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On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.
breathe Stuchiu, breathe!
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On April 27 2014 21:34 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS. Atuchiu getting mad? O.o I am scared
Protoss should stop laddering today.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:34 VmY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS. stuchiu going beserk
I'm scared. Hold me
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On April 27 2014 21:33 Xinzoe wrote:
TLo saids bunny can beat innovation.
wtf is he smoking?
Uhh hasnt it been a couple months since we saw Innovation play an TvT? So couldnt he be shitty when it comes to TvT for all we know? He could also be a god but he could be bad at it now and Bunny has shown good results in TvT i believe
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On April 27 2014 21:34 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 Xinzoe wrote:
TLo saids bunny can beat innovation.
wtf is he smoking? It's not completely impossible in a bo3, but the odds are low.
Also Bunny is his teammate so he kinda have to say that.
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On April 27 2014 21:32 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:31 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 27 2014 21:30 Shellshock wrote:On April 27 2014 21:29 GumBa wrote:On April 27 2014 21:28 KristofferAG wrote:
So is Life or Leenock the better ZvZ player these days? Accordining to Zealously. Life Life is the better overall player atm imo. Probably favored in ZvZ as well Life being a better player overall atm isn't just iyo. It's kind of an objective, irrefutable, factual fact. that's true but I didn't want to speak for everyone else because there's always someone that wants to disagree
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in my opinion you should have to back it up. I could try to play devils advocate for saying Leenock is better than Life, but I'd really struggle to come up with arguments to back it up, Life's results in the last 6 months (and overall in SC2) just crushes Leenocks, as impressive as Leenocks mid-late 2011-2012 was, and winning the first HoTS Dreamhack, Life still has done more overall and more recently.
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On April 27 2014 21:34 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 Xinzoe wrote:
TLo saids bunny can beat innovation.
wtf is he smoking? It's not completely impossible in a bo3, but the odds are low.
they are also in the same team so his statement isnt very surprising
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On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields.
It was 20 / 50 when Welmu lost his army and then the probe pulls begin. So it was more like 20+Mules vs 30 probes on mining duty. Killing fresh mules really helped Welmu for a moment. But there was nothing to stop endless Stim Marauders. It was not just eco, it was Energy units being super good in those situations. Not only Orbtials but Medivacs as well.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:35 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:34 GumBa wrote:On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:
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You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS. Atuchiu getting mad? O.o I am scared Protoss should stop laddering today.
He will 10pool woth a fury today
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On April 27 2014 21:35 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 Xinzoe wrote:
TLo saids bunny can beat innovation.
wtf is he smoking? Uhh hasnt it been a couple months since we saw Innovation play an TvT? So couldnt he be shitty when it comes to TvT for all we know? He could also be a god but he could be bad at it now and Bunny has shown good results in TvT i believe
inno's tvt is infamous for being kinda not that great, especially compared to his other match ups.
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On April 27 2014 21:35 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 Xinzoe wrote:
TLo saids bunny can beat innovation.
wtf is he smoking? Uhh hasnt it been a couple months since we saw Innovation play an TvT? So couldnt he be shitty when it comes to TvT for all we know? He could also be a god but he could be bad at it now and Bunny has shown good results in TvT i believe
It's actually his best match-up on the Korean ladder with like 65% winrate. (:
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.
Dude, relax
Take it eeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeeeeee
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jjakji keeps messing up his combat shiels, that's not the first time i saw him do it
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Norway25712 Posts
Do fungals have team colors too?
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also on welmu vs inno. sometimes economy doesn't matter if you have ALMOST 3 TIMES THE ARMY YOUR OPPONENT HAS!
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On April 27 2014 21:37 KristofferAG wrote:
Do fungals have team colors too?
no still standard color
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Belgica34432 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:37 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:33 stuchiu wrote:On April 27 2014 21:32 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:27 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths. At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields. He was building scvs 3 at a time and killed some probes with his attack, so yes it got closer. But after Welmu's attack, it was 20 vs 50. And apparently, that's enough to build marauders non-stop (and 3 SCVs at a time), counter attack and kill everything. ALRIGHT THATS IT. LISTEN UP HE WAS DOWN 30 SCVS, BUT THEY WERE AT THE SAME SUPPLY AFTER THE FIGHT BEFORE THE ECONOMY HIT IN. THUS INNOVATION WAS 30 SUPPLY UP ON ARMY AND DID SOMETHING WITH IT. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS. Dude, relax Take it eeeeeeeeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeeeeee
Hi Hassy
Don't you some Hearthstone to LR
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On April 27 2014 21:37 Tanzklaue wrote:
also on welmu vs inno. sometimes economy doesn't matter if you have ALMOST 3 TIMES THE ARMY YOUR OPPONENT HAS!
it was a mistake by welmu, he first overcommited then didn't give up his third. too bad but inno did it well
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Norway25712 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:38 Shellshock wrote:no still standard color
That's good I guess.
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stardust getting jackgg'd
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