• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:04
CET 13:04
KST 21:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!12$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Best Resume Writing Service in New Jersey for Care Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1732 users

[IEM] Toronto EU Qualifiers - Page 18

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
July 30 2014 18:11 GMT
#341
i never know if it's worth it for the zerg to suicide 10 banelings on PF.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 30 2014 18:13 GMT
#342
YoDa's so good at keeping his CCs alive or trading well at the cost of losing it.
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
July 30 2014 18:13 GMT
#343
The force is strong with Yoda today
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 30 2014 18:13 GMT
#344
Very solid play from YoDa in this qualifier!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 30 2014 18:14 GMT
#345
On July 31 2014 03:11 SoulCapsule wrote:
i never know if it's worth it for the zerg to suicide 10 banelings on PF.


Of course it's worth it. The mining that you stop is way more valuable to the Terran than the banelings are to the Zerg.

Obviously there are exceptions but in general it's always a good idea.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
July 30 2014 18:58 GMT
#346
On July 31 2014 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
Very solid play from YoDa in this qualifier!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Well, except for that ONE game...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 30 2014 19:18 GMT
#347
On July 31 2014 03:58 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
Very solid play from YoDa in this qualifier!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Well, except for that ONE game...


Let's just forget that game ever existed. I've played gold players who wouldn't fuck that up that hard
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 30 2014 19:26 GMT
#348
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
July 30 2014 19:44 GMT
#349
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.

Yeah it's almost not even Worth calling it a "European" qualifier when most of the people playing are Korean
I love hellbats
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 30 2014 19:56 GMT
#350
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 30 2014 20:38 GMT
#351
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?


Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 30 2014 20:48 GMT
#352
On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?


Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.


Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 30 2014 21:10 GMT
#353
On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?


Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.


Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.


My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament?
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
July 30 2014 21:21 GMT
#354
I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 30 2014 21:32 GMT
#355
On July 31 2014 06:10 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?


Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.


Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.


My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament?


I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more.

On July 31 2014 06:21 scypio wrote:
I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other.


Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.

Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
July 30 2014 21:47 GMT
#356
The people who qualified play in Europe. It'd be a pretty unfair thing to say that the Koreans who live in Europe should have to play the Korean qualifier just because they're Korean.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
July 30 2014 22:22 GMT
#357
On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.



Not a single meaningful individual tournament focuses on countries and it sucks. I don't give a damn about "top skills", I favour the olympic kind of sport with varied worldwide representation even thou it means leaving some talent at home.

Unfortunately SC2 has fallen prey to the "only skill matters" camp so you can relax and enjoy your Korean vs Korean all over the world.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 31 2014 18:46 GMT
#358
On July 31 2014 06:47 AWalker9 wrote:
The people who qualified play in Europe. It'd be a pretty unfair thing to say that the Koreans who live in Europe should have to play the Korean qualifier just because they're Korean.


Ok, so of two spots there could be one reserved for Europeans and one wild card qualifier for anyone that has 200 wins GM / Master on the ladder, no barcode names. That would give the ladder additional status and make for really interesting qualifiers as well.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
July 31 2014 19:05 GMT
#359
On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 06:10 BaneRiders wrote:
On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:
I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.


Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?


Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.


Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.


My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament?


1. I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more.

Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 06:21 scypio wrote:
I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other.


Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.



1. This argument is somehow valid as long as everyone has equal opportunities to practice and gain skills. As we have learned from players, this is not the case. Those based in Korea have far superior training possibilities, so they have an advantage over those that never or rarely practices / practiced in Korea. Now, the Europeans have improved a lot too nevertheless I think, and it is not unheard of that Europeans beat Koreans every now and then. Probably because there are more Koreans active on the ladder. Against this backdrop I think it is wrong to hand sweeter spots to Koreans in qualifiers and similar, and at the same time make the road tougher than necessary for the Europeans in a European qualifier. It must be very frustrating for all those players that work hard to improve or even survive as a progamer to see that so many invites and higher ranked qualifiers go to Koreans in European Tournaments / Qualifiers all the time. I think it is unfair myself and it certainly doesn't make the local heroes any better. They, I believe, need more exposure, not less, and let's be fair, it is easier to be fully concentrated and have a bit of luck in a few Bo3s compared to many Bo3s against tough opponents, and this is valid for all players, Europeans and Koreans alike.

Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Prev 1 16 17 18 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 70
CranKy Ducklings65
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 252
Reynor 211
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2150
GuemChi 2065
Jaedong 2031
Flash 910
firebathero 597
Pusan 426
Soma 253
Stork 253
Leta 247
Last 195
[ Show more ]
Hyun 180
Light 158
Snow 88
Killer 84
sSak 83
Rush 72
ToSsGirL 64
Barracks 62
ZerO 59
Mong 59
Backho 49
Shine 44
hero 38
JulyZerg 37
Sharp 35
Sea.KH 30
Movie 26
zelot 22
Noble 16
scan(afreeca) 11
Icarus 10
IntoTheRainbow 8
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma213
XcaliburYe207
Counter-Strike
zeus601
x6flipin583
oskar89
edward65
Other Games
summit1g15107
singsing1695
B2W.Neo421
crisheroes273
Happy156
XaKoH 131
Mew2King77
DeMusliM58
ZerO(Twitch)3
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL327
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV159
League of Legends
• Jankos2645
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
2h 56m
OSC
9h 56m
Replay Cast
10h 56m
OSC
23h 56m
LAN Event
1d 2h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 14h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 23h
LAN Event
2 days
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.