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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 09 2014 11:51 GMT
#1101
On February 09 2014 20:49 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:49 FFW_Rude wrote:
Hum... i'm started to wondering. 4 reapears kills stalker really fast. Would he have the 4reapers in a bunker helped him ?
I never saw this so i don't think it's better than marauder of course.

But he had the repears so... Why not ?


except he didn't have the reapers


Yes but if he had KEPT them i was trying to say :=)
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
February 09 2014 11:51 GMT
#1102
What makes me think is the fact that Maru choose a super agressive opening and the correct respond to it is to send your early game defensive unit across the map. That feels kinda wrong for me.

Anyway Parting played very well especially his immortal allin against Rogou looked very impressive.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
February 09 2014 11:51 GMT
#1103
On February 09 2014 20:50 Zygno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:49 Wintex wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:47 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:44 Wintex wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:43 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build.


Did you watched that game ?

Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears...

I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared.



Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos.

Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so..

Come on.


Yeah bunker should have been 5 pixels to the right. Then he would hold :D

Placement of production and bunkers is actually quite important to holding.


The point is, margin for error is almost non existent on terran part while losing a MSC during an attack and 3 stalkers when going for blink stalker all in has no impact on the strength of the push apparently.

I dont want to offend you or anyone else on these forums but I am sure Maru did his best to defend that push. Sitting at home and making comments like "that bunker was off by a couple of inches" as a reason he lost just makes no sense.

PartinG did lose those units, but he weakened Maru's potential defenses and had a push planned to abuse a weakened Terran.


The "push" was planned even before knowing about Maru's reapers.


Yes?
The Bomber boy
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 09 2014 11:51 GMT
#1104
On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?


Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 11:53:25
February 09 2014 11:52 GMT
#1105
On February 09 2014 20:48 Parcelleus wrote:
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On February 09 2014 20:40 KanoCoke wrote:
I'm a Terran player, and I'd say making 4 reapers and losing them all while barely doing damage would be what caused Maru to lose that game. 4 reapers is a huge investment on gas which would've gone towards anything else that would be much more useful, and losing them all while not even managing to deal damage to Parting's economy basically sealed his fate in my opinion.


Precisely.



Parting also lost 3 stalkers and had no mining while doing "2 base blink". Maybe reapers were not the best choice but it is easy to look just what went wrong for Maru without accepting what he did good in that game.

Also, don't you think that having only 1 viable opening is bad for the game. Not to mention that terrans were losing to 2 base blink on Star Station even when going for 12/12 reaper expo into 3 rax and getting scouting info on the all in, all at the same time.

You can always find some mistake to point out but Parting was also playing less than optimal
1. losing 3 stalkers while doing blink stalker all in
2. no mining at his natural while doing 2 base blink stalker all in
3. losing the MSC during an attack

If he made 1 reaper instead of 4 he would have maybe 2 extra maraduers but Parting would mine faster from his natural and have 3 extra stalkers.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 09 2014 11:52 GMT
#1106
On February 09 2014 20:48 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:46 Ufnal wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:44 bertu wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:32 Penev wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I literally hate protoss. There was NOTHING maru could have done.

Not build 4 reapers.


On reactor first opening building 2 reapers is pretty much standard, so are you trying to say if he had 2 extra marines instead of the 2 extra reapers he would have held that all in? because it wont delay the extra barracks, because mineral wise marines and reapers cost the same and the extra gas doesnt delay the tech unless you are opening 1/1/1.


Extra marines would have helped against losing 7 units to MSC, yes.


Yeah, well, extra marines tend to help against MSC, who would've known.

Seriously guys, are you pissed off that Terran, knowing that the enemy has A flying unit, and still not preparing for it [instead making 4 harass units that don't shoot up and loosing them], looses quite a lot? O.o

Yes the whole problem is that terran is forced to prepare for everything and cannot even make 1 different unit while protoss can just do whatever they feel like. That ís the problem right there.

Fast scout to see what all in is coming,
blind 4 early marines vs MSC
blind Fast ebay in case of DT/Oracle
blind Room in the build for 4 bunkers vs Blink
blind Fast Stim in case of frontal push
fast upgrades because Protoss has cheaper and 33% faster upgrades and you can't fall too far behind

Oh, by the way, while you are at it, make sure you have medivacs out at 10 minutes because you NEED to deal damage to Protoss because the game is "assymetrically balanced" and that is the time you need to get a lead.

Did I already say that you need to have all these things in your build Blindly while protoss does whatever the fuck he wants and usually doesn't even bother scouting anymore?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
February 09 2014 11:52 GMT
#1107
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.

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YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
February 09 2014 11:53 GMT
#1108
On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?


Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1


And how many have failed?
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 09 2014 11:53 GMT
#1109
LoL, what happened here. Should we really blame balance when we know that PartinG is an execution beast?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 09 2014 11:53 GMT
#1110
On February 09 2014 20:51 Micro_Jackson wrote:
What makes me think is the fact that Maru choose a super agressive opening and the correct respond to it is to send your early game defensive unit across the map. That feels kinda wrong for me.

Anyway Parting played very well especially his immortal allin against Rogou looked very impressive.


The MSC is not a defensive unit. It's a poorly thought out band-aid "fix everything" unit that was added because blizzard didn't want to put any effort into fixing protoss. So they just made a new unit that did everything.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 11:54:39
February 09 2014 11:54 GMT
#1111
On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?


Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1


And how many have failed?


You asked a question. I answered.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
February 09 2014 11:54 GMT
#1112
On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.

No

This is an arena to discuss the games. Not an arena to discuss balance. Using this game as a focus point while we discuss is crucial, because these complaints should be directed to a different part of the forum.
The Bomber boy
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
February 09 2014 11:54 GMT
#1113
On February 09 2014 20:53 Muffloe wrote:
LoL, what happened here. Should we really blame balance when we know that PartinG is an execution beast?

assuming maru isn't?
Michael Probu
AaronChance
Profile Joined September 2013
29 Posts
February 09 2014 11:54 GMT
#1114
Maru had to do something in the early game or Parting would have rolled him in the mid. If he had made marines instead of those reapers, Parting would have not launched the attack the way he did, and just killed him in the mid game. A few extra marines aren't going to matter, especially on a map where blinking up is so easily abused. I'd even say that if Maru had been lucky enough to kill the MSC with extra marines, Parting would have had it rebuild before Maru had the chance to pressure, with enough stalkers and other units to hold on until he had photon overcharge. There was no path for victory for Maru without a major error by Parting, and Parting was too focused to make that sort of mistake.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 09 2014 11:55 GMT
#1115
On February 09 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?


Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1


And how many have failed?


You asked a question. I answered.


As far as I remember he played against 3 gate blink into DT on Yeonsu. So he didn't play against this build he played against minimal blink commitment into fast DTs
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#1116
On February 09 2014 20:53 Muffloe wrote:
LoL, what happened here. Should we really blame balance when we know that PartinG is an execution beast?

Are we calling clicking your MSC to the terran base and not controlling it 'execution beast' if you are Protoss?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 11:56:45
February 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#1117
On February 09 2014 20:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?


Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1


And how many have failed?


You asked a question. I answered.


As far as I remember he played against 3 gate blink into DT on Yeonsu. So he didn't play against this build he played against minimal blink commitment into fast DTs


Really ? So that was Maru that stopped it 2times on Yeonsu ? Or another Terran ? i have bad memory.

I know that happened but i'm not sure of the players
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
February 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#1118
On February 09 2014 20:54 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.

No

This is an arena to discuss the games. Not an arena to discuss balance. Using this game as a focus point while we discuss is crucial, because these complaints should be directed to a different part of the forum.


I'm addressing what other palyers are saying in this forum and why I disagree with them. I'm entitled to do that.
In the rear with the gear!
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
February 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#1119
On February 09 2014 20:53 Muffloe wrote:
LoL, what happened here. Should we really blame balance when we know that PartinG is an execution beast?


And maru's control is chobo level. >.> They are quite at the top of their perspective races and they are both known for their micro/execution. Parting has no advantage there, aside from the race he chose to play.


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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 09 2014 11:56 GMT
#1120
On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.

User was warned for this post

Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0?
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