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On February 09 2014 20:33 ZenithM wrote:
The thing is, even the start of the game was really representative of how the races are played. Maru did some flashy cool micro and killed ONE stalker, then lost all his units. Meanwhile, PartinG let a flying hero unit hover in Maru's main and it got 6 kills. From there it was an easy PartinG win.
Yeah.
Exactly this!!!
People need to realize that it wasn't about losing 4 reapers. The damage was already done. To pressure protoss you need to commit to a pressure build that is attached with a certain risk and then get your micro down fucking precisely.
As protoss you can have a normal build and still punish a terran who is microing his heart out by simply hovering your MSC over his mineral line.
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On February 09 2014 20:39 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:38 askmc70 wrote:
maru didn't even pull scvs to repair, stop the fucking whining already. You mean pull at least 4 of them by each bunker? Goodbye economy I guess
would you rather die then?
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actually as dumb was that was, tvp is still more watchable than pvp and pvz
yeah that's where the state of the game is at
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On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos.
Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so..
Come on.
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On February 09 2014 20:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:34 Zygno wrote:
Watching TvP is so frustrating nowadays. I'd still rather watch TvP over the shit shows that are ZvP and PvP these days. That's how bad those match ups are. Lol, at this rate TvZ also will mutate into terran turtle sky. Then we have a problem i guess.
It won't.
This mass Mutalisk metagame that's developing in Korea is going to prevent that from happening. Go watch Innovation vs Soulkey from the IEM Katowice qualifiers to see what I mean.
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I'm a Terran player, and I'd say making 4 reapers and losing them all while barely doing damage would be what caused Maru to lose that game. 4 reapers is a huge investment on gas which would've gone towards anything else that would be much more useful, and losing them all while not even managing to deal damage to Parting's economy basically sealed his fate in my opinion.
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The more hilarious thing is that... that wasn't even an all in by parting.
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People always find an excuse why terran loses to blink all ins. I still again blame the coach for not sending Maru earlier but on the best blink map in the map pool. I saw so many variations of terran on that map, even tanks etc., getting complete scouts but blink still wins on SS every time.
And now I am waiting for coach white knights to jump all over me.
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On February 09 2014 20:33 covetousrat wrote:
Failed cheese from Maru and got counter cheesed...
I agree, blink is a very niche counter-cheese TvP build and Parting must've done it in response to the 4 reapers.
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On February 09 2014 20:37 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:36 Ramiz1989 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:33 MajOr wrote:On February 09 2014 20:32 mizU wrote:
everyone saying protoss imba?
lol, maru played terribly, he deserved to lose
4 reapers stfu plz he did the most absurd b.o counter to bstalker all in and he still lost  4 reaper > bstalker all in ion maps like this Yes, Mothership Core killed 6 units, while his 4 Reapers got 1 Stalker and than he lost all of them. No, I don't think it was good play by Maru. He got 2 stalkers, stopped mining at the natural, and killed like 3 probes
Ok, 2 Stalkers and 3 Probes for 4 Reapers and 7 SCVs/Marines, you tell me what is better. I am not going to argue if this attack is too strong/imbalanced/whatever, I just think that Maru didn't play that as well as he could do it.
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On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos.
Not if you throw away 4 reapers and 6 scv's. Not saying I like the match up at the moment btw and I'm not a protoss.
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On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on.
The placement was pretty good actually, he set one at every spot where Parting could blink into. It's not like Blink does work only at one place.
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On February 09 2014 20:40 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunker placement was less than optimal, he had no units because his transition took too long and a MSC killed 5 units or so.. Come on.
Parting lost probes and stalkers. Thats optimal??????????? Or i forgot protos doesnt have to play optimal. They have DK.
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On February 09 2014 20:39 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunkers are useless when you don't have units inside... Come on i'm gold and i can't see that Maru had a bad opening against this.
He had 4 bunkers if i recall correctly. And the ones where parting attacked had units in it.
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On February 09 2014 20:37 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:36 Destructicon wrote:
Well, that went according to plan.
At least now all the Maru bandwagoning will also die. Or probably not, need to wait for him to flop out of his RO32 group in GSL. Yeah, let's not have any Terrans left in GSL!
At least the Terran bandwagoning will stop!
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On February 09 2014 20:32 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I literally hate protoss. There was NOTHING maru could have done. Not build 4 reapers.
On reactor first opening building 2 reapers is pretty much standard, so are you trying to say if he had 2 extra marines instead of the 2 extra reapers he would have held that all in? because it wont delay the extra barracks, because mineral wise marines and reapers cost the same and the extra gas doesnt delay the tech unless you are opening 1/1/1.
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On February 09 2014 20:39 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. Bunkers are useless when you don't have units inside... Come on i'm gold and i can't see that Maru had a bad opening against this.
Yeah, the number of bunkers isn't that important, especially when Maru's rax and bunkers were placed in such a way that only 1 bunker could defend his production (I know, they had to be like that or otherwise stalkers would get into mineral line, I guess you have to build your production closer to your cc or something)
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On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos.
3 bunkers with no marauder, if not intensively repaired there is no way it can hold.
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On February 09 2014 20:40 askmc70 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:38 askmc70 wrote:
maru didn't even pull scvs to repair, stop the fucking whining already. You mean pull at least 4 of them by each bunker? Goodbye economy I guess would you rather die then?
Lol you die 2 minutes later xD
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On February 09 2014 20:41 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:39 ujonecro wrote:On February 09 2014 20:37 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:35 ujonecro wrote:
Cant stop lauging at all protoss players in this thread trying to make it sound as Maru screwed up when Major already stated that the opening was a COUNTER to Partings build. Did you watched that game ? Maru did 4 reapears. He could have built marauders instead or even marines. He lost 6 scv to the moma core, lost his 4reapears... I'm sorry but Maru lost because he wasn't enough prepared. Wasnt prepared? 3 bunker? Its fucking disgusting if you cant stop a scouted all in with 3 bunkers while its not even an all in at all for protos. 3 bunkers with no marauder, if not intensively repaired there is no way it can hold.
Pretty balanced dont you think?
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