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With IEM Season 9 beginning in Shenzhen in July, it is time to decide who will represent Europe in the second event in Canada in August! This qualifier will send two from the European regional server to the event.
Qualifier Cup
Details
- You must have an active ESL Premium membership. More information here
- All games are played on Europe Stacraft 2 server regardless of location!
- Top 2 receive a spot in IEM Toronto
- You must be at least 16 years of age by August 27th 2014 ( the date of the LAN event)
- Hotel and flight cost are paid for in full by ESL.
SCHEDULE
Stage 1: Monday, Jul 28 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Stage 2: Wednesday, Jul 30 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
STAGE 1
Top 8 players will advance to Stage #2! (Up from 4!)
Signup Here: Signups
Check-in Here: Check-in
Bracket: Bracket
+ Show Spoiler [Mappool] +The map pool for the qualifiers will be the new WCS/ladder map pool released soon and will include the following maps:
Catallena LE
Deadwing LE
Foxtrot Labs LE
King Sejong Station LE
Nimbus LE
Overgrowth LE
Merry Go Round LE
+ Show Spoiler [Map Selection Rules] +Best of 3 in all rounds. Once the quarter finals round is reached the matches end, and the 8 players then move to stage #2.
A map veto (removal and pick) system is used. The high seeded player on the grid starts. Players take it in removing maps until only one remains in a best of 1 or until only 3 maps remain in a best of 3. Then each player picks a map. Maps are played in order they are picked. The remaining map is played last.
STAGE 2
Top 2 players qualify for event!
+ Show Spoiler [Seeded Players] +
Bracket: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/masters/season9_toronto_qualifier_day2/rankings/
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Map selection rules says 4 players advance to stage#2.
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France7248 Posts
the maps for WCS Season 3 were revealed, it can be updated too ^^
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Signup issue is fixed, maps are of course Season 3 maps.
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Tournament officially confirmed as Toronto (who would have thought!). If anyone can change the title of the thread please do!
First two stage 2 seeded players announced:
 HyuN
 MMA
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France7248 Posts
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Shame you need premium to have a try  Rootin' for MMA and Snute!
Messioso when can we expect any words about further IEM events this year? Im particularly interested in the IEM WC event 
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On July 28 2014 08:56 Scoobers wrote:Shame you need premium to have a try Rootin' for MMA and Snute! Messioso when can we expect any words about further IEM events this year? Im particularly interested in the IEM WC event
As and when the deals are signed.
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France7248 Posts
On July 29 2014 00:42 ionONE wrote:
who is streaming today?
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OMG if Grubby qualifies for this that would be SO HYPE
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On July 29 2014 01:19 TheDougler wrote:
OMG if Grubby qualifies for this that would be SO HYPE
Long way to go yet, if he survives this he will have to survive this filled with 8 from today.
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I miss Darkforce one of the first zergs with hardcore creep focus.
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France7248 Posts
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On July 29 2014 01:39 Yhamm wrote: Indy 2-0 Sjaak :|
Flash in the Pan-toss?
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On July 29 2014 01:39 Yhamm wrote:Indy 2-0 Sjaak :|
Sjaak lost in WCS qualifiers also to totally unknown players. Hype was too big.
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Beats ex CodeS players, constantly loses pvp to random highmaster/lowgm players. Not a race issue at all x)
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On July 29 2014 01:56 frozzz wrote:
Rapes ex CodeS players, constantly loses pvp to random highmaster/lowgm players. Not a race issue at all x)
Please don't use 'rape' in that context.
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sry,hopefully it's better now.
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oh man fantastic game 2 out of Nerchio vs Elazer
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France7248 Posts
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Wait so did ToD just forget that upgrades existed?
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On July 29 2014 02:11 frozzz wrote:
sry,hopefully it's better now.
Thanks 
Tod's upgradeless style is... interesting. He actually got a forge and never used it.
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On July 29 2014 02:21 Larkin wrote:Thanks Tod's upgradeless style is... interesting. He actually got a forge and never used it.
Upgrades schmupgrades 
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Strange to see Sase out that early, he was super good in the RB qualifiers yesterday.
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Miniraser 1:0 Nerchio after the latter one took a billion banes to his drones
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Miniraser 1:1 Nerchio, match point for qualifying to stage 2
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This game is quite funny. ToD reseting Namshars tech and reducing Namshars income all the time with warp prisms and ToD staying on 3 base for 27 minutes. Namshar has remade his lair/spires like 4 times? Currently 4 hatcheries on the production tab lol. DTs + warp prisms are the winners of this game.
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Bane wars ensue, Nerchio 2:1 Miniraser
Nerchio qualifies for Stage 2
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On July 29 2014 02:47 Zheryn wrote:
This game is quite funny. ToD reseting Namshars tech and reducing Namshars income all the time with warp prisms and ToD staying on 3 base for 27 minutes. Namshar has remade his lair/spires like 4 times? Currently 4 hatcheries on the production tab lol. DTs + warp prisms are the winners of this game.
It is weird. Rifkin has spent the last 20 minutes declaring his undying love to ToDs perfect game and dissing Namshar, and yet ToD lets Namshar get straight back to into the match when he could have closed it a long time ago.
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On July 29 2014 02:49 Ej_ wrote:
Bane wars ensue, Nerchio 2:1 Miniraser
Nerchio qualifies for Stage 2
Wooooooo
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Pleaaaaaase ToD go kill him so I can watch game 3.
Thank you Namshar for ending it!
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Oh God what a blunder of an engagement by Namshar
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Think Namshar actually has this
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Is stage 2 played today as well?
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Tod's going to be so happy about this
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On July 29 2014 03:23 Zheryn wrote:
Is stage 2 played today as well?
On wednesday.
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ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time.
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On July 29 2014 03:23 Zheryn wrote:
Is stage 2 played today as well?
No I think it will be later, or we'll be here all night. End Date for this qualifier is 2014-07-30 according to liquipedia.
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On July 29 2014 03:25 opisska wrote:
ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time.
Namshar casts for BasetradeTV and he just beat him.
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On July 29 2014 03:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 03:25 opisska wrote:
ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time. Namshar casts for BasetradeTV and he just beat him.
That's good point I should have said "no well-known caster". I have never seen much BasetradeTV, but they seem pretty cool (and Namsher is obviously ToD-level good, so any cast from him will be highly informative).
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On July 29 2014 03:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 03:25 opisska wrote:
ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time. Namshar casts for BasetradeTV and he just beat him.
ToD is in premier though, I'd rate him over Namshar, even with this result.
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On July 29 2014 03:30 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 03:27 Ej_ wrote:On July 29 2014 03:25 opisska wrote:
ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time. Namshar casts for BasetradeTV and he just beat him. ToD is in premier though, I'd rate him over Namshar, even with this result.
What I had in mind mainly was that the play in the game was actually good. I am often reluctant to watch "random" low-level foreigner tournaments because often games are decided by glaring mistakes or just played out weirdly and randomly and that's just not so much fun to watch - I tuned into this out of sheer boredom, but it turned out to be Premier-worthy gameplay on both sides.
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On July 29 2014 03:30 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2014 03:27 Ej_ wrote:On July 29 2014 03:25 opisska wrote:
ToD is actually still really good at SC2. I mean, there is no caster that could come even close to what he has shown today, he has great multitasking and mechanics and even though he lost, it was very close all the time. Namshar casts for BasetradeTV and he just beat him. ToD is in premier though, I'd rate him over Namshar, even with this result.
Namshar got into Challenger this season and he has a good shot at getting into premier.
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United States97276 Posts
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Good play by Socke in game 2 vs MarineLord. Very patient, very methodical.
I am sure he uses the F2 key, which is really bad (observers clump up), and he had a moment not that great when he had 16 templars and lost a bunch of them for free, but overall, super super solid. The constant zealot harassment was magnificent
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All the Koreans made it, and only First lost a game to a foreigner. Whats up First???
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MlorD is so unlucky. Every time he plays a qualifier he falls one step away from the qualifying round. He missed WCS Challenger so many times this way.
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On July 29 2014 03:50 Shellshock wrote:
Korea holds!
Surprise surprise!
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Namshar!
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France7248 Posts
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EDIT: Done, thanks
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Acer teamkill in stage 2 .
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Is the thread for the Canadian qualifier up yet?
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Not guaranteeing we follow this exactly, but if you want to influence what match we cast first tomorrow please check this link - http://strawpoll.me/2220938
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Updated with current broadcasters.
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On July 29 2014 04:00 Boucot wrote:
MlorD is so unlucky. Every time he plays a qualifier he falls one step away from the qualifying round. He missed WCS Challenger so many times this way.
Heromarine too. Always 1-2 at last series, always one map away.
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Looking at Snute vs Yoda, I really think hosts can become a more staple part of ZvT even vs bio. They were actually a plausible option before, if extremely map dependent. With the new mines, they can be very deadly against mass bio waved if you get infestors to support.
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Nice idea with the SH. But I don't think it's going to work when he's so far behind.
And vs a more drop aggressive player SH will be really hard to defend with.
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Missed the beginning, was it standard openers? If so, Yoda looking solid.
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On July 30 2014 21:26 DJHelium wrote:
Missed the beginning, was it standard openers? If so, Yoda looking solid.
I missed as well, but I was under the impression that Snute tried some roach aggression.
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that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/
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On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/
They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o
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On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o
typical German defending TakeTV!!!
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On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o
no, I wanted Golden Patience
they jumped on snute, and when snute was over they came back to golden patience, and it was already 1-1, so they missed the 2nd map entirely
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MC is streaming. Is it the match vs Socke or just ladder before it starts?
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On July 30 2014 21:32 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o no, I wanted Golden Patience they jumped on snute, and when snute was over they came back to golden patience, and it was already 1-1, so they missed the 2nd map entirely
well to their defense, narutO is not there atm. so yeah. they didn't handle it well, but on the other hand they are also missing the main caster
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I love that TakeTV covers two games, but I am German so I don't think my opinion counts  .
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On July 30 2014 21:32 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o no, I wanted Golden Patience they jumped on snute, and when snute was over they came back to golden patience, and it was already 1-1, so they missed the 2nd map entirely
Ah, didn't see that, that sucks then!
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On July 30 2014 21:26 DJHelium wrote:
Missed the beginning, was it standard openers? If so, Yoda looking solid.
Snute opened 20 Speedlings raid into third + 10 Roaches, then transitioned into standard.
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On July 30 2014 21:31 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o typical German defending TakeTV!!!
I'm English I just live in Germany :p
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On July 30 2014 21:33 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:32 Yhamm wrote:On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o no, I wanted Golden Patience they jumped on snute, and when snute was over they came back to golden patience, and it was already 1-1, so they missed the 2nd map entirely well to their defense, narutO is not there atm. so yeah. they didn't handle it well, but on the other hand they are also missing the main caster
Who needs NarutO, we get sick knowledge from pros .
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On July 30 2014 21:34 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:31 Ej_ wrote:On July 30 2014 21:29 messioso wrote:On July 30 2014 21:27 Yhamm wrote:
that's why I don't like TakeTV, jumping games, missing maps... so annoying :/ They have 1 main game, and fill downtime with another, how is that bad? If you wanted to watch YoDa vs Snute from the start you could watch a different stream :o typical German defending TakeTV!!! I'm English I just live in Germany :p
typical german defending himself
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lol snute ._. that engagement was sooo bad wtf
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It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch.
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Guess that was a 2-0 for Jjakji?
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Norway839 Posts
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i am sure nightend would have won prepatch
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On July 30 2014 21:40 Liquid`Snute wrote:
the subtle hint of frustration combined with rage
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On July 30 2014 21:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch.
ZvT is insanely hard right now, much harder than ZvP. Zergs will be losing badly for a while until some kind of stable build emerges.
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On July 30 2014 21:40 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Good luck in next match!
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On July 30 2014 21:40 Liquid`Snute wrote:
The Thor shots in game 1. T____________T
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Totally crap, WM are in need of a slight boost then. :D
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On July 30 2014 21:40 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Does the epic run through the lower bracket begin here?
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On July 30 2014 21:41 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch. ZvT is insanely hard right now, much harder than ZvP. Zergs will be losing hard for a while until some kind of stable build emerges.
Yes I know, I have 18 win rate this season. :D
But I'm glad that the matchup is shifting towards Terran (at least for some time).
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On July 30 2014 21:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch.
Nobody knows, getting used (again) to the widow mines is hard already, but the Thor change had a way bigger impact than expected. It will take some time, but zergs always bounce back eventually!
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On July 30 2014 21:40 Undead1993 wrote:i am sure nightend would have won prepatch
Couldn't have summed up my thoughts better.
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MMA 1 - 1 Nerchio
Edit: god damnit I will just stop now
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On July 30 2014 21:43 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch. Nobody knows, getting used (again) to the widow mines is hard already, but the Thor change had a way bigger impact than expected. It will take some time, but zergs always bounce back eventually!
The thor change is just a little too good imo, that unit really feels like it's balanced around being rather stupid. I'd really like to see that one rolled back, it makes a low-micro unit require even less and makes massing them insanely powerful.
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did someone just break liquipedia or is it me?
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On July 30 2014 21:41 Ej_ wrote:the subtle hint of frustration combined with rage
No, he just knows that now he will cruise through the loser bracket EZPZ like for Shenzhen :D
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On July 30 2014 21:47 Ej_ wrote:
did someone just break liquipedia or is it me?
how broken is it?
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On July 30 2014 21:45 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:43 Musicus wrote:On July 30 2014 21:39 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
It looks like Snute doesn't know how to play ZvT after the patch. Nobody knows, getting used (again) to the widow mines is hard already, but the Thor change had a way bigger impact than expected. It will take some time, but zergs always bounce back eventually! The thor change is just a little too good imo, that unit really feels like it's balanced around being rather stupid. I'd really like to see that one rolled back, it makes a low-micro unit require even less and makes massing them insanely powerful.
Hm I would agree, but contrary to Protoss, I think it'S okay to reduce the micro burden on the Terran a little bit. Splitting marines vs banelings, securing your medivacs, unborrowing/borrowing/targeting widow mines etc..., who can target fire his Thors in the midst of that? I would like to see this play out, I think zerg player's micro will improve drasitcally, be it splitting ling/bane vs mines or microing mutas more carefully vs the Thors. Hell it might take 6 months, but I think it will be great.
One a move unit in the super micro intensive Terran army is okay imo.
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ZvP first 10min is so terribly bad designed. I hope for big changes in LotV.
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that korean hold, impressive
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On July 30 2014 21:51 Dingodile wrote:
ZvP first 10min is so terribly bad designed. I hope for big changes in LotV.
XvP really . Everbody wants that Protoss workover. Khaldor talked about it yesteday, every Protoss pro he asked agreed.
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Any news on Sacsri vs Vortix?
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On July 30 2014 21:51 Dingodile wrote:
ZvP first 10min is so terribly bad designed. I hope for big changes in LotV.
You don't like listening to casters talk about what they had for breakfast or ruminate about the latest reddit-drama because absolutely nothing happens until both players have 3 bases, unless someone cheeses?
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On July 30 2014 21:53 ppp wrote:
Any news on Sacsri vs Vortix?
Sacsri 2-1 VortiX
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Nerchio going ling-bane-infestor?
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On July 30 2014 21:54 Ej_ wrote:
Nerchio going ling-bane-infestor?
He is!
Not sure how effective it will be, given how MMA wrecked TLO.
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On July 30 2014 21:55 messioso wrote:Socke 2 - 1 MC
nooooo mc messed up the perfect korean hold
i guess mma is also still able to mess it up
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Nerchio always plays his own stuff, nobody plays like him. I love it.
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Nice hold from our terran GSL champ!
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welp, Nerchio vs Snute incoming in the lower bracket
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Wow, those Ultras needed forever to build.
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On July 30 2014 21:54 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 21:51 Dingodile wrote:
ZvP first 10min is so terribly bad designed. I hope for big changes in LotV. You don't like listening to casters talk about what they had for breakfast or ruminate about the latest reddit-drama because absolutely nothing happens until both players have 3 bases, unless someone cheeses?
I am not familiar with reddit and I dont like to hear something because I like silent environment. Link to reddit plz.
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On July 30 2014 21:58 Undead1993 wrote:
omg nerchio gets rekt
I really think he had a good shot, had he gone for mutas T-T.
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On July 30 2014 21:59 Musicus wrote:
Wow, those Ultras needed forever to build.
The current map pool and buffed terran is pretty much impossible to win straight up
On July 30 2014 22:00 Ej_ wrote:I really think he had a good shot, had he gone for mutas T-T.
There is no 4th on this map because its in the center of the map so you expand towards the terran which is auto-loss if they manage to get planetary on their on 4th.
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Will the real German please stand up?
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that professional attitude
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10 SCVs, let's see what those mules can do.
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On July 30 2014 22:00 Undead1993 wrote:that professional attitude
Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments...
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On July 30 2014 22:01 TheDwf wrote:Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments...
At least they play on the EU ladder, NA is still way worse off.
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On July 30 2014 22:01 TheDwf wrote:Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments...
of course not but i still don't like this stuff from a pro player, it's similar to expect blizzard to fix a matchup instead of trying to find a way on your own
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On July 30 2014 22:02 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:01 TheDwf wrote:On July 30 2014 22:00 Undead1993 wrote:that professional attitude Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments... At least they play on the EU ladder, NA is still way worse off.
NA players get wellfare qualifiers into the main tournament though.
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On July 30 2014 22:02 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:01 TheDwf wrote:On July 30 2014 22:00 Undead1993 wrote:that professional attitude Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments... At least they play on the EU ladder, NA is still way worse off.
NA has only viOLet and Polt playing their IEM qualifiers, EU has 9 koreans here.
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On July 30 2014 22:05 Yhamm wrote:spoiler! it's on stream
My bad! Didn't know anyone was in it
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If only Time Warp had not been nerfed.
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On July 30 2014 22:05 Yhamm wrote:spoiler! it's on stream
Makes me feel all superior over then non-TL viewership that messioso is spoiling the results for us, although he likes to do it on Twitter too .
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On July 30 2014 22:06 messioso wrote:My bad! Didn't know anyone was in it
np, just messing with you =) (still, spoiler!)
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On July 30 2014 22:09 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:02 Undead1993 wrote:On July 30 2014 22:01 TheDwf wrote:On July 30 2014 22:00 Undead1993 wrote:that professional attitude Can't expect EU players to be happy that KR players are slowly taking all the slots in EU tournaments... of course not but i still don't like this stuff from a pro player, it's similar to expect blizzard to fix a matchup instead of trying to find a way on your own The combination of this and the person you're replying to made me giggle. Thanks :3 There really isn't any reason to complain though. The rules say that you have to reside in either Europe or Africa and all those Korean players do. They help raise the upper skill level of the EU server by practicing on it. Vortix just needs to train harder.
I think there is a difference between a reasonable complain and an understandable complain. I think Vortix' complain is understandable, but not reasonable.
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Rifkin's fake snarky voice has got to be one of he most irritating sounds I've ever heard. I can feel my eye twitching every time.
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Wtf, jjakji playing sloppy
edit: doesn't matter, so far ahead in army supply!
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On July 30 2014 22:13 Squat wrote:
Rifkin's fake snarky voice has got to be one of he most irritating sounds I've ever heard. I can feel my eye twitching every time.
+ Show Spoiler +
Mystery solved.
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I dont understand this game anymore
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Sacsri doing the moron magnet!
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KYLE! ITS A RETARD MAGNET!
And he blows up all his SCVs with a mine, holy shit that was like a double orgasm in less than 1 minute.
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jjakji didn't believe in a thing called roach
Time to crush the LB!
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who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds...
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On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds...
seeding make bracket
it happens that Koreans have better seeds than non-korean
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On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds...
Illuminati
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On July 30 2014 22:26 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds... Illuminati
Mr Chae is everywhere
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The brackets were seeded straight from WCS points. It's just fate with regards to Koreans matching up against foreigners.
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On July 30 2014 22:26 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds... seeding make bracket it happens that Koreans have better seeds than non-korean
what are the seeds based on?
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On July 30 2014 22:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:26 Yhamm wrote:On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds... seeding make bracket it happens that Koreans have better seeds than non-korean what are the seeds based on?
WCS points I think
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On July 30 2014 22:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:26 Yhamm wrote:On July 30 2014 22:24 sharkie wrote:
who makes these brackets all the time?
Koreans never have to face each other in early rounds... seeding make bracket it happens that Koreans have better seeds than non-korean what are the seeds based on?
On July 30 2014 22:28 messioso wrote:
The brackets were seeded straight from WCS points. It's just fate with regards to Koreans matching up against foreigners.
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I will enjoy Hasu casting so much .
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Why does esl official stream have 700 viewers?
nvm looks like they haven't streamed a match yet
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On July 30 2014 22:39 Zheryn wrote:
Why does esl official stream have 700 viewers?
Because it only just went online?
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Good morning everyone. Any streams showing Snute/Nerchio? I'd be interested to see if Nerchio can close that one out.
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On July 30 2014 22:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Good morning everyone. Any streams showing Snute/Nerchio? I'd be interested to see if Nerchio can close that one out.
Polish stream has it on.
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On July 30 2014 22:43 messioso wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 22:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Good morning everyone. Any streams showing Snute/Nerchio? I'd be interested to see if Nerchio can close that one out. Polish stream has it on.
Makes sense I suppose.Thanks
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Nerchio forgetting glial T-T
e: gtting it now!
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what is it about socke that makes Mc lose to him 1-2 every time? :S
edit: don't say he's a protoss ._.
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Wow MC tried to snipe an obs vs Patience with a tempest. He fired of the shot, but lost his observer as the plasma ball was in the air... So it didn't hit. Who knew!
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wtf why are there 4 streams of Sacsri vs First and 2 streams of Snute vs NErchio. I wanna watch Welmu -__-
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Did anyone see MMA vs Yoda? How come Yoda ended up 2:0 ?
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Poor Nerchio, forget one upgrade and take one bad fight and all of a sudden snute is up 5k bank on you. He was dead for such a long time there , painful
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Austria24417 Posts
Yoda seems to be improving again, nice to see
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5 streams for Sacsri-First, no stream for MMA-VortiX :[
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Immortal/Sentry allin still makes my blood boil a little bit...
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Guys don't forget that casters usually jump into the first games available, so that's why games get missed.
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On July 30 2014 23:07 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Foxtrot is a weird map.
It's a horrible map. It only plays out standard in PvT (unless they go mech). For all other matchups it seems really bad. (Idk about TvT)
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On July 30 2014 23:08 messioso wrote:
Guys don't forget that casters usually jump into the first games available, so that's why games get missed.
But when they see that there are already 3 or 4 casters in the lobby, why don't they wait for another one ?
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Yay it's a rotti commercial!
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Greedy zergs are best zergs
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Northern Ireland280 Posts
On July 30 2014 23:09 Mozdk wrote:It's a horrible map. It only plays out standard in PvT (unless they go mech). For all other matchups it seems really bad. (Idk about TvT)
It's also so dark its impossible to see anything heh.
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HAHAHA that Rotti commercial, how have I not seen that before ?
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On July 30 2014 23:11 Strela wrote:
Greedy zergs are best zergs
Until they get cheesed
On July 30 2014 23:12 Tzyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:09 Mozdk wrote:On July 30 2014 23:07 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Foxtrot is a weird map. It's a horrible map. It only plays out standard in PvT (unless they go mech). For all other matchups it seems really bad. (Idk about TvT) It's also so dark its impossible to see anything heh.
Honestly, the worst part of that map is the aesthetic. I actually like it now that it has reasonable spawns, it just looks so ugly
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Northern Ireland280 Posts
On July 30 2014 23:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Until they get cheesed Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:12 Tzyx wrote:On July 30 2014 23:09 Mozdk wrote:On July 30 2014 23:07 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Foxtrot is a weird map. It's a horrible map. It only plays out standard in PvT (unless they go mech). For all other matchups it seems really bad. (Idk about TvT) It's also so dark its impossible to see anything heh. Honestly, the worst part of that map is the aesthetic. I actually like it now that it has reasonable spawns, it just looks so ugly
Yeah. It needs some street lights
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Yeah this pretty much exactly what I feared, ZvT is back to endless 4M rally parade pushes. Urk.
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On July 30 2014 23:19 Squat wrote:
Yeah this pretty much exactly what I feared, ZvT is back to endless 4M rally parade pushes. Urk.
Please. He lost 31 drones to 6 Hellions raid...
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On July 30 2014 23:19 Squat wrote:
Yeah this pretty much exactly what I feared, ZvT is back to endless 4M rally parade pushes. Urk.
Not better than mass banelings into amove...
Even Snute at one point said ZvT has become imba.
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On July 30 2014 23:20 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:19 Squat wrote:
Yeah this pretty much exactly what I feared, ZvT is back to endless 4M rally parade pushes. Urk. Please. He lost 31 drones to 6 Hellions raid...
and he actually stayed in the game for quite some times... despite losing that much drones.
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Yoda gonna do a BC switch. Or raven.
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jjakji with the Korea Health Care strategy.
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That was suprisingly bad for Golden, I thought that battle would be much closer
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On July 30 2014 22:39 Zheryn wrote:
Why does esl official stream have 700 viewers?
nvm looks like they haven't streamed a match yet
You can't expect them to have a fanbase like Winter's, only him can get 3000 viewers 10s after launching his stream.
huehuehue.
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Just tuned in to jjakji snute. Wtf muta bane SH? :D
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That SH strategy by Snute is just not working at all...
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On July 30 2014 23:37 Big J wrote:
That SH strategy by Snute is just not working at all...
It's okay until Jjakji build Thors.
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On July 30 2014 23:36 Zheryn wrote:
Just tuned in to jjakji snute. Wtf muta bane SH? :D
I saw that a couple of time recently on SuNo and ForGG stream. Looks not bad in theory.
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On July 30 2014 23:37 Big J wrote:
That SH strategy by Snute is just not working at all...
Don't know why hes so stubborn to keep trying it.
edit: or maybe its somewhat working now lol?
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Northern Ireland280 Posts
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Jjajki should be more drop focused imo
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On July 30 2014 23:42 ETisME wrote:
Jjajki should be more drop focused imo
Yea fighting it head on doesn't seem to be profitable.
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why isn't jjakji dropping at all? all mutas are defending the hosts
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Jjakji, please just move your army away from SH and into Snutes base....
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Maybe some Infestors would help this style a bit...but the gas cost may be too high.
I guess in thoery this counters heavy widow mine play. Not sure why jjakji isn't just doom dropping and running when SH re-position tho
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On July 30 2014 23:43 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Jjakji, please just move your army away from SH and into Snutes base....
Or just keep fighting locusts for 10 minutes until you lose =)) Embarassing loss.
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On July 30 2014 23:43 Ej_ wrote:
why isn't jjakji dropping at all? all mutas are defending the hosts
he doesnt have the units to do damage XD
All his supply in medivacs!
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Jjakji is playing horribly.
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On July 30 2014 23:45 Code wrote:
Maybe some Infestors would help this style a bit...but the gas cost may be too high.
I guess in thoery this counter heavy widow mine play. Not sure why jjakji isn't just doom dropping and running when SH re-position tho
Hard to doom drop vs a million mutas.
Cool style from Snute!
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Oh, wow, just tuned in. I love seeing Marines die to locusts.
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Just tuning in. This is a pretty neat strategy from Snute! must be annoying as hell to play against though. Using the SH to zone out the army and the muta ball to whittle him down. Makes for a pretty fun watch tho! (If you're a fan of zerg playing at least).
Edit: And yeah Code, no way you can drop against that muta ball, especially with the vision Snute has with overlords and creep.
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Funny game, glad to see snute winning one .
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On July 30 2014 23:47 TheDougler wrote:
Just tuning in. This is a pretty neat strategy from Snute! must be annoying as hell to play against though. Using the SH to zone out the army and the muta ball to whittle him down. Makes for a pretty fun watch tho! (If you're a fan of zerg playing at least).
Edit: And yeah Code, no way you can drop against that muta ball, especially with the vision Snute has with overlords and creep.
It's more like a stupid way for Jjakji to play. He could have go around and just win but "nah better fight locust for 20min".
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well looks like Terran needs another buff vs SH
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Yoda killing it right now, but he hasn't played a protoss yet. Let's see how well this goes.
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Snute paying homage to Zenio.
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This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL.
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On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL.
The greatest thing ever = NASL?
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On July 30 2014 23:55 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL. The greatest thing ever = NASL?
They're both hilariously bad
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On July 30 2014 23:55 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL. The greatest thing ever = NASL?
I miss Frodan awkwardly molesting some model in yoga pants on stream, especially with that random dog making a guest appearance.
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On July 30 2014 23:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:55 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL. The greatest thing ever = NASL? They're both hilariously bad
Come on man, NASL got to be pretty amazing in the last two seasons of it.
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On July 30 2014 23:57 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:55 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL. The greatest thing ever = NASL? I miss Frodan awkwardly molesting some model in yoga pants on stream, especially with that random dog making a guest appearance.
Chase was the dog.
Know your e-sports bro!
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On July 30 2014 23:57 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 23:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 30 2014 23:55 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On July 30 2014 23:50 Amestir wrote:
This Rotterdam commercial is the greatest thing ever. Reminds me of NASL. The greatest thing ever = NASL? They're both hilariously bad Come on man, NASL got to be pretty amazing in the last two seasons of it.
ya, that was right around that time where I completely stopped watching I only remember season 1
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OMG that widow mine just demolished all the workers at that base.
Also, former IM players just going beast mode this qualifier it seems.
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Weird build from Snute tho.
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Poor snute
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Yay nice! We get to see HyuN vs jjakji. Will be interesting to see if HyuN is going to win all games with his roach strat like at seatstory cup.
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On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba
That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p
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the drones were stacked, so dont blame the patch on that
Just mismicro from Snute
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On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p
Buff didn't change anything tho.
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On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p
A bit unfortunate for Snute that it didn't trigger earlier during the engagement. Having a widow mine left over like that doesn't happen very often.
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And now it will turn out that Widow mine is imba against zerg and every terran will go ''Nah aiint imba its skill terran players just better''
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On July 31 2014 00:05 sharkie wrote:
the drones were stacked, so dont blame the patch on that
Just mismicro from Snute
For sure. Snute's gonna be kicking himself for that one. Kind of wanted to see him at IEM too...
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Nice to see old TvZ back, where a single Widow Mine can decide games.
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On July 31 2014 00:06 Varroth wrote:
And now it will turn out that Widow mine is imba against zerg and every terran will go ''Nah aiint imba its skill terran players just better''
What makes you say that?
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On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho.
Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units
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On July 31 2014 00:06 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:06 Varroth wrote:
And now it will turn out that Widow mine is imba against zerg and every terran will go ''Nah aiint imba its skill terran players just better'' What makes you say that?
Because of the amount of people that went ''terran players just better'' everytime that terran has been imba
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On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units
And with the old widow mine he would have killed 15 workers as well.
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On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units
Not in that situation. He stacked drones near a widow mine. Splash didn't matter there, he would have lost them either way basically
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On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units
Any Mine would have killed those 15
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On July 31 2014 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units Not in that situation. He stacked drones near a widow mine. Splash didn't matter there, he would have lost them either way basically
Thought he meant that Snute had already lost before the Widow mine that killed the 15 workers
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On July 31 2014 00:06 Varroth wrote:
And now it will turn out that Widow mine is imba against zerg and every terran will go ''Nah aiint imba its skill terran players just better''
Baneling is also imba if you dont split your marines.
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On July 31 2014 00:09 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units Not in that situation. He stacked drones near a widow mine. Splash didn't matter there, he would have lost them either way basically Thought he meant that Snute had already lost before the Widow mine that killed the 15 workers
He was in a bad situation from the failed roach push, but he was far from dead. He did have 80ish drones and 4 hatch.
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Is HyuN - jjakji streamed somewhere or is it delayed for any reason?
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Norway839 Posts
the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now
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On July 31 2014 00:18 Zheryn wrote:
Is HyuN - jjakji streamed somewhere or is it delayed for any reason?
Probably on BasetradeTV.
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On July 31 2014 00:18 Liquid`Snute wrote:the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now
Do you think the SH-muta style will be the standard style vs bio-mine?
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On July 31 2014 00:18 Liquid`Snute wrote:the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now
A little more difficult too though, right? :p
But I agree for the most part, it's mixing things up for sure.
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On July 31 2014 00:18 Liquid`Snute wrote:the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now
Never thought I would ever say this but your play with swarm host was interesting to see.
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On July 31 2014 00:18 Liquid`Snute wrote:the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now
You are so awesome Snute. Don't give up!
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On July 31 2014 00:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:09 Varroth wrote:On July 31 2014 00:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:07 Varroth wrote:On July 31 2014 00:05 Faust852 wrote:On July 31 2014 00:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 00:03 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji imba That Widow Mine imba perhaps :p Buff didn't change anything tho. Yeah it did he had 80 drones ish on 4 bases with good upgrades and he loses 15 of those he went down to 65 remaked 20 of those otherwise he'll be behind on eco and because of that he doesnt have minerals or larva for units Not in that situation. He stacked drones near a widow mine. Splash didn't matter there, he would have lost them either way basically Thought he meant that Snute had already lost before the Widow mine that killed the 15 workers He was in a bad situation from the failed roach push, but he was far from dead. He did have 80ish drones and 4 hatch.
Whatever, he lost his 3rd when Jjakji only had 2 WMs, one died directly without burrowing, the 2nd killed 15 stacked drones, so patch or not, same result.
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On July 31 2014 00:21 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:18 Liquid`Snute wrote:the patch is fine guys personally i think zvt is more interesting and fun to play now You are so awesome Snute. Don't give up!
Still best foreigner I'd say, just needs a little bit of time too adjust to the changes (most zergs do really)
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jjakji has no upgrades, no way he's holding a 2-2 attack.
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On July 31 2014 00:29 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji has no upgrades, no way he's holding a 2-2 attack.
Yeah 2-2 vs 0-0 pretty brutal :D
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A bit of a throw by Yoda. I hope this doesn't throw him off his game now.
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On July 31 2014 00:30 Zheryn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:29 DJHelium wrote:
jjakji has no upgrades, no way he's holding a 2-2 attack. Yeah 2-2 vs 0-0 pretty brutal :D
I don't get how jjakji took so much damage from the roach timing. He had full map control off of creep, should've seen it coming and had SCVs repairing as HyuN hit.
Well, time for a comeback!
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haha
jjakji should have watched WCS AM
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HyuN is trying to play everything at once, 1/1 roach timing, speedroach/speedbane, muta/ling/bane
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Austria24417 Posts
What an incredibly dumb game D:
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Yoda manages to out throw! What a stupid game, so many mistakes on both sides.
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Sacsri vs MMA pretty good
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You cannot convince me that game 3 YODA v First was not bullshit.
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jjakji is HyuNimpressed by the tricky zerg play!
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 31 2014 00:51 Foreverkul wrote:
You cannot convince me that game 3 YODA v First was not bullshit.
Depends on what you mean
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This 13 pool timing is so weird, it's just late enough to not deny a CC first. Had it been like 12 pool he could probably arrive before the CC is finished and if he could get a cancel on it that's pretty much gg right there.
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On July 31 2014 00:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:51 Foreverkul wrote:
You cannot convince me that game 3 YODA v First was not bullshit. Depends on what you mean
All of it, especially the end.
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Austria24417 Posts
On July 31 2014 00:59 Foreverkul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 00:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 31 2014 00:51 Foreverkul wrote:
You cannot convince me that game 3 YODA v First was not bullshit. Depends on what you mean All of it, especially the end.
It was a really, really dumb game. Should've been a draw since nobody really deserved that
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No combat shields done vs 2-2 timing, this could be bad
edit: CS done, please hold jjakji!
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I love watching HyuN play ZvT. Pretty much the only player that will get me inspired to play ZvT :D
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Damnit
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That 2/2 roach hydra timing xD pretty strong.
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Rotti...pls!
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Clutch as the narrator in the Intel commercial?
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What dark magic is this? I can actually see something in a Foxtrot game?
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Ouch, MMA letting those lings stroll on in, but the reapers are doing work so it's not so bad.
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"What was that? WOHO!" :D
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MMA is going full terran
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Dont think i've ever seen a pro game where roach hydra wins vs mech
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MMA is doing the MVP drop from the Redbull qualifier.
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Should't MMA start adding Ghosts?
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On July 31 2014 02:01 CruelZeratul wrote:
Should't MMA start adding Ghosts?
Ghosts are not used with mech vs Zerg.
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Dang, mech is pretty sick on Foxtrot Labs xD gonna have to give mech TvZ another try on that map.
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On July 31 2014 02:02 TheDwf wrote:Ghosts are not used with mech vs Zerg.
Seems like a missed opportunity. Getting rid of a few of those Vipers would make the tanklines even stronger.
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On July 31 2014 02:02 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Dang, mech is pretty sick on Foxtrot Labs xD gonna have to give mech TvZ another try on that map.
Be warned that it may have another face when you're not ahead from the opening.
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On July 31 2014 02:03 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:02 TheDwf wrote:On July 31 2014 02:01 CruelZeratul wrote:
Should't MMA start adding Ghosts? Ghosts are not used with mech vs Zerg. Seems like a missed opportunity. Getting rid of a few of those Vipers would make the tanklines even stronger.
Vikings are superior. You already have the infrastructure to produce them, you have the upgrades and they have other uses (fighting mutas, hunting overs, landing them to fight or harass mineral lines).
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What a bad game from MMA. Starting stim at 10 mins lol.
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Good to see that the EU qualifier is producing some good Koreans for the tournament.
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What was that...? lol MMA, that timing for a bio switch was terrible xD
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HyuN has gone either 13pool or 15hatch 14pool all games today and 2 days ago. He's building up his table image to not get 2raxed anytime soon :D
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MMA's macro is soemwhat dodgy
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Beautiful play by HyuN! It's so impressive to see him making roach hydra work against different kind of openers.
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I laugh everytime someone tells me Roach/Hydra is awful.
It's a powerful style early-mid game vs T.
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Daymn, and he's just able to almost max out again on roach hydra viper with 3/3 on 3 bases.
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On July 31 2014 02:28 SniXSniPe wrote:
I laugh everytime someone tells me Roach/Hydra is awful.
It's a powerful style early-mid game vs T.
super powerful even :D
that push well executed is so hard to defend
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This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta.
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On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta.
Terrans are probably going to go quicker medivacs and more marauder heavy and just not let the attack hit them even. Can't really move out when opponent has medivacs and you're on roach only.
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Oh wow, hadn't seen that particular bit of Rotti acting.
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On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta.
Pure bio is considerably superior, yes. Tanks are of little/no use.
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On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta.
The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors.
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On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors.
You wonder why players weren't shift targeting mutas with their Thors before.
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On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors.
Yeah, I've actually been very surprised at how much of an impact the Thor targeting change has had. When it was first suggested, I thought "meh", but I didn't realize they would actually initialize AA targeting at max range (which is pretty far).
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On July 31 2014 02:45 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors. You wonder why players weren't shift targeting mutas with their Thors before.
Too busy microing other uniits I guess.
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On July 31 2014 02:45 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors. You wonder why players weren't shift targeting mutas with their Thors before.
Some were, but there are too many tasks to perform this constantly and you cannot reassign the target each time the Thor decides to overkill that juicy Zergling.
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I missed the last game, did MMA win the series?
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On July 31 2014 02:47 CakeSauc3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors. Yeah, I've actually been very surprised at how much of an impact the Thor targeting change has had. When it was first suggested, I thought "meh", but I didn't realize they would actually initialize AA targeting at max range (which is pretty far).
It's pretty crazy now, I almost wouldn't mind seeing a very slight thor AA range nerf, just from like 10 to 9 or something
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On July 31 2014 02:49 StarMoon wrote:
I missed the last game, did MMA win the series?
nope
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On July 31 2014 02:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:49 StarMoon wrote:
I missed the last game, did MMA win the series? nope
Thanks.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Who's casting with Apollo on main stream?
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On July 31 2014 02:51 Jimmeh wrote:
Who's casting with Apollo on main stream?
hasuobs
don't ask me why though
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Thor change is perfectly fine and makes sense.
But I think they should have let this play out for a few weeks before buffing mines at the same time...
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On July 31 2014 02:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:45 Larkin wrote:On July 31 2014 02:37 Foreverkul wrote:On July 31 2014 02:32 CakeSauc3 wrote:
This roach hydra play is impressive. I feel like the bio+tanks didn't work out so well. Pure mech did alright. Would pure bio work? Have a feeling we'll be seeing this more of this soon, since the widow mine buff might be scaring Zerg out of ling+bling+muta. The Thor targeting has a bigger impact than the widow mine. It's the mutas that are killer. Mutas can snipe mines, can't snipe Thors. You wonder why players weren't shift targeting mutas with their Thors before. Some were, but there are too many tasks to perform this constantly and you cannot reassign the target each time the Thor decides to overkill that juicy Zergling.
I think that's where the change should have been made. A targeting system rather than just free micro.
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On July 31 2014 02:54 sharkie wrote:
Thor change is perfectly fine and makes sense.
But I think they should have let this play out for a few weeks before buffing mines at the same time...
Almost everyone thought the thor change would only have a very minor effect, and most people were complaining that Blizzard wasn't changing things fast enough as is, so... Its just the cycle of balance.
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On July 31 2014 02:53 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:51 Jimmeh wrote:
Who's casting with Apollo on main stream? hasuobs don't ask me why though
Why?
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How the hell did Yoda know HyuN had switched his tech when he didn't see ling speed and no bane nest or spire?
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On July 31 2014 03:06 Zheryn wrote:
How the hell did Yoda know HyuN had switched his tech when he didn't see ling speed and no bane nest or spire?
The Force, young Padawan, the Force.
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On July 31 2014 03:05 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 02:53 Undead1993 wrote:On July 31 2014 02:51 Jimmeh wrote:
Who's casting with Apollo on main stream? hasuobs don't ask me why though Why?
i don't knoooooooooooooooooooooow
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On July 31 2014 03:06 Zheryn wrote:
How the hell did Yoda know HyuN had switched his tech when he didn't see ling speed and no bane nest or spire?
Maybe from the lack of heavy roach presence at that point? If he know HyuN's style well that might be a tell.
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On July 31 2014 03:08 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:05 D-light wrote:On July 31 2014 02:53 Undead1993 wrote:On July 31 2014 02:51 Jimmeh wrote:
Who's casting with Apollo on main stream? hasuobs don't ask me why though Why? i don't knoooooooooooooooooooooow
Kaelaris is on vacation, Apollo needed someone not to cast alone
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i never know if it's worth it for the zerg to suicide 10 banelings on PF.
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YoDa's so good at keeping his CCs alive or trading well at the cost of losing it.
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The force is strong with Yoda today
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On July 31 2014 03:11 SoulCapsule wrote:
i never know if it's worth it for the zerg to suicide 10 banelings on PF.
Of course it's worth it. The mining that you stop is way more valuable to the Terran than the banelings are to the Zerg.
Obviously there are exceptions but in general it's always a good idea.
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On July 31 2014 03:13 TheDwf wrote:Very solid play from YoDa in this qualifier! + Show Spoiler +
Well, except for that ONE game...
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On July 31 2014 03:58 Foreverkul wrote:Well, except for that ONE game...
Let's just forget that game ever existed. I've played gold players who wouldn't fuck that up that hard
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I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.
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On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.
Yeah it's almost not even Worth calling it a "European" qualifier when most of the people playing are Korean
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On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation.
Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?
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On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game?
Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.
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On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier.
Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.
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On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier. Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes.
My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament?
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I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other.
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On July 31 2014 06:10 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier. Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes. My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament?
I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more.
On July 31 2014 06:21 scypio wrote:
I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other.
Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.
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The people who qualified play in Europe. It'd be a pretty unfair thing to say that the Koreans who live in Europe should have to play the Korean qualifier just because they're Korean.
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On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.
Not a single meaningful individual tournament focuses on countries and it sucks. I don't give a damn about "top skills", I favour the olympic kind of sport with varied worldwide representation even thou it means leaving some talent at home.
Unfortunately SC2 has fallen prey to the "only skill matters" camp so you can relax and enjoy your Korean vs Korean all over the world.
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On July 31 2014 06:47 AWalker9 wrote:
The people who qualified play in Europe. It'd be a pretty unfair thing to say that the Koreans who live in Europe should have to play the Korean qualifier just because they're Korean.
Ok, so of two spots there could be one reserved for Europeans and one wild card qualifier for anyone that has 200 wins GM / Master on the ladder, no barcode names. That would give the ladder additional status and make for really interesting qualifiers as well.
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On July 31 2014 06:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:10 BaneRiders wrote:On July 31 2014 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:On July 31 2014 04:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 31 2014 04:26 BaneRiders wrote:I dunno, I find it depressing that no Europeans will be represented in Toronto, and as such my interest in the whole event dips. Congrats to First and Yoda for fighting all the way through the qualifier stage one, proving that there really is no need to invite 5 Koreans to stage 2 of the European qualifier in any of these type of qualifiers. Give such slots to local heroes instead please. Thank you very much for your understanding and cooperation. Perhaps European players just need to step up their game? Yeah, like the Canadians in the Canadian qualifier. Like the free qualifier for every host country at IEM, yes. My point precisely. It is depressing not to have any representation in the tournament. The home crowd want some local heroes, hence a free qualifier or however you want to put it. Guess what, the same applies to people elsewhere too, who might not actually be able to come to this great event because it is a bit far away, but nevertheless might have been interested in watching it online. So yeah, let's have some Europeans in the European qualifier. Would be cool. Surely IEM can afford the hype of an extra couple of foreigners in the tournament? 1. I suppose they could, but why rob a potential spot from a player who deserved it more? I do understand what you are saying though, and I am the same way. I enjoy watching Canadians do well and want more representation, but if that is to happen the Canadian players need to get better, not be handed more easier spots. Nothing will improve then and it doesn't make it more interesting for me. I want to see my country men (and women) get better, not simply see them more. Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 06:21 scypio wrote:
I'm with you BaneRiders, having no foreign hope sucks. I guess Nation Wars is the last tournament that focuses on players from different countries competing with each other. Why must a individual tournament like this focus on countries? If you prefer nation wars style competition that's great and I hope we do see more of it, but this type of tournament is about individual players and I (and IEM to an extent I would think) prefer to see the highest level of competition possible, even if that means it's 99% Korean.
1. This argument is somehow valid as long as everyone has equal opportunities to practice and gain skills. As we have learned from players, this is not the case. Those based in Korea have far superior training possibilities, so they have an advantage over those that never or rarely practices / practiced in Korea. Now, the Europeans have improved a lot too nevertheless I think, and it is not unheard of that Europeans beat Koreans every now and then. Probably because there are more Koreans active on the ladder. Against this backdrop I think it is wrong to hand sweeter spots to Koreans in qualifiers and similar, and at the same time make the road tougher than necessary for the Europeans in a European qualifier. It must be very frustrating for all those players that work hard to improve or even survive as a progamer to see that so many invites and higher ranked qualifiers go to Koreans in European Tournaments / Qualifiers all the time. I think it is unfair myself and it certainly doesn't make the local heroes any better. They, I believe, need more exposure, not less, and let's be fair, it is easier to be fully concentrated and have a bit of luck in a few Bo3s compared to many Bo3s against tough opponents, and this is valid for all players, Europeans and Koreans alike.
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