EPT[IEM] Toronto EU Qualifiers - Page 18
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SoulCapsule
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:11 SoulCapsule wrote: i never know if it's worth it for the zerg to suicide 10 banelings on PF. Of course it's worth it. The mining that you stop is way more valuable to the Terran than the banelings are to the Zerg. Obviously there are exceptions but in general it's always a good idea. | ||
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Foreverkul
United States1649 Posts
Well, except for that ONE game... | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Let's just forget that game ever existed. I've played gold players who wouldn't fuck that up that hard | ||
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BaneRiders
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote: I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Yeah it's almost not even Worth calling it a "European" qualifier when most of the people playing are Korean | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote: I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote: Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier. Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes. My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament? | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 31 2014 06:10 BaneRiders wrote: My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament? I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more. On July 31 2014 06:21 scypio wrote: I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other. Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean. Not a single meaningful individual tournament focuses on countries and it sucks. I don't give a damn about "top skills", I favour the olympic kind of sport with varied worldwide representation even thou it means leaving some talent at home. Unfortunately SC2 has fallen prey to the "only skill matters" camp so you can relax and enjoy your Korean vs Korean all over the world. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 31 2014 06:47 AWalker9 wrote: The people who qualified play in Europe. It'd be a pretty unfair thing to say that the Koreans who live in Europe should have to play the Korean qualifier just because they're Korean. Ok, so of two spots there could be one reserved for Europeans and one wild card qualifier for anyone that has 200 wins GM / Master on the ladder, no barcode names. That would give the ladder additional status and make for really interesting qualifiers as well.  | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: 1. I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more. Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean. 1. This argument is somehow valid as long as everyone has equal opportunities to practice and gain skills. As we have learned from players, this is not the case. Those based in Korea have far superior training possibilities, so they have an advantage over those that never or rarely practices / practiced in Korea. Now, the Europeans have improved a lot too nevertheless I think, and it is not unheard of that Europeans beat Koreans every now and then. Probably because there are more Koreans active on the ladder. Against this backdrop I think it is wrong to hand sweeter spots to Koreans in qualifiers and similar, and at the same time make the road tougher than necessary for the Europeans in a European qualifier. It must be very frustrating for all those players that work hard to improve or even survive as a progamer to see that so many invites and higher ranked qualifiers go to Koreans in European Tournaments / Qualifiers all the time. I think it is unfair myself and it certainly doesn't make the local heroes any better. They, I believe, need more exposure, not less, and let's be fair, it is easier to be fully concentrated and have a bit of luck in a few Bo3s compared to many Bo3s against tough opponents, and this is valid for all players, Europeans and Koreans alike. | ||
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