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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19340 Posts
February 10 2014 15:08 GMT
#3881
On February 11 2014 00:06 Tchado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:03 FFW_Rude wrote:
I really had a blast doing this for you guys but when i read the thread it's disgusting. Balance whine about the 3race, design bashing, game bashing. THrow some david kim here and there...

Really people... Tomorrow i will be at worK. i'll watch the finals from VODS. If i LR again and see so much whinning after it... Well that will be my last time doing LR...


Well done sir , you are fucking awesome.


Yeah. People take a lot for granted. I enjoy watching SC2. I loved having FFW_Rude LR it and would not have had such a great morning without it. But no one likes to pick a flower when it's buried in thorns.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 10 2014 15:09 GMT
#3882
On February 11 2014 00:05 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:03 Arceus wrote:
I just loved how KHAN reverts to their classic lineup and almost beats the star-studded T1 if it's not for some missteps of rorO
Meanwhile SKT doesnt look so original with only Rain left

Yeah, Khan were definately the "moral winners", like how Squirtle was the moral winner of IPL4

How dare you. There were no winners at IPL4 but aLive.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
February 10 2014 15:09 GMT
#3883
On February 10 2014 23:59 Tppz! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
So... People were whining against SH and now there's whinning against Protoss deathball while playing against swarm host ?

Are people realizing how dumb they are ?

no they arent dumb. they just hate the badly designed game. no matter who wins there is also stupidity to flame on


They hate the game and have a active account on a forum dedicated to it, kept watching 3 hours the Soulkey vs Reality and now they'll login to play some ladder games.

But they hate the game, of course.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 10 2014 15:10 GMT
#3884
On February 11 2014 00:06 sagi wrote:
GG. Btw, does anyone else find it strange that proleague, that usually is all about preparation, has playoffs on consecutive days making it almost impossible for the finalists to prepare properly? In theory if you couldn't predict the other finalist at all, KT would have had to prepare for 3 completely different scenarios.

You can prepare players for specific matchups on specific maps like reality vs SK and roro vs rain
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 10 2014 15:10 GMT
#3885
On February 11 2014 00:07 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:01 vthree wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:59 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
So... People were whining against SH and now there's whinning against Protoss deathball while playing against swarm host ?

Are people realizing how dumb they are ?

I know right? Why is no one whining about the stupid turtle mech style that made us watch 3 hours of SH for one match? It's actually Reality's fault we were forced to endure that.


He didn't force SK to make SH...

Swarm hosts are generally superior against mech when compared to other compositions. I mean the other option is roach/hydra/viper and then what do you do when all the air comes out?


And turtle mech is generally superior vs someone with the muta ling bling control of Soulkey. You can't really go 4M vs Soulkey after the nerfs. And aggressive mech gets punished by vipers.

So I don't think it is fair to pin this on Reality.

Agreed, they both picked the strategies they thought gave them the best chance to win. That's pretty much that.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 10 2014 15:11 GMT
#3886
On February 11 2014 00:09 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 23:59 Tppz! wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
So... People were whining against SH and now there's whinning against Protoss deathball while playing against swarm host ?

Are people realizing how dumb they are ?

no they arent dumb. they just hate the badly designed game. no matter who wins there is also stupidity to flame on


They hate the game and have a active account on a forum dedicated to it, kept watching 3 hours the Soulkey vs Reality and now they'll login to play some ladder games.

But they hate the game, of course.


They're surely loving the game of course. It's just that they never stop bitching, even when there's REALLY NO REASONS TO. But they love the game.

See the logical fallacy there ?
LiquipediaWanderer
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 10 2014 15:11 GMT
#3887
On February 11 2014 00:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:05 Muffloe wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:03 Arceus wrote:
I just loved how KHAN reverts to their classic lineup and almost beats the star-studded T1 if it's not for some missteps of rorO
Meanwhile SKT doesnt look so original with only Rain left

Yeah, Khan were definately the "moral winners", like how Squirtle was the moral winner of IPL4

How dare you. There were no winners at IPL4 but aLive.

Come on, be a real Startale fan and acknowledge a former protege
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 10 2014 15:12 GMT
#3888
On February 11 2014 00:11 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:05 Muffloe wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:03 Arceus wrote:
I just loved how KHAN reverts to their classic lineup and almost beats the star-studded T1 if it's not for some missteps of rorO
Meanwhile SKT doesnt look so original with only Rain left

Yeah, Khan were definately the "moral winners", like how Squirtle was the moral winner of IPL4

How dare you. There were no winners at IPL4 but aLive.

Come on, be a real Startale fan and acknowledge a former protege

I root for aLive over Startale, and he does not allow others to have "moral victories"
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 10 2014 15:13 GMT
#3889
On February 11 2014 00:07 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:01 vthree wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:59 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
So... People were whining against SH and now there's whinning against Protoss deathball while playing against swarm host ?

Are people realizing how dumb they are ?

I know right? Why is no one whining about the stupid turtle mech style that made us watch 3 hours of SH for one match? It's actually Reality's fault we were forced to endure that.


He didn't force SK to make SH...

Swarm hosts are generally superior against mech when compared to other compositions. I mean the other option is roach/hydra/viper and then what do you do when all the air comes out?


And turtle mech is generally superior vs someone with the muta ling bling control of Soulkey. You can't really go 4M vs Soulkey after the nerfs. And aggressive mech gets punished by vipers.

So I don't think it is fair to pin this on Reality.

I suppose I'll agree that from Reality's point of view, turtle mech was the best option to win. Just like from SK's point of view, SH turtle was his best chance to win. So my statement of blaming Reality is obviously wrong, though I still feel you saying he didn't force SK to make SH's is also false. He did, SK had no other choice due to how strong Sky Terran is when combined with a mech ground force.

But in any case, it's clear that there have to be a few tweaks and changes. Blizzard has already said that they won't make any large design changes outside of another expansion, so small number tweaks are the best we can hope for.
Long live the King of Wings
sagi
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland346 Posts
February 10 2014 15:14 GMT
#3890
On February 11 2014 00:10 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:06 sagi wrote:
GG. Btw, does anyone else find it strange that proleague, that usually is all about preparation, has playoffs on consecutive days making it almost impossible for the finalists to prepare properly? In theory if you couldn't predict the other finalist at all, KT would have had to prepare for 3 completely different scenarios.

You can prepare players for specific matchups on specific maps like reality vs SK and roro vs rain


True and they propably will do just that. Individual snipers will become more problematic unless you can find similar weaknesses on multiple players on different teams. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing. Just seems a bit weird considering the nature of the matches on round robin and how the team's strengths might not carry to the playoffs.
hi patrik!
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 10 2014 15:14 GMT
#3891
On February 11 2014 00:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:05 Muffloe wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:03 Arceus wrote:
I just loved how KHAN reverts to their classic lineup and almost beats the star-studded T1 if it's not for some missteps of rorO
Meanwhile SKT doesnt look so original with only Rain left

Yeah, Khan were definately the "moral winners", like how Squirtle was the moral winner of IPL4

How dare you. There were no winners at IPL4 but aLive.


What ? Everyone knows Squirtle won, come on.
LiquipediaWanderer
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
February 10 2014 15:15 GMT
#3892
On February 11 2014 00:14 sagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:10 Pangpootata wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:06 sagi wrote:
GG. Btw, does anyone else find it strange that proleague, that usually is all about preparation, has playoffs on consecutive days making it almost impossible for the finalists to prepare properly? In theory if you couldn't predict the other finalist at all, KT would have had to prepare for 3 completely different scenarios.

You can prepare players for specific matchups on specific maps like reality vs SK and roro vs rain


True and they propably will do just that. Individual snipers will become more problematic unless you can find similar weaknesses on multiple players on different teams. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing. Just seems a bit weird considering the nature of the matches on round robin and how the team's strengths might not carry to the playoffs.

But when the snipe connects, its deadly. (Oh Shine, destroyer of worlds :D)
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 10 2014 15:17 GMT
#3893
On February 11 2014 00:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:11 Muffloe wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:05 Muffloe wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:03 Arceus wrote:
I just loved how KHAN reverts to their classic lineup and almost beats the star-studded T1 if it's not for some missteps of rorO
Meanwhile SKT doesnt look so original with only Rain left

Yeah, Khan were definately the "moral winners", like how Squirtle was the moral winner of IPL4

How dare you. There were no winners at IPL4 but aLive.

Come on, be a real Startale fan and acknowledge a former protege

I root for aLive over Startale, and he does not allow others to have "moral victories"

Yet there was one, atleast in my opinion Although, as aLive was the actual winner you still have the edge in this, so let me have this
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:20:34
February 10 2014 15:18 GMT
#3894
TL is more circlejerky and whiny than reddit nowadays. And that says a lot
(not that I didn't whine and I do think some design changes would make the game better, but I at least keep it elsewhere -.-)
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 10 2014 15:19 GMT
#3895
On February 11 2014 00:18 Ammanas wrote:
TL is more circlejerky and whiny than reddit nowadays. And that says a lot
(not that I didn't whine and I do think some design changes would make the game better, but I at least keep it to my blog -.-)

SHAMELESS BLOG PROMOTION
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
February 10 2014 15:19 GMT
#3896
I was just thinking. Did Artosis curse that Reality vs Soulkey match?


It end up being pretty long :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 15:20:31
February 10 2014 15:20 GMT
#3897
On February 11 2014 00:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I was just thinking. Did Artosis curse that Reality vs Soulkey match?
https://twitter.com/Artosis/status/432828001152020482

It end up being pretty long :D

He loves defensive playstyles, so I guess thats right up his alley. And that aligns pretty well with the curse imo
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 10 2014 15:21 GMT
#3898
On February 11 2014 00:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I was just thinking. Did Artosis curse that Reality vs Soulkey match?
https://twitter.com/Artosis/status/432828001152020482

It end up being pretty long :D


I hope Artosis is being sarcastic. Ok maybe he isn't, its fun to see a game like that once in a while, but it still doesn't stop me from thinking that game represents everything that's wrong in SC2.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 10 2014 15:21 GMT
#3899
On February 11 2014 00:19 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:18 Ammanas wrote:
TL is more circlejerky and whiny than reddit nowadays. And that says a lot
(not that I didn't whine and I do think some design changes would make the game better, but I at least keep it to my blog -.-)

SHAMELESS BLOG PROMOTION

better now? ^^
but really, I am always so sad when I read nothing but whine in most of the threads -.-
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 10 2014 15:22 GMT
#3900
On February 11 2014 00:13 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 00:07 vthree wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 11 2014 00:01 vthree wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:59 LimitSEA wrote:
On February 10 2014 23:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
So... People were whining against SH and now there's whinning against Protoss deathball while playing against swarm host ?

Are people realizing how dumb they are ?

I know right? Why is no one whining about the stupid turtle mech style that made us watch 3 hours of SH for one match? It's actually Reality's fault we were forced to endure that.


He didn't force SK to make SH...

Swarm hosts are generally superior against mech when compared to other compositions. I mean the other option is roach/hydra/viper and then what do you do when all the air comes out?


And turtle mech is generally superior vs someone with the muta ling bling control of Soulkey. You can't really go 4M vs Soulkey after the nerfs. And aggressive mech gets punished by vipers.

So I don't think it is fair to pin this on Reality.

I suppose I'll agree that from Reality's point of view, turtle mech was the best option to win. Just like from SK's point of view, SH turtle was his best chance to win. So my statement of blaming Reality is obviously wrong, though I still feel you saying he didn't force SK to make SH's is also false. He did, SK had no other choice due to how strong Sky Terran is when combined with a mech ground force.

But in any case, it's clear that there have to be a few tweaks and changes. Blizzard has already said that they won't make any large design changes outside of another expansion, so small number tweaks are the best we can hope for.

Blaming any of the players is stupid. Their job is to win, using whatever tools happen to be available. That's it. Any blame for how the game is played lies with the people who made it.
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