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Whining about Protoss or balance will be more harshly moderated from page 90 onwards.

Before making comments on race picking, refer to MLG's rules
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 22 2014 22:45 GMT
#3481
On June 23 2014 07:45 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:44 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:35 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:34 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)


ya he does


not rly


did you miss when the crowd was on their feet chanting USA when polt beat stardust last night? you're one of the few that feel that way, probably because you're not american.


im being objective
you are not


America is a state of mind.

I'm pretty sure it's a place.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 22 2014 22:45 GMT
#3482
Wow this is a pretty good month for Scarlett so far. Top 4 at HSC (lost to Taeja in the semis, but went 1-1 with him on the tournament), win at RBBG, and top 4 at MLG. Wonder if she will actually go to GSL or just go back to WCS AM next season.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
June 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#3483
Not sure why people are complaining about Protoss.

Trap defends on 4 bases a lot and manages to not die. That's the first thing.

Then he uses DTs to kill Scarlett's outlying expansions. She's down to equal bases with him, more or less. And all this time, he has been building the perfect composition. She kept making mutas, her minerals were too low, and his composition was just vastly superior. That, and his control was superb in avoiding fungals etc.

She could have won, probably should have, but his play was flawless in that situation, doing everything he needed to.

With spore/spine at her bases she would have been in a much better position.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#3484
On June 23 2014 07:44 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path.

A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align.

What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game.

1st at RBBG, 3rd/4th at HsC, 4th at MLG. It's been an insanely good month for Scarlett.

Exactly, most Code S players would be satisfied with a run like that. I'm stoked she's playing this well. Disappointed about the loss vs Trap in a game she could have won? Of course, but sooner or later mathematical probability will have its due.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Lazzarus
Profile Joined December 2008
Faroe Islands114 Posts
June 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#3485
Wow - just tuned in and saw the last game of Scarlet vs Trap. Amazing game - sad she didn't win

twitch chat linked this:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MLG_Anaheim/Championship_Bracket

Has she really gone through Life AND DRG? wtf? amazing!
Foreverkul
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1649 Posts
June 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#3486
Um, is anyone else getting ONLY ads?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 22 2014 22:46 GMT
#3487
More downtime plz
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16089 Posts
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3488
On June 23 2014 07:42 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

It's also just a numbers game at this point. I think Scarlett has proved over the last few weeks that she can hang with strong Koreans. But if you go into a bracket where you have to win 5-6 BoX vs good Koreans, even assuming you are every bit as good as any of the individually, odds are one of them is going to have your number some way along that path.

A BO win, an unscouted all in, a really strong game from your opponent when you made some mistakes(as we just saw), all the stuff that happens when elite Koreans play each other. And when you are the only foreigner against 7+ Koreans most of them time, it's just a matter of mathematics, you won't be able to win that may games against really good players back to back unless the stars align.

What we just saw was an incredibly performance. Over the last weeks she's beaten Taeja/MMA/Hyun/Ragnarok/DRG/Life/MC/Stork/Patience/Polt/Violet etc. I know people here are going to shit on her now that she lost and just generally be assholes while ignoring all she actually did, but that's just the internet. I'm happy about this result, and if you are a Scarlett fan so should you, because this is really about as much as we can hope for given the state of the game.


You're totally right.

Unfortunately for us, for a foreign hope to triumph, being as good as the Koreans (as Scarlett is) isn't good enough if she's the only champion we have. The numbers just don't add up.

There's also a second truth though that I also realize. As good as these opponents are at this MLG, this isn't the top of the pyramid either. There's maybe only one to three players that you could argue could make a GSL Code S. Trap is one of them.

The rest of these guys are Code A level. The gap between them and the guys at the very top is well.......

Starcraft is tough, and the top Korean pros are just fucking good at it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3489
On June 23 2014 07:46 Lazzarus wrote:
Wow - just tuned in and saw the last game of Scarlet vs Trap. Amazing game - sad she didn't win

twitch chat linked this:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MLG_Anaheim/Championship_Bracket

Has she really gone through Life AND DRG? wtf? amazing!

Yeah, this run was just unreal! :D
kiss kiss fall in love
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3490
On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me.

Marginally, but I understand that people like rooting for underdogs in a lot of situations.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 22:48:04
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3491
On June 23 2014 07:46 Larkin wrote:
Not sure why people are complaining about Protoss.

Trap defends on 4 bases a lot and manages to not die. That's the first thing.

Then he uses DTs to kill Scarlett's outlying expansions. She's down to equal bases with him, more or less. And all this time, he has been building the perfect composition. She kept making mutas, her minerals were too low, and his composition was just vastly superior. That, and his control was superb in avoiding fungals etc.

She could have won, probably should have, but his play was flawless in that situation, doing everything he needed to.

With spore/spine at her bases she would have been in a much better position.


i think she should have stopped at 10 gases. she had 0 minerals for any type of static defense but at the same time she wants to deplete her massive gas bank, and how do to that? make mutas and infestors....
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3492
Polt left his country to come to America to follow his dreams. He studied in an American college, speaks English and is in a marriage with Violet. Can't get more American than him.
Moderator
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
June 22 2014 22:47 GMT
#3493
On June 23 2014 07:43 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:41 Darkhorse wrote:
Scarlett is probably kicking herself at the lack of spore+spine at her outlying expansions D:


I've seen Scarlett do that a few times now.

That's called greedy. Good skill to have.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16089 Posts
June 22 2014 22:48 GMT
#3494
On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me.


Oh trust me, I've had my fair share of rants on this subject. I've used some pretty harsh language too, it's incredible I haven't been warned for it already.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
June 22 2014 22:48 GMT
#3495
On June 23 2014 07:47 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me.

Marginally, but I understand that people like rooting for underdogs in a lot of situations.


Im becoming the opposite, a person who always root for the Korean. What is this called?
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
June 22 2014 22:48 GMT
#3496
On June 23 2014 07:46 Foreverkul wrote:
Um, is anyone else getting ONLY ads?

Just eat some pizza dammit!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 22 2014 22:48 GMT
#3497
On June 23 2014 07:47 stuchiu wrote:
Polt left his country to come to America to follow his dreams. He studied in an American college, speaks English and is in a marriage with Violet. Can't get more American than him.


im being objective
you are not
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 22 2014 22:49 GMT
#3498
On June 23 2014 07:46 Lazzarus wrote:
Wow - just tuned in and saw the last game of Scarlet vs Trap. Amazing game - sad she didn't win

twitch chat linked this:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_MLG_Anaheim/Championship_Bracket

Has she really gone through Life AND DRG? wtf? amazing!

Yep. She also played protoss
Neosteel Enthusiast
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
June 22 2014 22:49 GMT
#3499
On June 23 2014 07:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:45 pure.Wasted wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:44 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:35 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:34 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 Dodgin wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)


ya he does


not rly


did you miss when the crowd was on their feet chanting USA when polt beat stardust last night? you're one of the few that feel that way, probably because you're not american.


im being objective
you are not


America is a state of mind.

I'm pretty sure it's a place.


Correct, however, 'Murica is definitely a state of mind.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 22 2014 22:49 GMT
#3500
On June 23 2014 07:48 ThePlagueJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 07:47 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:45 Walnuts wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:31 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:30 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I am so shattered right now.


me too

i´ve been wanting a foreigner win for a long time now

(and no polt doesn´t even begin to count)

I'm so tired of Scarlett making Top 4, I just want to be able to see her win. I really thought that today was her day.


This is the most impressive run I've seen from her since her breakout IPL IMO.

She went through back to back to back pros including motherfucking DongRaeGu before falling to Trap. It looks like she's improving all the time.

I'm happy for her. She's right on that edge of being able to win a tournament like this, I hope she doesn't lose heart over this loss.

Also, is anyone else bothered by the idea that people root against a player he or she is korean? I get rooting for someone from your own country, but the fact that so many people don't even want to watch a tournament because one nationality is good at the game seems wrong to me.

Marginally, but I understand that people like rooting for underdogs in a lot of situations.


Im becoming the opposite, a person who always root for the Korean. What is this called?


A contrarian?
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