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On February 09 2014 20:44 bertu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 Penev wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I literally hate protoss. There was NOTHING maru could have done. Not build 4 reapers. On reactor first opening building 2 reapers is pretty much standard, so are you trying to say if he had 2 extra marines instead of the 2 extra reapers he would have held that all in? because it wont delay the extra barracks, because mineral wise marines and reapers cost the same and the extra gas doesnt delay the tech unless you are opening 1/1/1. Extra marines would have helped against losing 7 units to MSC, yes.
Yeah, well, extra marines tend to help against MSC, who would've known.
Seriously guys, are you pissed off that Terran, knowing that the enemy has A flying unit, and still not preparing for it [instead making 4 harass units that don't shoot up and loosing them], looses quite a lot? O.o
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maru wasn't even repairing his bunkers, and dare i say "over-microed" his reapers. he could have set them aside and popped them in to harass when parting was posturing outside his base.
it's him playing bad more than anything else.
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On February 09 2014 20:45 Destructicon wrote: Damn, this LR thread sure turned into a shitstorm rather quickly, time to migrate to the balance discussion threads.
Anyway congrats to SKT1, now time to see how they match up against Samsung.
Well... You know that every LR can't be an LRSL LR...
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On February 09 2014 20:42 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 Penev wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I literally hate protoss. There was NOTHING maru could have done. Not build 4 reapers. On reactor first opening building 2 reapers is pretty much standard, so are you trying to say if he had 2 extra marines instead of the 2 extra reapers he would have held that all in? because it wont delay the extra barracks, because mineral wise marines and reapers cost the same and the extra gas doesnt delay the tech unless you are opening 1/1/1. but reapers take longer to build
It does but it wont give you 2 extra marines. A reaper build in 40-45 secs a marine is 25 sec.
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On February 09 2014 20:43 SSVnormandy wrote: Look guys even the commentators are really pissed about this you can heard that they were so pissed on the after match they just used diplomatic words like "terrans are really struggling in korea right now" the diplomatic traduction of : "please do something i'm really bored to comment an abusive strat as the 2 base blink allin"
Yeah wolf esp didnt sound too pleased. I feel for him he's trying to hype the game and tournament and this kinda shit happens.
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On February 09 2014 20:44 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:43 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote: Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on. Yeah bunker should have been 5 pixels to the right. Then he would hold :D Placement of production and bunkers is actually quite important to holding.
The point is, margin for error is almost non existent on terran part while losing a MSC during an attack and 3 stalkers when going for blink stalker all in has no impact on the strength of the push apparently.
I dont want to offend you or anyone else on these forums but I am sure Maru did his best to defend that push. Sitting at home and making comments like "that bunker was off by a couple of inches" as a reason he lost just makes no sense.
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On February 09 2014 20:45 ujonecro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:42 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:41 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote: Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on. Parting lost probes and stalkers. Thats optimal??????????? Or i forgot protos doesnt have to play optimal. They have DK. The first units made are very crucial, and when you go reapers and lose them THAT's non-optimal. Come on. Zealously, you know what to do. Wow you are pretty pathetic. Running out of arguments so you call your circlejerk friends for ban. Parting lost probes and stalkers - his FIRST units (optimal?). I dont think so. But it doesnt matter since protos doesnt have to play optimal. No, this game actually requires strategic thinking and basic knowledge of the game to even begin starting to criticize play. PartinG abused Maru's plan and got ahead. If you can't see that, you are at a loss.
I'm sorry, but I LOVE Terran.. I can safely say that was Maru's loss.
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I guess we all have to thank Parting. Protoss will now probably also get the Mama core vision nerf hehe
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On February 09 2014 20:40 KanoCoke wrote: I'm a Terran player, and I'd say making 4 reapers and losing them all while barely doing damage would be what caused Maru to lose that game. 4 reapers is a huge investment on gas which would've gone towards anything else that would be much more useful, and losing them all while not even managing to deal damage to Parting's economy basically sealed his fate in my opinion.
Precisely.
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On February 09 2014 20:46 Ufnal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:44 bertu wrote:On February 09 2014 20:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 Penev wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I literally hate protoss. There was NOTHING maru could have done. Not build 4 reapers. On reactor first opening building 2 reapers is pretty much standard, so are you trying to say if he had 2 extra marines instead of the 2 extra reapers he would have held that all in? because it wont delay the extra barracks, because mineral wise marines and reapers cost the same and the extra gas doesnt delay the tech unless you are opening 1/1/1. Extra marines would have helped against losing 7 units to MSC, yes. Yeah, well, extra marines tend to help against MSC, who would've known. Seriously guys, are you pissed off that Terran, knowing that the enemy has A flying unit, and still not preparing for it [instead making 4 harass units that don't shoot up and loosing them], looses quite a lot? O.o Yes the whole problem is that terran is forced to prepare for everything and cannot even make 1 different unit while protoss can just do whatever they feel like. That ís the problem right there.
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Hum... i'm started to wondering. 4 reapears kills stalker really fast. Would he have the 4reapers in a bunker helped him ? I never saw this so i don't think it's better than marauder of course.
But he had the repears so... Why not ?
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On February 09 2014 20:47 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:44 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:43 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote: Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on. Yeah bunker should have been 5 pixels to the right. Then he would hold :D Placement of production and bunkers is actually quite important to holding. The point is, margin for error is almost non existent on terran part while losing a MSC during an attack and 3 stalkers when going for blink stalker all in has no impact on the strength of the push apparently. I dont want to offend you or anyone else on these forums but I am sure Maru did his best to defend that push. Sitting at home and making comments like "that bunker was off by a couple of inches" as a reason he lost just makes no sense. PartinG did lose those units, but he weakened Maru's potential defenses and had a push planned to abuse a weakened Terran.
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On February 09 2014 20:49 FFW_Rude wrote: Hum... i'm started to wondering. 4 reapears kills stalker really fast. Would he have the 4reapers in a bunker helped him ? I never saw this so i don't think it's better than marauder of course.
But he had the repears so... Why not ?
except he didn't have the reapers
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Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL?
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On February 09 2014 20:45 SSVnormandy wrote: Mothership core really need 3 things to end the abuse :
-reduce by half his DPS : this unit shouldnt do any dmg really. This would allow some kind of aggression from terran
- reduce the vision range
- reduce the cast range to PO at 2
this would probably help to fix the damn unit.
If you do all these things PvP would become the worst crap you've ever seen. You don't even know bro.
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Meh cant wait for iem cologne plenty of my fav terrans there
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KT vs SKT finals is what we need and what we will get!
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On February 09 2014 20:49 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:47 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:44 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:43 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote: Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on. Yeah bunker should have been 5 pixels to the right. Then he would hold :D Placement of production and bunkers is actually quite important to holding. The point is, margin for error is almost non existent on terran part while losing a MSC during an attack and 3 stalkers when going for blink stalker all in has no impact on the strength of the push apparently. I dont want to offend you or anyone else on these forums but I am sure Maru did his best to defend that push. Sitting at home and making comments like "that bunker was off by a couple of inches" as a reason he lost just makes no sense. PartinG did lose those units, but he weakened Maru's potential defenses and had a push planned to abuse a weakened Terran.
The "push" was planned even before knowing about Maru's reapers.
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PartinG on fire <3 Very nice to see.
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On February 09 2014 20:47 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:43 SSVnormandy wrote: Look guys even the commentators are really pissed about this you can heard that they were so pissed on the after match they just used diplomatic words like "terrans are really struggling in korea right now" the diplomatic traduction of : "please do something i'm really bored to comment an abusive strat as the 2 base blink allin" Yeah wolf esp didnt sound too pleased. I feel for him he's trying to hype the game and tournament and this kinda shit happens.
It isn't just him either.
I've been listening to a lot of casters lately who all seem to have this undertone of frustration with PvT, Apollo and Artosis are some of the most blatant about it.
This situation sucks for everyone involved.
Balance isn't even the most important part of it, this isn't fun to watch. Everyone knows it. Not only are we getting tournaments with completely lopsided Terran representation but we're getting more and more PvPs as a result and that is easily the most unpopular match up to watch as a spectator.
We're getting fewer and fewer TvZs and TvTs as a result also, easily the most popular and exciting match ups as well.
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