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On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it.
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wtf happened to Ryung?? How did he become so mediocre. He was so good 
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This is like the poor man's version of Fantasy vs Myungsik
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caliber's trademark must be that he refuses to research charge
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So... if Ryung got a bonus for beating avilo 2-0 and keeping the tournament on track...
But I think he just lost it for getting carrier'd.
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God, Ryung always makes questionable decisions like that. I know there's hindsight and all that, but why does he not feel comfortable playing the lategame against an NA protoss?
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On April 19 2014 11:05 AyaaLa wrote:wtf happened to Ryung?? How did he become so mediocre. He was so good
Yea it's so strange T.T. Ryung was so deadly in TvT and not too bad in the other matchups.
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On April 19 2014 11:05 Undead1993 wrote:
caliber's trademark must be that he refuses to research charge
Well in his defense; zealots only apparead a handful and at the end. He was gas hungy with storm, templar, colossi and tempest.
Wouldn't have researched charge with the amount he had planned and ultimately made.
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On April 19 2014 11:03 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:01 Shellshock wrote:On April 19 2014 10:58 Waise wrote:On April 19 2014 10:55 Shellshock wrote:On April 19 2014 10:52 JabuSeika wrote:On April 19 2014 07:09 JabuSeika wrote:Excited for the 3 Koreans that will qualify.  I hate myself. Hey it might not be the best system in people's opinion but at least they have the regional qualifiers so it's not 8+ koreans a season or whatever i like to imagine what it would be like if the USA constantly complained about international soccer championships being too hard for americans to win and demanding an automatic seed we are competent enough in the last 2 decades that the region locked qualifier for us is basically an automatic seed i don't actually know that much about the world cup, it was just the first thing that came to mind as a thing that america actually tries to compete at yet and consistently fails to top the field that's my theory for why so many americans hate soccer and make fun of it: if americans aren't the best, something must be wrong with the sport (same goes for sc2 hahaha)
World Cup is actually one of the arguments people have been using for region locking WCS since it's region locked with non equal number of seeds from each region. Some of the ideas tossed around were that you would lock each region giving Korea the most spots at Blizzcon, then EU, then AM etc..
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Caliber gambled well, and pulled it off. I disagreed with the decision of hiding the phoenix, and not putting up pressure, but it turned out to be the right decision since he caught out the medivacs. I also disagreed with all the cannons, but he was right in anticipating that Ryung was going to attack into it.
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avilo really delayed the shit out of this tournament, ballon is waiting like 2 hours already for his next match
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On April 19 2014 11:08 Undead1993 wrote:
avilo really delayed the shit out of this tournament, ballon is waiting like 2 hours already for his next match
haha yeah just to put it in perspective Pigbaby finished his Ro32 match before avilo finished his Ro128 match
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On April 19 2014 11:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it.
when your marines come out of the dropship stimmied, they have enough movement kill the pheonix
if u are moving your medivacs around while dropping, atleast u might be able to fake the P out a bit with the movement and your medivac lasts just 1-2 seconds longer maybe getting out another marine
besides you arent going to be killing a pheonix if the Protoss is halfway decent and can pull a damaged one away
whereas the important thing is unloading as many marines out as possible before your medivacs go down, and moving medivacs might last longer
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On April 19 2014 11:08 Undead1993 wrote:
avilo really delayed the shit out of this tournament, ballon is waiting like 2 hours already for his next match
Normally I would not fault a guy for doing that: If a player enjoys playing longer games and feels greater success playing that way, all the power to him. But because it's avilo, I want to blame him for schedule problems. And because he's an idiot
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On April 19 2014 11:09 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it. when your marines come out of the dropship stimmied, they have enough movement kill the pheonix if u are moving your medivacs around while dropping, atleast u might be able to fake the P out a bit with the movement and your medivac lasts just 1-2 seconds longer maybe getting out another marine
But the micro required to stim each individual marine while doing that is silly and is highly unlikely to work out, not to mention that in order to kill a Phoenix you need to focus fire in that situation which is even harder.
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On April 19 2014 11:03 Waise wrote:i don't actually know that much about the world cup, it was just the first thing that came to mind as a thing that america actually tries to compete at yet and consistently fails to top the field that's my theory for why so many americans hate soccer and make fun of it: if americans aren't the best, something must be wrong with the sport (same goes for sc2 hahaha)
Or the more obvious reason: it's at best the 8th most popular sport in the US, clearly behind the NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAAF, NHL, NASCAR, and NCAAB (probably ranked in that order, counting college different from the pros).
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On April 19 2014 11:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:09 mikumegurine wrote:On April 19 2014 11:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it. when your marines come out of the dropship stimmied, they have enough movement kill the pheonix if u are moving your medivacs around while dropping, atleast u might be able to fake the P out a bit with the movement and your medivac lasts just 1-2 seconds longer maybe getting out another marine But the micro required to stim each individual marine while doing that is silly and is highly unlikely to work out, not to mention that in order to kill a Phoenix you need to focus fire in that situation which is even harder.
besides you arent going to be killing a pheonix if the Protoss is halfway decent and can pull a damaged one away
whereas the important thing is unloading as many marines out as possible before your medivacs go down, and moving medivacs will last longer than a stationary medivac
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On April 19 2014 11:11 TheShadower wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:03 Waise wrote:
we are competent enough in the last 2 decades that the region locked qualifier for us is basically an automatic seed i don't actually know that much about the world cup, it was just the first thing that came to mind as a thing that america actually tries to compete at yet and consistently fails to top the field that's my theory for why so many americans hate soccer and make fun of it: if americans aren't the best, something must be wrong with the sport (same goes for sc2 hahaha) Or the more obvious reason: it's at best 8th most popular sport in the US, clearly behind the NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAAF, NHL, NASCAR, and NCAAB (probably ranked in that order, counting college different from the pros).
Hmm. There is actually a small but fairly dedicated bunch of people that follow the MLS (major league soccer) but probably still behind those.
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On April 19 2014 11:11 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:09 mikumegurine wrote:On April 19 2014 11:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it. when your marines come out of the dropship stimmied, they have enough movement kill the pheonix if u are moving your medivacs around while dropping, atleast u might be able to fake the P out a bit with the movement and your medivac lasts just 1-2 seconds longer maybe getting out another marine But the micro required to stim each individual marine while doing that is silly and is highly unlikely to work out, not to mention that in order to kill a Phoenix you need to focus fire in that situation which is even harder. besides you arent going to be killing a pheonix if the Protoss is halfway decent and can pull a damaged one away whereas the important thing is unloading as many marines out as possible before your medivacs go down, and moving medivacs will last longer than a stationary medivac
If the Protoss is halfway decent, the moving medivacs won't last any longer than a stationary medivac, since the phoenix just need to roughly shadow the medivacs to have full dps. To be honest, stationary and moving medivacs barely make any difference in this case though. In both cases you will probably not get a phoenix.
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On April 19 2014 11:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 11:11 mikumegurine wrote:On April 19 2014 11:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:09 mikumegurine wrote:On April 19 2014 11:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 19 2014 11:00 mikumegurine wrote:
these casters dont know medivac unloads the same speed no matter if its moving or in one place?
so Ryung was correct in moving and droppping out of his medivacs...
these casters....
Yeah but you have a higher chance of killing at least a Phoenix if you don't move, because otherwise they will move out of the marine range as they drop while the medivac attempts to flee. So in that situation it is strictly better not to move your Medivacs. So the casters are fine. Pretty sure they did not claim what you think they did, but maybe I just missed it. when your marines come out of the dropship stimmied, they have enough movement kill the pheonix if u are moving your medivacs around while dropping, atleast u might be able to fake the P out a bit with the movement and your medivac lasts just 1-2 seconds longer maybe getting out another marine But the micro required to stim each individual marine while doing that is silly and is highly unlikely to work out, not to mention that in order to kill a Phoenix you need to focus fire in that situation which is even harder. besides you arent going to be killing a pheonix if the Protoss is halfway decent and can pull a damaged one away whereas the important thing is unloading as many marines out as possible before your medivacs go down, and moving medivacs will last longer than a stationary medivac If the Protoss is halfway decent, the moving medivacs won't last any longer than a stationary medivac, since the phoenix just need to roughly shadow the medivacs to have full dps. To be honest, stationary and moving medivacs barely make any difference in this case though. In both cases you will probably not get a phoenix.
btw moving does make a difference, cause in theory u can split your medivacs, one goes north, your 2nd medivac goes south for example
then this is guarenteed more lasting time for your medivacs than if u just stood in place
yea its not a big difference but which do u think is better?
im pretty sure i see T players keep moving and drop out of their medivacs on the move rather than stand in place, more often than not
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