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On April 27 2014 21:20 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Innovation was up roughly 20-30 army supply when he attacked Welmu's third, because Welmu lost his entire army with his attack. If anything you should make a case that Protoss holding off an army 2x the supply for 10 mins is kind of ridiculous. I fail to see what mules have to do with any of this.
What it has to do with it is that Innovation had about 20 scvs after the fight thats nowhere near enough to produce army 24/7 but since hes terran and terran has mules he manages to do just that which i find ridiculous cause what justifies mules anyways protoss always needs to be at like 60-65 probes zerg like 70-85 drones while a terran only needs 60 ish in the early--midgame after that they can have practically none and still have a just as good/better economy even though terran units are pretty effing cheap
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Can't tell if stardust was so much better or if the map was so bad for jjakji.
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What happened in the first game between jjakji and StarDust?
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On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D
KESPA elitists
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On April 27 2014 21:19 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On April 27 2014 21:11 pmp10 wrote:
This should never have been so close. No, it shouldn't have. A top 50 Protoss forced a top 5 Terran to play one of the most mechanically taxing games of his career, and the game could have still gone either way until minutes before it ended. Are you really whining about TvP still? Seriously? When top T and P players said the matchup has switched, and T is now winning. Have you played/watched SC2 the last month? At all?
Yea its not like its been 7 months after terran last won a tournament ...
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On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D
And Lorning is doing this LR and the PL one.
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On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all
20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths.
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your Country52797 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D
They saw sOs vs Classic though
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On April 27 2014 21:26 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D And Lorning is doing this LR and the PL one.
lorning is a LR god.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:26 TheFlexN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:26 Aeromi wrote:On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D And Lorning is doing this LR and the PL one. lorning is a LR god.
Still a mere mortal D:
But thanks <3
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:25 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:20 SlixSC wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Innovation was up roughly 20-30 army supply when he attacked Welmu's third, because Welmu lost his entire army with his attack. If anything you should make a case that Protoss holding off an army 2x the supply for 10 mins is kind of ridiculous. I fail to see what mules have to do with any of this. What it has to do with it is that Innovation had about 20 scvs after the fight thats nowhere near enough to produce army 24/7 but since hes terran and terran has mules he manages to do just that which i find ridiculous cause what justifies mules anyways protoss always needs to be at like 60-65 probes zerg like 70-85 drones while a terran only needs 60 ish in the early--midgame after that they can have practically none and still have a just as good/better economy even though terran units are pretty effing cheap
And Protoss gets advantages in other parts of the game. And those advantages have gotten 6/7 wins in the last 7 Premier Tournaments with PvP being more often than not the final match.
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On April 27 2014 21:23 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:21 Musicus wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Ragnarork wrote:On April 27 2014 21:14 75 wrote:On April 27 2014 21:13 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:13 VmY wrote:On April 27 2014 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:12 75 wrote:
oh boy, only terran is able to come back when behind that much Someone didn't watch the third game of MC vs TY... Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Atleast I hope so Fairly sure he was dead serious. (: im german, we are always serious Serious and wrong then. I'd actually agree that Terran has the best comeback potential and is strongest in scrappy games, since they can get the most income out of one base and have sick gorilla tactics with medivacs. That's not imba or a whine, since they are weaker in other scenarios, but Mules give an advantage in games like this. Also floating you main CC after losing the third base help. "Strongest in low economy scenarii" is what you're looking for.
exactly 
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On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths.
At some moment, when Bogus was attacking Welmu's third, he had 35 vs 45 from memory. Unsure. But you also have to factor the fact the main and the natural had probably already lost some mineral fields.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:27 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:26 TheFlexN wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Aeromi wrote:On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D And Lorning is doing this LR and the PL one. lorning is a LR god. Still a mere mortal D: But thanks <3
No you have ascended lr god hood
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On April 27 2014 21:25 Varroth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:20 SlixSC wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Innovation was up roughly 20-30 army supply when he attacked Welmu's third, because Welmu lost his entire army with his attack. If anything you should make a case that Protoss holding off an army 2x the supply for 10 mins is kind of ridiculous. I fail to see what mules have to do with any of this. What it has to do with it is that Innovation had about 20 scvs after the fight thats nowhere near enough to produce army 24/7 but since hes terran and terran has mules he manages to do just that which i find ridiculous cause what justifies mules anyways protoss always needs to be at like 60-65 probes zerg like 70-85 drones while a terran only needs 60 ish in the early--midgame after that they can have practically none and still have a just as good/better economy even though terran units are pretty effing cheap
I forgot MULEs win fights. Terrans need to MULE hammer more in fights.
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Norway25712 Posts
So is Life or Leenock the better ZvZ player these days?
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On April 27 2014 21:25 TheDwf wrote:
What happened in the first game between jjakji and StarDust?
StarDust slaughter jjakji.
Mostly with warprism and zaelot warpins.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:26 Maniak_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:24 mderg wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Too bad they played with no match history, but I remember Bogus was close in worker count, and he was remaking SCVs 3 by 3. he wasn´t close in worker count at all 20 scvs to 50 probes is close with Terran maths.
He was also 60 army supply up after the engagement.
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United States97276 Posts
On April 27 2014 21:28 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:27 Lorning wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 TheFlexN wrote:On April 27 2014 21:26 Aeromi wrote:On April 27 2014 21:25 shid0x wrote:
ahah only 2k people watching proleague :D And Lorning is doing this LR and the PL one. lorning is a LR god. Still a mere mortal D: But thanks <3 No you have ascended lr god hood
one last hurrah before retirement
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On April 27 2014 21:28 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 21:25 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:20 SlixSC wrote:On April 27 2014 21:18 Varroth wrote:On April 27 2014 21:16 TheDwf wrote:On April 27 2014 21:15 Varroth wrote:
Protoss units are so fking slow i mean they probably put turtles in those suits also mules are dumb.. only terran can have 30 scvs and continue playing You realize Welmu didn't have a fully working economy either? His economy was x100 times better than that of Innovations after the big fight though but my point about mules is its not that rare to see terrans lose 30 out of 60 scvs but since they have 3 orbital commands they stay in the game and sometimes win purely cause of mules Innovation was up roughly 20-30 army supply when he attacked Welmu's third, because Welmu lost his entire army with his attack. If anything you should make a case that Protoss holding off an army 2x the supply for 10 mins is kind of ridiculous. I fail to see what mules have to do with any of this. What it has to do with it is that Innovation had about 20 scvs after the fight thats nowhere near enough to produce army 24/7 but since hes terran and terran has mules he manages to do just that which i find ridiculous cause what justifies mules anyways protoss always needs to be at like 60-65 probes zerg like 70-85 drones while a terran only needs 60 ish in the early--midgame after that they can have practically none and still have a just as good/better economy even though terran units are pretty effing cheap I forgot MULEs win fights. Terrans need to MULE hammer more in fights.
Never understood why people call them manner MULEs. Everyone should know they're here for the killing blow.
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