On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
and you have to be mining gas to accomodate roaches in addition to your plans for upgrades and lairs, and you need to float additional supply ahead of your larva production so that you can make roaches instead of lings or drones (using twice as much supply per larva). basically you'd be floating and waiting, so you're no better off than just making the roaches blind anyway.
queen kiting, competent ling micro and a spine crawler can hold until roaches
On June 09 2014 02:45 Yorkie wrote: And Life is your Dreamhack Bucharest Champion! Ty commercial I feel less bad that Bomber is out
Bomber fans should feel bad. He lost to a random player and a foreign Terran. When was the last time a foreign terran won an offline TvT vs a Korean? MajOr vs Bbyong?
Wow 4 months ago so long. Also go away Bomber is still way better and more relevant than MKP
i dont see what mkp has to do with this tournament. He's not in it. still Bomber is looking like a shell of his old self. definitely not a top tier korean anymore
He's pretty "old" by Korean progamer standards. He's 3 years older than the "old/washed up" MVP. I still don't think this is a permanent decline in skill, but if you do it is justified
It's not about balance. It is simply the curse of being a foreigner. In Hots, there has only been one irrefutable rule: if you are a foreigner, you won't win a premier. There is not foreign hope, only foreign disappointment. Dayshi either collapses to proxy oracles or cloaked banshee, pick your poison.
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.
Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.
how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.
Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.
A true Zerg would just 1 base bane bust before this all happened though
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
Are you trying to do one balance whine per page until the end of the tourney or what? Just curious.
I'm not whining about the balance, it's more about how the cycle of the meta works against Scarlett here. Terrans get a buff and are able to incorporate a strong new build that is killing Zergs who are trying a bunch of things, and it's gonna take time before they figure it out. It just totally sucks is all.
I'm sure you were equally upset when Terrans were the victims of this via buffs/nerfs or map pool changes... Right?
You think I was happy to see 3 terrans in Code S season 1? Of course I wasn't, it makes for a shit tournament. I would absolutely prefer that there is a good racial balance, but we don't get that. And yes, if you're asking, I am a little more upset now because it was my favorite player that fell.
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.
Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.
how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?
personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.
Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.
A true Zerg would just 1 base bane bust before this all happened though
#newmeta
And lo, ActionJesus returns from the void to lead the Zerg to glory.
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
and you have to be mining gas to accomodate roaches in addition to your plans for upgrades and lairs, and you need to float additional supply ahead of your larva production so that you can make roaches instead of lings or drones (using twice as much supply per larva). basically you'd be floating and waiting, so you're no better off than just making the roaches blind anyway.
queen kiting, competent ling micro and a spine crawler can hold until roaches
Would love to know where you are getting the resources (money+larve) from for lings and roaches.
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...
I know I'm gonna get railed.
If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.
Except you can't scout it in time.
Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.
Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.
Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.
Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.
how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?
personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"
GM Level ladder on Eu should be enough to determine if something is utterly broken. And you're confusing quanti and quali but whatever.
EPT
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