★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
8%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 2?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (25)
64%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (9)
23%
★★★ - Good game (4)
10%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
3%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
39 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 3?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (11)
34%
★★★ - Good game (6)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (5)
16%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
16%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
16%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
73%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 2?
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (5)
42%
★★★ - Good game (4)
33%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (4)
27%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
27%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
82%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (4)
80%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★ - Good game (4)
40%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★★ - Good game (6)
67%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (5)
63%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (7)
58%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
36%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
- Nerchio is at ~ 11.63 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 39.01 % of the time Nerchio wins and their chances go up to ~ 18.64 %. ~ 60.99 % of the time Nerchio loses and their chances go down to ~ 7.15 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MC is at ~ 61.54 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 57.38 % of the time MC wins and their chances go up to ~ 75.01 %. ~ 42.62 % of the time MC loses and their chances go down to ~ 43.42 %. ------------------------------------------------- - San is at ~ 99.92 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 71.70 % of the time San wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.99 %. ~ 28.30 % of the time San loses and their chances go down to ~ 99.74 %. ------------------------------------------------- - BlinG is at ~ 3.64 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 31.91 % of the time BlinG wins and their chances go up to ~ 6.75 %. ~ 68.09 % of the time BlinG loses and their chances go down to ~ 2.18 %.
Actually I want maths done about it. If San wins the group, he has 66% chance to play his bad match-up and 33% chance to play his okay match-up. If he finishes second, he has 66% to play the match-up he is the best in the world at, and 33% chance to play his okay match-up. Difference between losing in Ro8 and hitting the Ro4 is 2500 (7500 vs 5000). Difference between Ro16 and Ro8 is 2000 (5000 vs 3000). It's hard to quantify the risk that you take by losing a series, because you are obviously in more risk to lose the group. I wonder how much impact it has whether Nerchio beats MC or not, because you take a greater risk if you're playing the last match vs MC than you do vs Nerchio (based on San's record, not MC & Nerchio's skill).
Can we quantify whether San is making a mistake by attempting to win the group?
Basically he would be betting 2000 to win a total of 4500, so he needs things to work out ~44% of the time for the gamble to be profitable. I have a hard time thinking that's not the case.
On March 28 2014 12:46 Nebuchad wrote: Actually I want maths done about it. If San wins the group, he has 66% chance to play his bad match-up and 33% chance to play his okay match-up. If he finishes second, he has 66% to play the match-up he is the best in the world at, and 33% chance to play his okay match-up. Difference between losing in Ro8 and hitting the Ro4 is 2500 (7500 vs 5000). Difference between Ro16 and Ro8 is 2000 (5000 vs 3000). It's hard to quantify the risk that you take by losing a series, because you are obviously in more risk to lose the group. I wonder how much impact it has whether Nerchio beats MC or not, because you take a greater risk if you're playing the last match vs MC than you do vs Nerchio (based on San's record, not MC & Nerchio's skill).
Can we quantify whether San is making a mistake by attempting to win the group?
Basically he would be betting 2000 to win a total of 4500, so he needs things to work out ~44% of the time for the gamble to be profitable. I have a hard time thinking that's not the case.
Hmm, I like questions like this, but I have a feeling he's just going to play to win and worry about the Ro8 later.
Hmmm not a huge Nerchio fan to be honest but for the swarm! :D San/Nerchio the most likely result aside from the all-Korean victory.Then again Bling could surprise us all again! Not likely though, predicting a 4th place for him.
Looks like WCS EU will go from 8pm CEST to 11 pm CEST and WCS AM will start at 11pm CEST every day from the 10th of April to the 13th of April. Looks like 2 bo5 a day.
Edit: Twitch opened a new datacenter in Paris today btw
- Nerchio is at ~ 11.63 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 39.01 % of the time Nerchio wins and their chances go up to ~ 18.64 %. ~ 60.99 % of the time Nerchio loses and their chances go down to ~ 7.15 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MC is at ~ 61.54 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 57.38 % of the time MC wins and their chances go up to ~ 75.01 %. ~ 42.62 % of the time MC loses and their chances go down to ~ 43.42 %. ------------------------------------------------- - San is at ~ 99.92 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 71.70 % of the time San wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.99 %. ~ 28.30 % of the time San loses and their chances go down to ~ 99.74 %. ------------------------------------------------- - BlinG is at ~ 3.64 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 31.91 % of the time BlinG wins and their chances go up to ~ 6.75 %. ~ 68.09 % of the time BlinG loses and their chances go down to ~ 2.18 %.
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
why is it SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him to play Stardust than Welmu? Also I doubt anyone is that confident vs the people in this group that they would intentionally lose a match.
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
why is it SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him to play Stardust than Welmu? Also I doubt anyone is that confident vs the people in this group that they would intentionally lose a match.
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
If you are San, you don't give a fuck. Jokes aside: San's PvP is top level and he ha no problem facing koreans, especially if they are notorious cheeky ones like Stardust. Welmu's much more of an incognite, giving that he 1 is known for being able to beat koreans 2 way less replays to study
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
why is it SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him to play Stardust than Welmu? Also I doubt anyone is that confident vs the people in this group that they would intentionally lose a match.
I thought the pairings for Ro8 were (semi)random, do you know for a fact that group C faces group D? Cause yeah in that case he obv has no incentive.
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
why is it SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him to play Stardust than Welmu? Also I doubt anyone is that confident vs the people in this group that they would intentionally lose a match.
I thought the pairings for Ro8 were (semi)random, do you know for a fact that group C faces group D? Cause yeah in that case he obv has no incentive.
I'm not 100% sure I just looked at the previous season of WCS EU and Group D was against Group C. Maybe it is random.
On March 28 2014 12:21 Nebuchad wrote: I'm curious if San will try to end second in this group, because that would be SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him than first.
I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention/care about that, I am missing something?
why is it SO INCREDIBLY MUCH better for him to play Stardust than Welmu? Also I doubt anyone is that confident vs the people in this group that they would intentionally lose a match.
I thought the pairings for Ro8 were (semi)random, do you know for a fact that group C faces group D? Cause yeah in that case he obv has no incentive.
I'm not 100% sure I just looked at the previous season of WCS EU and Group D was against Group C. Maybe it is random.
Group winners play second place finishers, players from the same group cant meet before the final
Everyone seems to know the score They've seen it all before They just know They're so sure That BlinG's Gonna throw it away Gonna blow it away But I know they can play 'Cause I remember...
So many jokes, so many sneers But all those oh-so-nears Wear you down Through the years But I still see that proxy by DeMuslim And when Bling macroed JohnnyRecco microing the lings And Ziktomini Dancing
Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
I assume the healing has more to do with mines than anything. Storms as well, but it makes playing against them a bit more forgiving.
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
To counter the new speedivacs.
Sure but what does heal have to do with it? Mutalisks are strong enough as they are.
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
A +0.25 speed and +1 hp/s bonus since HOTS was released. I believe it was to combat the speedvacs.
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
On March 29 2014 02:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Stargate is only counter to muta. That's what I hate so much in HoTS
Not even counter, just lets you combat them, just like collosi lets you combat swarmhosts, nothing else is even capable to fight it.
Mass tempest laughs at SH.
They don't but, they are decent. Anyways how do you get to mass tempest againt swarm host without collo ? You don't.
Of course you don´t. First you get colossi and then start adding tempest. JD vs Hasu is a great example what happens against mass tempest. There was also a match in PL, maybe Roro or Soulkey where toss did the same.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
8%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
29%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
8%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 02:32 maartendq wrote: Not intending to balance whine, just a thing I've been genuinely wondering: why did blizzard give the mutalisks both a somewhat ridiculous healing ability and a speed bonus? I can understand the latter, but the former has always been kind of superfluous to me..
To counter the new speedivacs.
Sure but what does heal have to do with it? Mutalisks are strong enough as they are.
IIRC the argument was that between mines and constant marine production mutas were out of the action for too long. It was part of the general faster=better philosophy.
On March 29 2014 02:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Stargate is only counter to muta. That's what I hate so much in HoTS
Not even counter, just lets you combat them, just like collosi lets you combat swarmhosts, nothing else is even capable to fight it.
Mass tempest laughs at SH.
They don't but, they are decent. Anyways how do you get to mass tempest againt swarm host without collo ? You don't.
Of course you don´t. First you get colossi and then start adding tempest. JD vs Hasu is a great example what happens against mass tempest. There was also a match in PL, maybe Roro or Soulkey where toss did the same.
It's funny how swarmhosts are not only the msot boring units in the game, but they also force ur opponent to make boring units :D
On March 29 2014 02:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Stargate is only counter to muta. That's what I hate so much in HoTS
Not even counter, just lets you combat them, just like collosi lets you combat swarmhosts, nothing else is even capable to fight it.
Mass tempest laughs at SH.
They don't but, they are decent. Anyways how do you get to mass tempest againt swarm host without collo ? You don't.
Of course you don´t. First you get colossi and then start adding tempest. JD vs Hasu is a great example what happens against mass tempest. There was also a match in PL, maybe Roro or Soulkey where toss did the same.
It's funny how swarmhosts are not only the msot boring units in the game, but they also force ur opponent to make boring units :D
Hmm surprised he didn't go all out aggression there but of course it's easy for us to say that he doesn't know how far along the colossus production is
On March 29 2014 02:54 Morbidius wrote: What? After that blunder by nerchio i alttabed out, being sure MC would go for the kill. How did Nerchio hold that?
On March 29 2014 02:54 Morbidius wrote: What? After that blunder by nerchio i alttabed out, being sure MC would go for the kill. How did Nerchio hold that?
Insanely good positioning before the engagement. Basically surrounded whole MC army on creep and there were no FFs.
On March 29 2014 02:54 Morbidius wrote: What? After that blunder by nerchio i alttabed out, being sure MC would go for the kill. How did Nerchio hold that?
Haha same, I was actually typing a message on how foreigners lack cutthroat abilities, now I feel silly.
On March 29 2014 02:54 Morbidius wrote: What? After that blunder by nerchio i alttabed out, being sure MC would go for the kill. How did Nerchio hold that?
perfect concave on creep, perfect abducts, perfect targeting
So I did some annoyingly statistic maths, and if you believe the stats from aligulac, San loses equity by trying to finish second. He is giving up 368 euros of equity by risking losing the group, and he only wins 238 euros of equity by facing first placers instead of second placers. I dispute those results based on my belief that San is way worse PvT than aligulac makes him out to be (60% to win vs MMA feels very very high to me), but I still have to give them, especially given how much fucking time I spent to get them.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
39 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
And this is why I complained when Nerchio took 15 minutes too long with finishing up the last game. He had a huge advantage that game by catching MC with his pants down, but if he can't do that and has to play a game on equal terms, he stands no chance against MC.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
39 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 02:59 maartendq wrote: And this is why I complained when Nerchio took 15 minutes too long with finishing up the last game. He had a huge advantage that game by catching MC with his pants down, but if he can't do that and has to play a game on equal terms, he stands no chance against MC.
Nerchio only came back because MC missed that he was too far in the Open. Awesome execution to get back in the game, but he was still behind for all but about 60s there.
On March 29 2014 03:00 wongfeihung wrote: Some of the best Blink micro I've seen in a good while. Then again, I don't watch that much, but it was still incredible.
Micro was good, but it's mostly due to upgrades, also if he didn't lose his vipers until ultras were out it would of been way different, Nerchio just didn't had Ultras and Vipers both ready at any point when he fought.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
16%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend MC vs. Nerchio Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 03:01 priestnoob wrote: Fucking MC stop falling behind for the more spectacular win, it's making me so nervous (yet so hyped at the same time :S)
To be fair, his forcefields really didn't do all that much. Sure they cut off some units but if those sentries were stalkers instead that would've been even more one-sided. Not a game decided by FF at all.
Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
I'd rather watch a 3 hour swarm host game than another soul trian
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
I'd rather watch a 3 hour swarm host game than another soul trian
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
I'd rather watch a 3 hour swarm host game than another soul trian
Firecake would be happy to oblige I think.
He was killed by a soultrain on Yeonsu. Soul train killing fun
I don't honestly know if I prefer to watch swarmhosts or stupid numbers of mutalisks. Granted the worst muta games are better than the worst swarmhost ones by far, but.. god >.< the nightmares
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
That wasn't even fast and furious. It was three force fields into 14 sentries. A blind man could have seen that punch coming the way MC telegraphed it, everything was so slow.
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
That third game wasn't your regular just-execute-it soul train though. Seen MC do this build a few times before on Heavy Rain, very malleable build, that uses unlimited sentry energy to decide exactly what to build and when to attack.
On March 29 2014 03:29 digmouse wrote: I just tuned in, 1 hour and a half to just finish one best of 3? I assume a lot of Swarm Hosts are made?
Not a single one. Long drawn out death animation from MC in game 1 after Nerchio surprised him with mass muta, Big roach hydra vs Stalker collo battles in game 2, and soul train game 3 :D
On March 29 2014 03:29 digmouse wrote: I just tuned in, 1 hour and a half to just finish one best of 3? I assume a lot of Swarm Hosts are made?
Not a single one. Long drawn out death animation from MC in game 1 after Nerchio surprised him with mass muta, Big roach hydra vs Stalker collo battles in game 2, and soul train game 3 :D
Oh that's cool, gonna catch up with the VODs then, thanks!
On March 29 2014 03:24 NovaMB wrote: I'd rather watch a 3 hour swarm host game than another soul trian
Well, to each his own as they say. If I want to play some slow, hour long games I go with some 4X or grand strategy games. RTS to me is all about the action and the momentum, and nothing kills momentum faster than swarm hosts, since they basically force any game into a slow grind. So I'd personally rather watch 10 cannon rushes/10-pools/bunker rushes each than a single swarm host/tempest game. But hey, maybe that's just me.
On March 29 2014 03:29 digmouse wrote: I just tuned in, 1 hour and a half to just finish one best of 3? I assume a lot of Swarm Hosts are made?
Not a single one. Long drawn out death animation from MC in game 1 after Nerchio surprised him with mass muta, Big roach hydra vs Stalker collo battles in game 2, and soul train game 3 :D
Oh that's cool, gonna catch up with the VODs then, thanks!
NP! I recommend game 1 if you like scrappy protoss play and game 2 if you like back and forth momentum swings
On March 29 2014 03:23 sigm wrote: Hahaha, those poll results for game 3 recommendations. Much angry, bitter zerg tears to be had, no doubt. Still, you can't deny it was at least more interesting than hour-long swarm host turtlefests. I'd rather see all games end in a fast and furious fashion, rather than seeing one player slowly suffocate for 40 minutes before tapping out.
I'd rather watch a 3 hour swarm host game than another soul trian
Never. In soul trains, there is at least action. SOMETHING HAPPENING
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
73%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
Happy Birthday!
On March 29 2014 03:46 sharkie wrote: How was Nerchio vs MC? one sided games?
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:46 sharkie wrote: How was Nerchio vs MC? one sided games?
Pretty good series with varied games. First was muta war with Nerchio on top from the start, second was fast third stargate vs roach hydra and MC making a great comeback after pretty much throwing the game, third was soultrain 2base.
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
"I will swallow a sword if San makes it out of this group Tasteless!"
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
Yeah Artosis said something like "San is the worst player in GSL"
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
absolutely true but even after his 2 Ro4 runs in ManZenith mode he still only had a 33% win rate in PvP with his wins coming against LegalMind and WhiteRa lol
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Great second game! What I feel, though, is that Bling has to force San into another big mistake like he made last game because San might not make it on his own.
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
Except Artosis said that based on the pylon block thingy and a group where he got destroyed in PvP, so PvP was really the factor that led Artosis to say that about him. If you look at what he did overall, it wasn't that bad, he beat Maru and Hyperdub in PvT (I only remember phoenixes were involved vs Hyperdub, but he can't have been that bad). I don't mean to say he was good, but nobody was actually good at that time.
On March 29 2014 03:45 Shellshock wrote: following San since the early GSL days, it's so weird to seem him be a strong PvP player. He used to be sooooooooooo bad in the match up
He was bad at the game in general, not just any one matchup. And I don't just mean things like blocking his expo with a pylon, but his overall tense, nervous demeanor that led to him fumbling his way through matches. What was is that Artosis said about him, that he's the absolute worst SC2 progamer of all time or something like that? That is, until he went full ManZenith mode, but that's another story.
"I will swallow a sword if San makes it out of this group Tasteless!"
2-0 2-0
4 years later no sword has been swallowed.
Sans biggest weakness is that hes older than Taeja, so he never gets food
On March 29 2014 03:57 Shellshock wrote: absolutely true but even after his 2 Ro4 runs in ManZenith mode he still only had a 33% win rate in PvP with his wins coming against LegalMind and WhiteRa lol
Well, PvP has always been the most wonky of all matchups, especially in those golden years of 4gates all day every day. San just happened to be worse at 4gates than most other protoss players.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Would have been amazing if BlinG just transferred probes to his 3rd and stayed on 2 bases, then waited for +2, thermal lance, and he would have been safely ahead of San.
So hard to make those decisions though, especially when you don't see the entire map.. XD GG San!
On March 29 2014 04:10 Shellshock wrote: Bling played pretty well but the bad news for him is he's never beaten Nerchio in HoTS and is 2-17 against him in sc2 total
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Bling vs. San Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 04:29 bartus88 wrote: Wasn't San known as a PvP specialist in the past? Kinda weird how according to these stats it's his weakest match-up.
not that I know of. He's usually had pretty bad pvp. He was used as a PvZ sniper typically in GSTL to take out players like Life
On March 29 2014 04:29 bartus88 wrote: Wasn't San known as a PvP specialist in the past? Kinda weird how according to these stats it's his weakest match-up.
They are wcs only stats, guess he just had a bad run. I don't think he was ever a pvp specialist, though.
On March 29 2014 04:29 bartus88 wrote: Wasn't San known as a PvP specialist in the past? Kinda weird how according to these stats it's his weakest match-up.
On March 29 2014 04:29 bartus88 wrote: Wasn't San known as a PvP specialist in the past? Kinda weird how according to these stats it's his weakest match-up.
They are wcs only stats, guess he just had a bad run. I don't think he was ever a pvp specialist, though.
If anything he was more known as just a general build order specialist because lots of progamers used to cite him in interviews as helping them with builds
On March 29 2014 04:34 pajoondies wrote: LOL ToD and apollo def hate each others guts
Nah I doubt it. All in good humour.
i would hope so, but i have seen ToD mention clashing stances on balance with Apollo before in twitch chats =\ but i digress! don't need no dramacraft!
On March 29 2014 04:34 pajoondies wrote: LOL ToD and apollo def hate each others guts
Nah I doubt it. All in good humour.
i would hope so, but i have seen ToD mention clashing stances on balance with Apollo before in twitch chats =\ but i digress! don't need no dramacraft!
Well balance is something you can argue about and still be perfectly friendly right? :D
On March 29 2014 04:34 pajoondies wrote: LOL ToD and apollo def hate each others guts
Nah I doubt it. All in good humour.
i would hope so, but i have seen ToD mention clashing stances on balance with Apollo before in twitch chats =\ but i digress! don't need no dramacraft!
Well balance is something you can argue about and still be perfectly friendly right? :D
No, you must be angry at all times while discussing balance.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
82%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (9)
82%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 04:34 pajoondies wrote: LOL ToD and apollo def hate each others guts
Nah I doubt it. All in good humour.
i would hope so, but i have seen ToD mention clashing stances on balance with Apollo before in twitch chats =\ but i digress! don't need no dramacraft!
Well balance is something you can argue about and still be perfectly friendly right? :D
No, you must be angry at all times while discussing balance.
I can't really explain it, but. San plays protoss like a terran.
Best way to explain would be that his style is similar to Korean Terrans when they offrace on their stream. Personally I'm a big fan of his zealot heavy style.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
20%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
5 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
50%
★★★ - Good game (2)
25%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 05:06 Qwerty85 wrote: MC looks like he doesn't have the confidence in his PvP anymore. As far as I know, he lost to every good Korean protoss recently
This. He played solid games against herO in Saolo Paulo, and then it's been downhill.
On March 29 2014 05:03 aZealot wrote: MC sent a squad of Zealots for a flank but then never used them in the flank. :-/
San, comprehensively the better player. But, MC looked off his game, I have to say.
I agree with what the casters said about MC's lack of aggressiveness in these games. It's like his killer instinct just didn't show up
Yeah, one of the reasons I have always liked MC is that he has rarely, if ever, second guessed himself. His hallmark is complete commitment to his gameplan, and a willingness to totally seize the moment if he thinks it presents itself.
But, this was a hesitant performance by MC. I found it a little painful to watch. Kudos to San, though. WP by him.
On March 29 2014 05:06 Qwerty85 wrote: MC looks like he doesn't have the confidence in his PvP anymore. As far as I know, he lost to every good Korean protoss recently
He's had a pretty terrible month of March in PvP Results for MC after 2014-03-01.
On March 29 2014 05:06 Qwerty85 wrote: MC looks like he doesn't have the confidence in his PvP anymore. As far as I know, he lost to every good Korean protoss recently
He's had a pretty terrible month of March in PvP Results for MC after 2014-03-01.
Who IS that guy who's always asking for map vetoes?
every time I watch a european event that guy is there
edit: it's like
"oh hey you veto'd this map?" *smiles* "hey look at what your opponent just veto'd" "oh you're going to veto THAT" *grins* "yo bro check out this veto" *smile* *laugh* *smile*
On March 29 2014 05:20 Incognoto wrote: Who IS that guy who's always asking for map vetoes?
every time I watch a european event that guy is there
edit: it's like
"oh hey you veto'd this map?" *smiles* "hey look at what your opponent just veto'd" "oh you're going to veto THAT" *grins* "yo bro check out this veto" *smile* *laugh* *smile*
even his twitter page has pictures of him doing map vetoes.
edit: ninaj'd
edit: @undead: you don't get it. it's like the guy manages to put on a show with map vetos. he just does it right. i'm not criticizing, i'm admiring the guy. for some reason
even his twitter page has pictures of him doing map vetoes.
edit: ninaj'd
edit: @undead: you don't get it. it's like the guy manages to put on a show with map vetos. he just does it right. i'm not criticizing, i'm admiring the guy. for some reason
even his twitter page has pictures of him doing map vetoes.
edit: ninaj'd
edit: @undead: you don't get it. it's like the guy manages to put on a show with map vetos. he just does it right. i'm not criticizing, i'm admiring the guy. for some reason
oh ok i misunderstood, sorry
it's fine; i have a hard time understanding it myself
god if someone could shop this guy next to obama asking for his vetos i'd find it ridiculously funny.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★ - Good game (4)
40%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★ - Good game (4)
40%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
On March 29 2014 05:35 Incognoto wrote: poor bling, he looks really unhappy. but seriously he went against the beast that is MC and nerchio is still a beast right now
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
33%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★ - Good game (5)
63%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
13%
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 05:51 Zenbrez wrote: Nerchio didn't know how to play against protoss? He had one matchup to practice for weeks. -.-
thats why you even saw him try to go double upgrades lings and then queen/infestor in the first place. he used to only do muta/corruptor or hydra/roach/ultra timings
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
19%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
13%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
I think a repeating factor highlighting today's matches is the failure to sacrifice a 3rd/4th base. MC and San capitalizing on the defenders really pressed to greedily defend rushed bases vs timing attacks/all ins.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
well there's a reason most of them picked the race they play
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
36%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (1)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★ - Good game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
36%
★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (2)
18%
★★★ - Good game (2)
18%
★ - Do not see this game no matter what (2)
18%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games of the season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
Welcome to what everyone has been saying since WoL beta
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I guess I don't know what I expected. It just feels dirty to cheer for protoss even though I play it.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I guess I don't know what I expected. It just feels dirty to cheer for protoss even though I play it.
I never feel dirty cheering Protoss, even if in my own games I never cheese and only sometimes all-in (usually reactively).
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend,
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend,
Exactly. I'm not blaming MC, I just want there to be other options for a protoss to win. Sorry if I didn't get that across correctly.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend,
What do you guys expect, 3 hatch no gas vs 4 gate pressure
Its like i play terran and go 3 cc before rax and complain about proxy oracle Its not like MC did some OP or stupid stuff.. he choose to play a pressure build and was lucky (or did he react to scouting nerchio?) how things played out with Nerchios BO
I wonder why Zergs dont simply go 3 hatch speedling more often and overrun the Protoss with Lings if he doesnt have a forge like Leenock does very often.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend.
I think it's fine that an aggressive 4gate should punish 3 hatch no gas super eco build. Now if the same build was viable against pretty much everything Zerg did then yeah, that would be a problem...
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend,
God, your tears are d.e.l.i.c.i.o.u.s.
You strike me as someone who either cannot or does not wish to comprehend what anyone else is saying unless they agree with you. Possibly both. Anyway, if you cannot have a conversation above a fifth grade level, good luck.
On March 29 2014 06:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I wanted MC to win, but not like this (._. )
This is how protoss in general and MC in particular always win. It's like cheering for Parting but hating the immortal all in.
I just wish there were some super good protoss players who didn't use lame strats. I have to cheer for zerg players most of the time just to feel less dirty.
You play to win. What did you expect, an agreement to NR 15 and then meet in the middle and fight like "gentleman"?
And, yes! MC pulls out an MC-esque win. I so enjoy seeing Zerg stomped hard like that (especially when MC does it).
I think the point was, make those strats less good and other strats less bad, not that MC did something wrong. This insistence that any criticism of a playstyle or how a race plays is taken as faulting the player is becoming irritating, it's intellectually dishonest and simply untrue.
Your stupid example of "Lulz is not NR 15 guise" perfectly illustrates this exceedingly annoying trend,
What do you guys expect, 3 hatch no gas vs 4 gate pressure
Its like i play terran and go 3 cc before rax and complain about proxy oracle Its not like MC did some OP or stupid stuff.. he choose to play a pressure build and was lucky (or did he react to scouting nerchio?) how things played out with Nerchios BO
Which of course would be a valid point if what I wrote was somehow a point to the game that was just played. It wasn't. It was aimed at the general trend of TL of deriding anything that expresses disappointment with the quality of a game because the only thing that counts is winning.
If MMA still had the Slayers Hive Mind behind him, Snute would now be cuddeling himself and praying that the ESL studio burns down so he doesnt have to play
Gonna be a good and close match i think, hopefully MMA feels better than in his group that was painfull..
San luckboxed the draw very violently, he has a better chance vs Welmu than vs a terran, he has a better chance vs MMA than vs jjakji, and he also has a better chance vs Snute than vs VortiX imo.
I liked how they had Dayshi say like two words before they took the mic again.
On March 29 2014 06:56 Skynx wrote: Stardust > MC Vortix > Jjakji MMA < Snute San < Welmu
Vortix > Stardust Snute < Welmu
Vortix > Welmu
!
So basically an Earth2 outcome with 2 foreigners in the finals? Would be interesting but I doubt it...
I'm confident with EU zergs, I don't think anyone left in tournament can beat San except Welmu. Rest is just yolo
Stardust, jjakji, and MMA could all provide problems. Stardust did manage to beat him the first time they met at ASUS ROG even though San came back to crush him later in the tournament. I don't think there is a zerg strong enough in wcs eu to beat him unless he plays terribly that day
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tOxcBRU.png)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/30/Writers_Icon.png/15px-Writers_Icon.png){kind=icon}
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png)
WCS EU
TaKeTV
ESLtv Poland
TheArgie
EmpireTV![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/640.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1771.jpg)
MC vs 
Nerchio ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2837.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1853.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
jjakji![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l5YZ8.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/king_arthur.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hRdnFl2.jpg)
