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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:50 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me. yep, and the casters, without fail, will downplay the achievements of a korean player in favour of hyping the foreigner. I like when people support their favorite players for their playstyle rather than because they're from a certain country.
It's really not anti-Korean as much as it is Pro-underdog. And if a caster goes into a match saying how it is likely that a foreigner is going to get stomped by any Korean they face then it's depressing and takes the fun out of it.
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On June 23 2014 07:51 NoGasfOu wrote:
I need to drive out and get food. Anyone knows when the next game is so I won't miss it? I don't understand the schedule on the first page.
Its scheduled in 8 minutes, so come back in fifteen or so.
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On June 23 2014 07:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 NoGasfOu wrote:
I need to drive out and get food. Anyone knows when the next game is so I won't miss it? I don't understand the schedule on the first page. Its scheduled in 8 minutes, so come back in fifteen or so.
Yeah, it's best to be early so you don't miss any of the ads, right? :D
I kid, I kid.
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On June 23 2014 07:51 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. You guys are talking about just the people Scarlett personally faced, I take it?
Save for Leenock, yes.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S".
DH is the opposite of Day9. Where Day9 calls ro32 a deep run into Code S, DH is more of a that's kinda Code S.
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On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it.
Yeah the top dogs in Korea, I mean the absolute cream of the crop, are in a league of their own, I don't think any rational person disputes that. I'm just saying holding Scar to an impossible standard when she just had a multi-tournament run that anyone who isn't Zest or someone like him would be very happy with is absurd.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S".
Oh I didn't even look I just went from memory haha. Wow Ragnarok/Trap/Leenock were all Code S as well.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:51 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:50 Garrl wrote:On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me. yep, and the casters, without fail, will downplay the achievements of a korean player in favour of hyping the foreigner. I like when people support their favorite players for their playstyle rather than because they're from a certain country. It's really not anti-Korean as much as it is Pro-underdog. And if a caster goes into a match saying how it is likely that a foreigner is going to get stomped by any Korean they face then it's depressing and takes the fun out of it.
Inori was the biggest underdog ever, but I heard no one but me cheering when he beat Stephano.
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Hopefully when Violet manhandles Polt, Polt can PoltvP his way back into the grand finals. A CSN finals would be amazing for MLG.
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On June 23 2014 07:53 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S". Oh I didn't even look I just went from memory haha. Wow Ragnarok/Trap/Leenock were all Code S as well.
Oh yeah I forgot RagnaroK was in code S. In soO, TRUE, and Trap's group iirc.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S". DH is the opposite of Day9. Where Day9 calls ro32 a deep run into Code S, DH is more of a that's kinda Code S.
I'm like Curious. If you pass him into the Ro16 you are worthy. If you fail, you are... CODE A
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On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S".
Considering how much the Ro32 has fluctuated these last couple of seasons, yea basically.
There's a TON of players on that cusp of making Code A consistently and being eliminated in the Ro32 of Code S or just barely not making it through Code A.
Then there's a tier of guys that consistently make Code S but can't make it past the Ro16.
Then there's the freaks like Maru, Soulkey, soO and Zest who get "upset" if they don't make the Ro8.
The GSL is quite the pyramid, and the players in it are without a doubt the best in the world. It's what makes it hands down my favorite SC2 tournament.
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On June 23 2014 07:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:50 Garrl wrote:On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me. yep, and the casters, without fail, will downplay the achievements of a korean player in favour of hyping the foreigner. I like when people support their favorite players for their playstyle rather than because they're from a certain country. It's really not anti-Korean as much as it is Pro-underdog. And if a caster goes into a match saying how it is likely that a foreigner is going to get stomped by any Korean they face then it's depressing and takes the fun out of it. Inori was the biggest underdog ever, but I heard no one but me cheering when he beat Stephano.
Because some people have this mentality that any Korean vs foreigner is a underdog matchup for the foreigner. And stephano was really popular
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Woohoo, just logged into check the results and I see that Trap won!
Awesome. Pretty pleased to see Scarlett out. Now, gogo Polt!
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 07:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:50 Garrl wrote:On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me. yep, and the casters, without fail, will downplay the achievements of a korean player in favour of hyping the foreigner. I like when people support their favorite players for their playstyle rather than because they're from a certain country. It's really not anti-Korean as much as it is Pro-underdog. And if a caster goes into a match saying how it is likely that a foreigner is going to get stomped by any Korean they face then it's depressing and takes the fun out of it. Inori was the biggest underdog ever, but I heard no one but me cheering when he beat Stephano.
I was really sad when Idra was being mean and celebrating when Inori retired. Who remembers Inori? Not many people. TSL 4EVER
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On June 23 2014 07:54 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S". Considering how much the Ro32 has fluctuated these last couple of seasons, yea basically. There's a TON of players on that cusp of making Code A consistently and being eliminated in the Ro32. Then there's a tier of guys that consistently make Code S but can't make it past the Ro16. Then there's the freaks like Maru, Soulkey, soO and Zest who get "upset" if they don't make the Ro8. The GSL is quite the pyramid, and the players in it are without a doubt the best in the world. It's what makes it hands down my favorite SC2 tournament.
All I'm saying is the Round of 32 is still Code S.
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On June 23 2014 07:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. You guys are talking about just the people Scarlett personally faced, I take it? Save for Leenock, yes.
Every time I see HotS Leenock I can't help but go disappointed asian papa T.T.
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On June 23 2014 07:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:54 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S". Considering how much the Ro32 has fluctuated these last couple of seasons, yea basically. There's a TON of players on that cusp of making Code A consistently and being eliminated in the Ro32. Then there's a tier of guys that consistently make Code S but can't make it past the Ro16. Then there's the freaks like Maru, Soulkey, soO and Zest who get "upset" if they don't make the Ro8. The GSL is quite the pyramid, and the players in it are without a doubt the best in the world. It's what makes it hands down my favorite SC2 tournament. All I'm saying is the Round of 32 is still Code S.
Not until Curious has his say!
+ Show Spoiler +Just kidding it's Code S. Unless you go 0-4 because if a player qualifies for Code S and doesn't get a win, was he really there?
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On June 23 2014 07:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:49 Darkhorse wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now. me too i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now (and no polt doesn´t even begin to count) I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day. This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL. She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time. I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss. It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path. A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align. What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game. You're totally right. Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up. There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them. The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well....... Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it. Life and DRG were in code S. Trap is Code S level. Other than that yeah probably not. Leenock is kinda close. Code S round of 32 is now "kinda Code S".
Well there's a difference between "Code S" and "Code S level." It's not like players play best of 100s to get into RO32. A little bit of luck goes a long way.
So there are possible interpretations of what he said that could be reasonable!
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