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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
June 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1901
Gogo Dayshi, you just got the VortiX buff, can't lose now.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1902
On June 09 2014 02:53 Oboeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

and you have to be mining gas to accomodate roaches in addition to your plans for upgrades and lairs, and you need to float additional supply ahead of your larva production so that you can make roaches instead of lings or drones (using twice as much supply per larva). basically you'd be floating and waiting, so you're no better off than just making the roaches blind anyway.

queen kiting, competent ling micro and a spine crawler can hold until roaches
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
June 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1903
On June 09 2014 02:50 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 Yorkie wrote:
And Life is your Dreamhack Bucharest Champion! Ty commercial I feel less bad that Bomber is out

Bomber fans should feel bad. He lost to a random player and a foreign Terran. When was the last time a foreign terran won an offline TvT vs a Korean? MajOr vs Bbyong?

Wow 4 months ago so long. Also go away Bomber is still way better and more relevant than MKP

i dont see what mkp has to do with this tournament. He's not in it. still Bomber is looking like a shell of his old self. definitely not a top tier korean anymore

He's pretty "old" by Korean progamer standards. He's 3 years older than the "old/washed up" MVP. I still don't think this is a permanent decline in skill, but if you do it is justified
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
June 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1904
On June 09 2014 02:54 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
Can we at least film it so I can make some money?

ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that

you're right. USA has a much better chance of winning the world cup than MKP making code s.

...... Blatant player bashing

Poll: Most likely?

foreigner premier victory (19)
 
39%

MKP making Code S (14)
 
29%

USA winning the world cup (10)
 
20%

Bomber's Law not being real (6)
 
12%

49 total votes

Your vote: Most likely?

(Vote): USA winning the world cup
(Vote): foreigner premier victory
(Vote): MKP making Code S
(Vote): Bomber's Law not being real

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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1905
On June 09 2014 02:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
Someone is about to lose an ear.


ha! I was about to type this.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1906
It's not about balance. It is simply the curse of being a foreigner. In Hots, there has only been one irrefutable rule: if you are a foreigner, you won't win a premier. There is not foreign hope, only foreign disappointment. Dayshi either collapses to proxy oracles or cloaked banshee, pick your poison.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1907
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?
Zest fanboy.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1908
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


A true Zerg would just 1 base bane bust before this all happened though
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1909
On June 09 2014 02:54 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
Can we at least film it so I can make some money?

ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that

you're right. USA has a much better chance of winning the world cup than MKP making code s.

...... Blatant player bashing

I don't see you boldly defending aLive. Not so noble now.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1910
On June 09 2014 02:52 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:49 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Heavenlee wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.


Are you trying to do one balance whine per page until the end of the tourney or what? Just curious.

I'm not whining about the balance, it's more about how the cycle of the meta works against Scarlett here. Terrans get a buff and are able to incorporate a strong new build that is killing Zergs who are trying a bunch of things, and it's gonna take time before they figure it out. It just totally sucks is all.

I'm sure you were equally upset when Terrans were the victims of this via buffs/nerfs or map pool changes... Right?

You think I was happy to see 3 terrans in Code S season 1? Of course I wasn't, it makes for a shit tournament. I would absolutely prefer that there is a good racial balance, but we don't get that. And yes, if you're asking, I am a little more upset now because it was my favorite player that fell.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1911
On June 09 2014 02:55 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?

personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 17:57:20
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1912
On June 09 2014 02:54 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:54 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
[quote]
ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that

you're right. USA has a much better chance of winning the world cup than MKP making code s.

...... Blatant player bashing

+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Most likely?

foreigner premier victory (19)
 
39%

MKP making Code S (14)
 
29%

USA winning the world cup (10)
 
20%

Bomber's Law not being real (6)
 
12%

49 total votes

Your vote: Most likely?

(Vote): USA winning the world cup
(Vote): foreigner premier victory
(Vote): MKP making Code S
(Vote): Bomber's Law not being real


rekt
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
June 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1913
On June 09 2014 02:53 jakethesnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 Lorning wrote:
[quote]
your entire face

Can we at least film it so I can make some money?

ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that

you're right. USA has a much better chance of winning the world cup than MKP making code s.

Yeah seriously it's only Ghana Portugal and Germany in our group
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1914
This thread took a turn for the worse.
I am here in the shadows.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1915
On June 09 2014 02:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 Lorning wrote:
[quote]
your entire face

Can we at least film it so I can make some money?

ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that


I dunno, the US have Altidore

If only they had Ollidore.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1916
On June 09 2014 02:55 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


A true Zerg would just 1 base bane bust before this all happened though


#newmeta

And lo, ActionJesus returns from the void to lead the Zerg to glory.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1917
On June 09 2014 02:55 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:54 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 jakethesnake wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:52 Shellshock wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Lorning wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:47 Yorkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 Lorning wrote:
[quote]
ur face will be redder than prime's icon m8

Wouldn't it be white? If it's red you should get that checked out

this guy

You started it.

You insulted MKP

well he's right. there's a better chance of USA winning the world cup than MKP making Code S

That's wronger than wrong and you know that

you're right. USA has a much better chance of winning the world cup than MKP making code s.

...... Blatant player bashing

I don't see you boldly defending aLive. Not so noble now.

I have never attacked aLive in my life before
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1918
MKP is actually winning that poll wtf?

Greece won Euro 2004 which I would have considered an even bigger upset than the USA winning the upcoming World Cup
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1919
On June 09 2014 02:54 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:53 Oboeman wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

and you have to be mining gas to accomodate roaches in addition to your plans for upgrades and lairs, and you need to float additional supply ahead of your larva production so that you can make roaches instead of lings or drones (using twice as much supply per larva). basically you'd be floating and waiting, so you're no better off than just making the roaches blind anyway.

queen kiting, competent ling micro and a spine crawler can hold until roaches


Would love to know where you are getting the resources (money+larve) from for lings and roaches.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1920
On June 09 2014 02:55 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:55 sAsImre wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?

personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"


GM Level ladder on Eu should be enough to determine if something is utterly broken. And you're confusing quanti and quali but whatever.
Zest fanboy.
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