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On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
I presume most people here do think that there are things wrong with the match up but this game isn't really a good one to adres balance problems because of the failed opening by Maru. Partings looked sharp today, Maru made (more) mistakes. The balance talk and talk about this game should be separate imo.
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On February 09 2014 20:54 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:53 Muffloe wrote:
LoL, what happened here. Should we really blame balance when we know that PartinG is an execution beast? assuming maru isn't?
Well, neu, but it wasn't it PartinG who did the pressure/all in?
Thats like saying: "Uh, nerf lings because Life has dedicated so much training to have perfect micro with them"
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On February 09 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL? Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1 And how many have failed? You asked a question. I answered.
TY stopped it by blind countering it, good strat right. Look how well TY did against protoss in code B!
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On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0?
Balance whine ?
On February 09 2014 20:57 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL? Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1 And how many have failed? You asked a question. I answered. TY stopped it by blind countering it, good strat right. Look how well TY did against protoss in code B!
You can't prepare PL and GSL at the same time.
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sure you can, the best zerg of 2013 did well in PL and GSL at the same time
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On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0?
Lack of game knowledge.
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On February 09 2014 20:56 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:55 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 09 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:53 YyapSsap wrote:On February 09 2014 20:51 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 09 2014 20:50 YyapSsap wrote:
Well.. when was the last time this build was stopped in a televised match in proleague or GSL? Maru and TY stopped this build in Round1 And how many have failed? You asked a question. I answered. As far as I remember he played against 3 gate blink into DT on Yeonsu. So he didn't play against this build he played against minimal blink commitment into fast DTs Really ? So that was Maru that stopped it 2times on Yeonsu ? Or another Terran ? i have bad memory. I know that happened but i'm not sure of the players
I dont remember all the games correctly but there is obviously a difference between doing something like 2 base blink off 3 gates into tech and committing on 6 or more gates. Also, there is a difference if terran somehow manages to scout the number of gates accompanying blink or not. And scouting that vital information is very hard because at the moment those extra gates are being made, it is almost impossible to get a reaper in because protoss already has a MSC and a couple stalkers positioned in entry points.
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On February 09 2014 20:58 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0? Lack of game knowledge.
Well why don't you correct my knowledge then plz.
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On February 09 2014 20:58 opterown wrote:
sure you can, the best zerg of 2013 did well in PL and GSL at the same time
It's still pretty hard. Maps aren't all the same so you can't always rely on builds you do in the other tournaments.
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Go to the designated balance thread if you don't want to discuss the game.
Simple as that. The fact that everyone is belittling skill from an excellent protoss based on a game where the poor, poor Terran played less than optimal is easy to argument versus. The balance whine thread is supposed to be the sponge that removes the stains from these threads.
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On February 09 2014 20:58 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0? Lack of game knowledge.
On TL.net you get banned/warned for telling the truth.
I suspect that the mod didn't find him well articulated enough though.
So ... double bad.
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Im just disgusted by this matchup. Its frustrating even as a spectator!
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On February 09 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
Go to the designated balance thread if you don't want to discuss the game.
Simple as that. The fact that everyone is belittling skill from an excellent protoss based on a game where the poor, poor Terran played less than optimal is easy to argument versus. The balance whine thread is supposed to be the sponge that removes the stains from these threads.
Yeah you're right.. I should stop too.
Anyway that was great 
See you tomorrow at 10:30 !
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On February 09 2014 21:00 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:58 Parcelleus wrote:On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0? Lack of game knowledge. On TL.net you get banned/warned for telling the truth. I suspect that the mod didn't find him well articulated enough though. So ... double bad.
Well I was told the first part was ok but the 2nd part got too balance whiney.
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PvT has issues but there are a lot of dishonest people here. Nobody can say that opening with 4 reapers and losing them for 2 stalkers and a few probes is good, especially when you have yet to deal with a MsC harassing units going out of your barracks. As fancy as Maru's micro was, it was just not efficient at all. He had nothing but empty bunkers at home.
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On February 09 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote:
Go to the designated balance thread if you don't want to discuss the game.
Simple as that. The fact that everyone is belittling skill from an excellent protoss based on a game where the poor, poor Terran played less than optimal is easy to argument versus. The balance whine thread is supposed to be the sponge that removes the stains from these threads.
You have a fair point there. I was just trying to address what other ppl were saying and getting my 2 cents in before i go back to bed. Gg skt hwaiting!
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On February 09 2014 20:56 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY. I presume most people here do think that there are things wrong with the match up but this game isn't really a good one to adres balance problems because of the failed opening by Maru. Partings looked sharp today, Maru made (more) mistakes. The balance talk and talk about this game should be separate imo.
This game was an excellent one actually.
Check Maru's build.
He goes hyper aggressive with 4 reapers while his opponent doesn't scout. If Terran doesn't scout 10 gate and opens wrongly - HE DIES. What is Partings response? Not control his MSC because not controlling it is perfectly fine, do some amove with his stalkers, and hey, he comes out ahead.
Do you know how much Maru (HAD TO) invest in structures? He got a really fast ebay (during reaper 3/4, because of Orable) and had 4 Bunkers. He even cut upgrades at this point.
Terran has to make soo many precautions in their builds that pretty much everything is inefficient in an optimal situation. How the game ended was just insult to injury with Parting going really dirty, but this game perfectly showed how limited Terran is in Build Orders while Protoss has a standard build order that deals with everything Terran can think of.
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On February 09 2014 20:59 jekku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:58 Parcelleus wrote:On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0? Lack of game knowledge. Well why don't you correct my knowledge then plz.
There's a lot of assuming... " it >seems< protoss yadda yadda because of MsC, while terran is fucked if yadda yadda".
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On February 09 2014 21:02 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 20:59 jekku wrote:On February 09 2014 20:58 Parcelleus wrote:On February 09 2014 20:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 09 2014 20:52 jekku wrote:
The thing with ppl saying maru screwed up, he may have a bit but heres the problem. Protoss can screw up early builds and still defend because the momma core overcharge. With terran it seems like if you make ONE mistake and its gg. Its not really a fair standard when one race can afford to make mistakes when another can't make ANY.
User was warned for this post Care to share the reason of that warning 0.0? Lack of game knowledge. Well why don't you correct my knowledge then plz. There's a lot of assuming... " it >seems< protoss yadda yadda because of MsC, while terran is fucked if yadda yadda".
I still see no correcting there? Anyway i'm off back to bed gg all.
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On February 09 2014 21:00 YyapSsap wrote:
Im just disgusted by this matchup. Its frustrating even as a spectator!
To be honest, you could say the same about a number of the matchups currently. I was pretty excited to watch this playoff match and proleague is probably my favorite league overall, but that still wasn't enough to hold by attention for very long. I had the stream on the whole time, but I was probably watching less than 33% of the time.
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