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hipo
France482 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:20 Rollora wrote: oh right, we never saw a good player lose to a foreigner... like supernova never lost against scarlett, or MVP never lost to stephano... Btw never saw a Korean Pro losing to a non korean Terran. How so? Jaedong  | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:19 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wow you seem pretty mad Remember when terrans were telling protoss to put their buildings in non-snipeable locations? And then protoss learned. A lot of terrans already have and have held blink all ins better because of it. Bbyong didn't, he got stim sniped and with it any chance of holding it. I think at the point when stim would have finished Bbyong was down double the supply of his opponent. Stim is an amazing ability but it isn't that amazing so I wouldn't dare say it could make something out of that. I mean maybe if blink had finished at the time when it was sniped then maybe something could be done if herO messes up but beyond that it seems unlikely. Edit: I meant to say 15 seconds before it was sniped. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:14 imrusty269 wrote: The culture of blaming the victims. They were ASKING FOR IT! that's just wrong. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:17 Rollora wrote: He maybe thinks controling 4 different unit types from 3 different "tiers" is as hard as blinking with one  Doesn't matter how difficult a strategy is, if it wins games players will go for it, you don't need 500 apm to do a cannon rush vs zerg, and you don't need to be innovative with your strategy doing a 12 minute roach max, or a 1-1-1 vs protoss, but when popular players like stephano or boxer or naniwa or maru does it it's fine. Then a popular player gets cheesed out then suddenly people act like the players using the strategy are "those guys". On March 07 2014 22:13 imrusty269 wrote: On one hand you have 15 yo Life who refuses to play Daedalus point against protoss, one the other you have guys like herO. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:16 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'd say that there's a pretty big difference between having stim and not having stim. Dunno if he would have held but putting it there is begging for it to be sniped First blink and first time warp is most important for successful or failed blink. You won't have stim by that time anyway because you are forced to open reaper, then go for a reactor instead of tech lab on your first barracks etc. As someone said, only place to put the barracks would maybe be next to the top gas so rax are deeper inside his base but tech lab would still be pointing towards protoss anyway.Also, what decides the outcome is if protoss will blink where terran has no army and if he will drop a time warp to prolong terran getting into a position. Even with the MSC vision nerf and increased energy cost for MSC they can obviously still do that so blink is still strong and very common. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
oh really? Cool didn't know. when, who? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12377 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:18 xN.07)MaK wrote: No one is blaming him. But I particularly don't like so many successful blink all ins. Like you can just open the quote and see someone blaming him, which is what is being answered. Seriously. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
Dayshi. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:23 Morbidius wrote: Did the MSC vision change even do something to blink allins? Tossers still seem to blink in ezpz. ofc not, only if there is a balance change, allows the MSC only to be in certain range of the Nexus would change these agressive early blink timings without robo | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:23 Morbidius wrote: Did the MSC vision change even do something to blink allins? Tossers still seem to blink in ezpz. It helps, but obviously it doesn't kill the build. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
Yo, Chinese esports serious passion. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:20 Rollora wrote: oh right, we never saw a good player lose to a foreigner... like supernova never lost against scarlett, or MVP never lost to stephano... Btw never saw a Korean Pro losing to a non korean Terran. How so? Wait you mean the one who won back-to-back IEM titles right? The one who is ranked #1 Protoss in the world on Aligulac right? Ya I thought that's the herO you were talking about. Clearly the best herO! | ||
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Lecon
12 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:18 Adreme wrote: The reason its easy to transition out of now (as opposed to before) is that attacks like that have a base amount of damage they have to do for you to not be dead to a timing follow up. This is true for many attacks of that ilk but the advantage now is that since it no longer requires a robo and requires more prep by the terran that number was lowered which makes it less of an all in and more in that in between area between pressure and allin. Yeah agreed, it's why I called it a blink timing rather than allin. It seems no matter what the terran does against it, he's always behind after the timing ends or dead. It's not even blink only that causes the problems in TvP. It's the staggering amount of options protoss has from the early to late game and the massive lack of options for terrans. I just wish that there was something that terran could do to punish toss in the early / mid game. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:21 Caihead wrote: Doesn't matter how difficult a strategy is, if it wins games players will go for it, you don't need 500 apm to do a cannon rush vs zerg, and you don't need to be innovative with your strategy doing a 12 minute roach max, or a 1-1-1 vs protoss, but when popular players like stephano or boxer or naniwa or maru does it it's fine. Then a popular player gets cheesed out then suddenly people act like the players using the strategy are "those guys". herO is much more popular than Byong. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
So you answered like 50% of the question, now the tournament and time pls And wow, it happened so often 1 time, really?Not like Naniwa, Socke, Dimaga, Scarlett or Stephano did that more often by their own than all foreigner Terrans together. Oh and I am talking macrogames, not cheese btw | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
Terran is much more popular than anything else right now. | ||
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Panozen
248 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:16 Lecon wrote: The timing hits simply too fast because of MSC (no robo) and too hard because of time warp. Stim or no stim a competent Blink timing is rediculously hard to hold without taking massive losses. Doesn't help that it's relatively easy to transition out of blink into a macro game. Meh... They should leash it to the nexus, just let it be able to recall armies to it. No more retarded offensive timewarps+this no-robo blink allin shit | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:26 Rollora wrote: So you answered like 50% of the question, now the tournament and time pls And wow, it happened so often 1 time, really?Not like Naniwa, Socke, Dimaga, Scarlett or Stephano did that more often by their own than all foreigner Terrans together. Oh and I am talking macrogames, not cheese btw Theres Jinro, but he was nothing but a 2raxer after 2010. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On March 07 2014 22:25 ArTiFaKs wrote: Wait you mean the one who won back-to-back IEM titles right? The one who is ranked #1 Protoss in the world on Aligulac right? Ya I thought that's the herO you were talking about. Clearly the best herO! I am not sure, which HerO you mean now, I was refering to this guy here: (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/222_HerO ), but doesn't matter anyway, we won't find out by just arguing about it, right? Just saying can't be said that easily, everyone has his ups and downs. | ||
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