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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-08 17:59:45
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1941
millenium vortix confirmed
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1942
On June 09 2014 02:55 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:55 sAsImre wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?

personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"

I am not talking about balance; I am saying Zergs can defend those pushes, even if they're not exactly scouted. I denied over sac from TargA or SortOf and they still had enough (Roaches or banes) to hold my Hellbat pushes.
Elitios
Profile Joined February 2012
France164 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1943
On June 09 2014 02:58 Kerence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:57 Elitios wrote:
I have a question: Who is the most douchebaggy guy of those that have sit on the couch of HSC IX?

destiny
NightEnd
ToD
Incontrol
Appolo
Other

Where's the "None" option?


sorry. I will fix this
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1944
hasuobs wants pizza so bad
Administrator
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1945
5 Protoss lol
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1946
On June 09 2014 02:59 Xinzoe wrote:
millenium vortix confirmed

Dignitas just added a player, anything can happen.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#1947
On June 09 2014 02:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
hasuobs wants pizza so bad

He is eying it constantly.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
June 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1948
On June 09 2014 02:59 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:59 Xinzoe wrote:
millenium vortix confirmed

Dignitas just added a player, anything can happen.


it just happened :O :O
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
June 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1949
On June 09 2014 02:58 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:56 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:54 Waise wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:53 Oboeman wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

and you have to be mining gas to accomodate roaches in addition to your plans for upgrades and lairs, and you need to float additional supply ahead of your larva production so that you can make roaches instead of lings or drones (using twice as much supply per larva). basically you'd be floating and waiting, so you're no better off than just making the roaches blind anyway.

queen kiting, competent ling micro and a spine crawler can hold until roaches


Would love to know where you are getting the resources (money+larve) from for lings and roaches.

We get it you don't think this is possible to be held. You can stop talking about it and we can all watch SC2 where Zergs routinely hold it and Terran isn't OP


No I didn't say that, it's far too early to make any claim like that. My concern at the moment is it's not scoutable and requires a blind-tech path to counter. We'll see over the next few weeks how the meta develops.

I don't think T is OP incidentally, i'm really enjoying TvZ at the moment and think this weekend's HSC has shown some superb games in the matchup.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1950
On June 09 2014 03:00 Xinzoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:59 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:59 Xinzoe wrote:
millenium vortix confirmed

Dignitas just added a player, anything can happen.


it just happened :O :O

Well then, goddamn.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 08 2014 18:00 GMT
#1951
Hasuobs already plotting his pizza robbery
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1952
On June 09 2014 02:59 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:55 Waise wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:55 sAsImre wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?

personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"

I am not talking about balance; I am saying Zergs can defend those pushes, even if they're not exactly scouted. I denied over sac from TargA or SortOf and they still had enough (Roaches or banes) to hold my Hellbat pushes.


If DRG can stop Inno's pre-patch hellbat drops, I'm certain ppl can stop this.
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Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1953
NUDELSALAT
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1954
On June 09 2014 02:59 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:59 Xinzoe wrote:
millenium vortix confirmed

Dignitas just added a player, anything can happen.

He's actually on Millennium tho
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1955
On June 09 2014 02:57 Elitios wrote:
I have a question: Who is the most douchebaggy guy of those that have sit on the couch of HSC IX?

destiny
NightEnd
ToD
Incontrol
Appolo
Other
Everybody is nice and beautiful and smells good


Not Nightend
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1956
Why no Terran?
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1957
On June 09 2014 03:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:59 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:59 Xinzoe wrote:
millenium vortix confirmed

Dignitas just added a player, anything can happen.

He's actually on Millennium tho

Hadn't been on the main page for a spell.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 08 2014 18:01 GMT
#1958
They should have let jjakji solo cast Dayshi
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
June 08 2014 18:02 GMT
#1959
On June 09 2014 03:01 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 02:59 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:55 Waise wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:55 sAsImre wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:54 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:49 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:48 Xorphene wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:46 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 02:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yet another premier championship eludes Scarlett, and the whole hellbat push meta in the Terran's court certainly helped with that one...

I know I'm gonna get railed.

If only you could build a Roach Warren for 150 minerals in case Terran uses this kind of push.


Except you can't scout it in time.

Overlord speed after ling speed see's completed armory too late. Which means you are blind-dropping a roach warren, never good to blindly drop tech.

Yep, I can certainly understand why losing a worker and spending 150 minerals puts you immensely behind in a 40 workers / 1.5k minerals per minut economy.

Yeah, okay we can get the Roach Warren. We still can't scout the armory in time and we would need to build roaches blindly before the attack is at our door, because once it's there it's too late to get roaches.

Exactly. And I can even share a secret... From my ladder experience against various Zerg pros, it works.


how do you dare to bring empiric arguments here :p ?

personal anecdotes to represent game balance across thousands of players is not "empiric argument"

I am not talking about balance; I am saying Zergs can defend those pushes, even if they're not exactly scouted. I denied over sac from TargA or SortOf and they still had enough (Roaches or banes) to hold my Hellbat pushes.


If DRG can stop Inno's pre-patch hellbat drops, I'm certain ppl can stop this.

Going back to my original point, yeah Zergs will hold it. It takes time to learn how to and Scarlett got bad timing. That's all.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 08 2014 18:02 GMT
#1960
Ahahaha MC is the boss
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