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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 18 2014 22:09 GMT
#1481
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


So because the competition in Korea is harsh, GSL isn't a tough tournament? Got it!
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 18 2014 22:09 GMT
#1482
On February 19 2014 07:08 ThePlagueJG wrote:
Maybe a little late to post here, but I seriously wonder if he ever showed up today and to win 3 games with that kind of play surprised me. If he's not gonna try he could just get 0-4 and be done with (Sorry Im just abit upset)


You have the right too. That was sub-par naniwa today.
LiquipediaWanderer
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 22:12:18
February 18 2014 22:10 GMT
#1483
On February 19 2014 07:08 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:06 Lorning wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:06 The_Templar wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:05 Lorning wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:05 The_Templar wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:02 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement

Could it be time... for the legendary...
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even Darkhoarse posts memes/image macros T_T

I totally reported him

No you didn't. I have an screenshot of the report screen as proof.

And now I reported you. Screenshot that.

Uh huh.
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This only proves you can report yourself!

which I can't btw
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 18 2014 22:10 GMT
#1484
On February 19 2014 06:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 06:45 Zealously wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:35 nkr wrote:
Naniwa has always been arrogant and an asshole butyou get away with it when you are the best. Kinda like IdrA.


Just that they're both far from being the best

best foreigner at various times.


Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa

Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least


Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap.


Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/

He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it.


are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also.


And Stephano didn't have a run at all

Woops


He did. 0-2 Bogus, 2-0 Hack, 1-2 Bogus.


You mean infestors 0-2 Bogus, infestors 2-0 Hack, Infestors 1-2 Bogus.

That level of infestor is not that impressive imo.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 22:13:31
February 18 2014 22:11 GMT
#1485
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 18 2014 22:11 GMT
#1486
Basically, that's because Code S have 32 players and IEM have 16 + 12 are getting eliminated in open bracket.
That's only reason why IEM can be felt as "more stacked" than Code S where upsets happen and where're no invites nowdays.

God, i'm so pissed still.
Really hope that Nani won't retire.
This year will be big anyway, you can lose WCS and still be high on 1-2 Tier 1 tournaments like i guess Dreamhack will be or IEM Katowice and there are more than enough points.
With that amount of competition that exist nowdays i won't be surprised if ~3k is more than enough to attend Global Finals.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 18 2014 22:12 GMT
#1487
On February 19 2014 07:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 06:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:45 Zealously wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:41 Ragnarork wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:39 boxerfred wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:38 The_Templar wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:37 boxerfred wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:37 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:36 boxerfred wrote:
[quote]

Just that they're both far from being the best

best foreigner at various times.


Agreed on Idra, never on Naniwa

Naniwa was the best foreigner in November-December 2013 at the least


Since when does that count as a period of dominance? especially since he was never the best because of his awesome skill, but rather because there was just noone except scarlett do ever challenge him. the jinro/idra/huk/stephano times are basically over. naniwa can't fill the gap.


Yet he's gone much farther than Stephano in the GSL, multiple times, and that weighs a lot when you talk about "Best foreigner". And IMO, he's been "higher" than Idra and Huk :/

He can definitely fill the gap, even widening it. Deal with it.


are you trying to compare naniwa to stephano, the difference in success is clear to see, naniwa had easy runs in code s also.


And Stephano didn't have a run at all

Woops


He did. 0-2 Bogus, 2-0 Hack, 1-2 Bogus.


You mean infestors 0-2 Bogus, infestors 2-0 Hack, Infestors 1-2 Bogus.

That level of infestor is not that impressive imo.


Never said it was impressive, but it's a run.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 18 2014 22:12 GMT
#1488
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?


Yes
AdministratorBreak the chains
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 18 2014 22:12 GMT
#1489
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

Both Innovation and Flash are in the WCS KR system.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 18 2014 22:14 GMT
#1490
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.

WCS KR Premier and Code S are the same thing?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 18 2014 22:14 GMT
#1491
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.

Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S?

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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 22:16:14
February 18 2014 22:14 GMT
#1492
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?


I guess, there is nothing shameful in losing to Zest, herO, YongHwa and Bravo.
Code A tournament level is higher than almost every IEM/Dreamhack.

And Inno is failing against Protoss not first day. And not only Protoss.
Glorious days of almost 90% winrate in TvP and TvZ are behind for him.
Only question is how long will he wait until his resurrection.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 18 2014 22:15 GMT
#1493
On February 19 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.

Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S?



I'm sure your imagination can fill in the blanks
AdministratorBreak the chains
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 22:16:11
February 18 2014 22:15 GMT
#1494
On February 19 2014 07:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?


I guess, there is nothing shameful in losing to Zest, herO, YongHwa and Bravo.
Code A tournament level is higher than almost every IEM/Dreamhack.


And Inno is failing against Protoss not first day.
Glorious day of almost 90% winrate are behind.


eh, I feel like losing to bravo as flash/innovation would be kind of embarrassing.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
February 18 2014 22:16 GMT
#1495
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Those 11 players would likely be top 16. Code S is still great, but it isn't as preeminent as it once was. Scarlett and Genius are also probably at least top 32 caliber, as was Duckdeok.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 18 2014 22:16 GMT
#1496
On February 19 2014 07:12 stuchiu wrote:
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On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

Both Innovation and Flash are in the WCS KR system.


I edited my post a little bit. Doesn't WCS KR include Code A? If so, it's not exactly equal to Code S, which is what I take the convo to be about.

Saying "MMA and Bomber probably wouldn't get in this season" isn't exactly selling the idea that this season Code S is high skill games all day every day. It COULD mean that, but based on the content of Code A games, it really doesn't. :/

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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-18 22:20:02
February 18 2014 22:17 GMT
#1497
On February 19 2014 07:16 Salient wrote:
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On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Those 11 players would likely be top 16. Code S is still great, but it isn't as preeminent as it once was. Scarlett and Genius are also probably at least top 32 caliber, as was Duckdeok.


Duckdeok retired so I don't think he counts. Scarlett has problems with Protoss and top Terran and Zerg players like Major and Kane can still beat her. Genius of course is a God.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 18 2014 22:17 GMT
#1498
On February 19 2014 07:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
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On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?


I guess, there is nothing shameful in losing to Zest, herO, YongHwa and Bravo.
Code A tournament level is higher than almost every IEM/Dreamhack.


Haha, there is much shame in losing to BravO. ;p

Other than that, agreed. Wooki and herO topped their groups and YongHwa has a pretty good shot at advancing, they definitely deserve their spots.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
February 18 2014 22:17 GMT
#1499
On February 19 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.

Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S?



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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 18 2014 22:18 GMT
#1500
On February 19 2014 07:17 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:03 Frex wrote:
On February 19 2014 07:00 Wingblade wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:57 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:49 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 19 2014 06:44 ImperialFist wrote:

naniwa had easy runs in code s

wow, well if we are going to discredit nani, let's take the best sc2 league and discredit it as well.
that's just ridiculous, he played awfully today yes, but his code s runs were extremely difficult and phenomenal.


lol u can check threads about his groups and opponents where I say he wont lose a map because his opponents are bad. code s is also overrated just like naniwa.


Wat... The highest level SC2 competition ever, is overrated? I can't even being to describe how many facepalms are needed for that statement


Code S is not that high level this season. You got 12 players competing for royal roaders this season. Code S definitely is not the highest level of competition anymore, I would say IEM has better player line ups nowadays.


At most there are 11 players in the world not in the WCS KR system that could play at the Code S level: Stardust, ForGG, Hero, Jaedong, Polt, Taeja, San, Jjakji, MC, MMA and Bomber.

Even then I'd argue neither MMA nor Bomber could have gotten to Code S this season anyway.

GSL is still the epitome of skill.


Are you actually saying Innovation and Flash didn't get into this Code S because of skill? Actually?

Like actually?

On top of that you're equating WCS KR system with Code S, which isn't the same thing at all. It's possible for WCS KR to have almost all of the best players, but Code S not to. In fact... it is... not only possible... but... probable.

Would you like to offer your explanation for why they didn't make code S?



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