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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:15 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? I guess, there is nothing shameful in losing to Zest, herO, YongHwa and Bravo. Code A tournament level is higher than almost every IEM/Dreamhack. And Inno is failing against Protoss not first day. Glorious day of almost 90% winrate are behind. eh, I feel like losing to bravo as flash/innovation would be kind of embarrassing.
You're not getting caught by SKT T1 just for lulz.
So there is nothing embarassing.
People just think that Flash has to be top-1 in the world again alongside with JD just because they were Gods of BW.
And InNoVation was a God just few months ago.
But with that amount of competition which is in HotS right now, i don't think you can find something embarassing.
At least, when everyone is playing on 100% of their abilities.
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your Country52797 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:18 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S?  Why no, I enjoy my posting privileges, thank you very much! :D Don't wanna get any of that TL-
TL- is a disease, common symptoms are suddenly induced rage and irrational thoughts such as imbalance and dead game
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On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.
Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups.
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OH MY GOD BUNNY, YES, YES! So happy
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Are the VODS ready? I need to see this series =D
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On February 19 2014 07:19 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:18 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 07:17 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
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wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.
lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S? Why no, I enjoy my posting privileges, thank you very much! :D Don't wanna get any of that TL- TL- is a disease, common symptoms are suddenly induced rage and irrational thoughts such as imbalance and dead game
So you're saying having TL- means you think a dead game is unbalanced?
Since SC2 isn't dead you'd probably be thinking of a different game then, in which case you'd be in the wrong forum anyway and have no use of being able to post here.
Sounds good to me.
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On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups.
This guy!
Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again?
Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP?
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On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP?
Ahh, you are on the taunt Terran players and defend Naniwa-mode today again! ^^
I understand you are angry cause your favourite lost, but come on 
Naniwa did not deserve it today. He did not have any soul in his game.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:50 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
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wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.
lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? Ahh, you are on the taunt Terran players and defend Naniwa-mode today again! ^^ I understand you are angry cause your favourite lost, but come on Naniwa did not deserve it today. He did not have any soul in his game.
I think you're either mistaking me for someone else or misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not talking about Naniwa.
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On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP?
You win this round.
edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
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wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.
lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters.
I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/
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On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
naniwa had easy runs in code s
wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well. that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal. lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again?
This post, plus a TB quote in your signature, makes me feel like you're a troll.
On February 19 2014 08:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
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lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters. I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/
He doesn't, he's balance whining. Terran UP, mods OP.
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On February 19 2014 08:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
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lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters. I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/
He fears something, and I have a feeling it rhymes with hanbammer. ;p
There's stupid, unsubstantiated whine, and then there's interesting times like these that make us wonder... so I feel him in that regard. And I feel his not wanting to be banned for the former when he's only worrying about the latter too.
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On February 19 2014 08:06 boxerfred wrote:
This post, plus a TB quote in your signature, makes me feel like you're a troll.
Pot calling the kettle black much?
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On February 19 2014 08:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
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lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa. Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters. I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/
Not at all, TL mods are awesome. But you basically nailed it -- I do think that Terran is, to oversimplify, UP -- so there's not a lot more I can say that'll be constructive. The point was brought up that Code S is the epitome of SC2 skill, and I think that was a lot more true in 2013 seasons 1-3 (including OSL) than 2014 s1, athough Season 3 was already beginning to decline IMO. That was the most balanced race distribution we've ever had in GSL (iirc) and the games were top notch. To see what is in my mind a stark regression is very disheartening given how long each season lasts.
Innovation to me is a benchmark macro Terran player, like Rain is for Protoss.* He has proven that he has by far some of the best mechanics in the world, but okay-to-terrible ability to improvise and react to opponents. That to me does not spell "guaranteed finals contender" but it does spell "guaranteed top 16." If he doesn't make it to top 16, something's seriously off, because there should always be a viable standard way to play the game. No NHL team spends more time practicing against a given opponent team than they do practicing their own team synergy. The further behind he falls, the more is off with the game. Obviously that doesn't take into account the fact that he himself may be in a slump, but his losses in Code A and Cologne don't tell me that he's in a (noticeable) slump, they tell me that he has to play off his opponent more than ever, and he's failing to do that as he always has. If someone like Maru or sOs or hyvaa ( ) wants to get into his head and destroy him from the inside out, that's cool. But when every Protoss gets to be sOs vs. Innovation, that's some copyright infringement shit going on.
* it's tougher for Rain because of PvP. I really feel for the guy.
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Oh shit Bunny got through, did not expect that
Shame Naniwa didn't make it but WCS is an unforgiving format
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On February 19 2014 08:27 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 08:03 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
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Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement
Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays. At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters. I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/ Not at all, TL mods are awesome. But you basically nailed it -- I do think that Terran is, to oversimplify, UP -- so there's not a lot more I can say that'll be constructive. The point was brought up that Code S is the epitome of SC2 skill, and I think that was a lot more true in 2013 seasons 1-3 (including OSL) than 2014 s1, athough Season 3 was already beginning to decline IMO. That was the most balanced race distribution we've ever had in GSL (iirc) and the games were top notch. To see what is in my mind a stark regression is very disheartening given how long each season lasts. Innovation to me is a benchmark macro Terran player, like Rain is for Protoss.* He has proven that he has by far some of the best mechanics in the world, but okay-to-terrible ability to improvise and react to opponents. That to me does not spell "guaranteed finals contender" but it does spell "guaranteed top 16." If he doesn't make it to top 16, something's seriously off, because there should always be a viable standard way to play the game. No NHL team spends more time practicing against a given opponent team than they do practicing their own team synergy. The further behind he falls, the more is off with the game. Obviously that doesn't take into account the fact that he himself may be in a slump, but his losses in Code A and Cologne don't tell me that he's in a (noticeable) slump, they tell me that he has to play off his opponent more than ever, and he's failing to do that as he always has. If someone like Maru or sOs or hyvaa ( ) wants to get into his head and destroy him from the inside out, that's cool. But when every Protoss gets to be sOs vs. Innovation, that's some copyright infringement shit going on. * it's tougher for Rain because of PvP. I really feel for the guy.
But game isn't about macro only.
When war happen, there isn't 100% chance that country who have better upgrades, weapons and army will win. There are tons of examples where lesser armies just outsmarted them.
Same happen in sc2. Some guys like InNo are playing with power, just trying to win with their unbelievable skills and mechanics. Some guys who have lesser wrists but beautiful brains like sOs are winning with different strategies.
But it doesn't mean that sOs can't macro game and Inno can't 11/11.
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On February 19 2014 09:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Oh shit Bunny got through, did not expect that
Shame Naniwa didn't make it but WCS is an unforgiving format
Less the format and more the way he played today tbh haha but he'll be back
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On February 19 2014 09:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 08:27 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 08:03 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:57 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:43 Zealously wrote:On February 19 2014 07:42 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:36 sharkie wrote:On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
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Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.
At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber. Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway. GSL is still the epitome of skill. Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually? Like actually? On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable. Yes, Innovation and Flash were the inferior players in their groups. This guy! Fun fact. Did you know that if we buffed Zerglings to have 200 HP each, no Terran or Protoss would ever be the superior player in a group with Zerg players ever again? Did you know that making weird insinuations doesn't make it any less clear that you (seem to) think Flash and Innovation only lost because Terran is UP? You win this round. edit: then again you are a Mod, and Mods are obviously favored vs. posters. I hope you don't back out of a discussion because you think I'd ban you for disagreeing =/ Not at all, TL mods are awesome. But you basically nailed it -- I do think that Terran is, to oversimplify, UP -- so there's not a lot more I can say that'll be constructive. The point was brought up that Code S is the epitome of SC2 skill, and I think that was a lot more true in 2013 seasons 1-3 (including OSL) than 2014 s1, athough Season 3 was already beginning to decline IMO. That was the most balanced race distribution we've ever had in GSL (iirc) and the games were top notch. To see what is in my mind a stark regression is very disheartening given how long each season lasts. Innovation to me is a benchmark macro Terran player, like Rain is for Protoss.* He has proven that he has by far some of the best mechanics in the world, but okay-to-terrible ability to improvise and react to opponents. That to me does not spell "guaranteed finals contender" but it does spell "guaranteed top 16." If he doesn't make it to top 16, something's seriously off, because there should always be a viable standard way to play the game. No NHL team spends more time practicing against a given opponent team than they do practicing their own team synergy. The further behind he falls, the more is off with the game. Obviously that doesn't take into account the fact that he himself may be in a slump, but his losses in Code A and Cologne don't tell me that he's in a (noticeable) slump, they tell me that he has to play off his opponent more than ever, and he's failing to do that as he always has. If someone like Maru or sOs or hyvaa ( ) wants to get into his head and destroy him from the inside out, that's cool. But when every Protoss gets to be sOs vs. Innovation, that's some copyright infringement shit going on. * it's tougher for Rain because of PvP. I really feel for the guy. But game isn't about macro only.
Which is exactly why I said "That to me does not spell 'guaranteed finals contender' but it does spell 'guaranteed top 16.'" Because the game is not about macro only. But it should be about macro enough that one of the top 5 strongest mechanical players in the world should have a guaranteed spot in the top 16. Right now TvP isn't about macro at all unless you're ForGG, Polt, playing against Rain, or outclassing your opponent (and even then not necessarily).
Edit: hyperbole probably isn't the best way to get this point across, but I have to run, so hopefully you'll see what I meant.
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