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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:00 one-one-one wrote: On TL.net you get banned/warned for telling the truth. I suspect that the mod didn't find him well articulated enough though. So ... double bad. Please take concerns with moderation to website feedback rather than cluttering a thread not meant for it. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Just say it, it's all the protoss matchups are either boring or maddening to watch. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Just say it, it's all the protoss matchups are either boring or maddening to watch. That, and all the no rush into 10 second deathball games get repetitive if it is the only thing you see for 2 months. | ||
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Fjodorov
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sacade
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Penev
28536 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:02 SC2Toastie wrote: This game was an excellent one actually. Check Maru's build. He goes hyper aggressive with 4 reapers while his opponent doesn't scout. If Terran doesn't scout 10 gate and opens wrongly - HE DIES. What is Partings response? Not control his MSC because not controlling it is perfectly fine, do some amove with his stalkers, and hey, he comes out ahead. Do you know how much Maru (HAD TO) invest in structures? He got a really fast ebay (during reaper 3/4, because of Orable) and had 4 Bunkers. He even cut upgrades at this point. Terran has to make soo many precautions in their builds that pretty much everything is inefficient in an optimal situation. How the game ended was just insult to injury with Parting going really dirty, but this game perfectly showed how limited Terran is in Build Orders while Protoss has a standard build order that deals with everything Terran can think of. In the sense of the "desperation opening" you actually have a point that this game can be used in a discussion about balance but the way a lot of people expressed their discontent just looked like baseless balance whining to me. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:00 Wintex wrote: Go to the designated balance thread if you don't want to discuss the game. Simple as that. The fact that everyone is belittling skill from an excellent protoss based on a game where the poor, poor Terran played less than optimal is easy to argument versus. The balance whine thread is supposed to be the sponge that removes the stains from these threads. It's impossible to analyze a game without taking into account the strength of each race. It's very easy to just praise the winner omg great skill, but it will sound silly. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:06 Fjodorov wrote: Question: Why does MsC have the ability shoot at all? Because it was poorly thought out. | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:01 jekku wrote: Well I was told the first part was ok but the 2nd part got too balance whiney. Yeah, I get that the look down on balance whine in general, but is that an especially honorable stance to hold in these times? When the state of the game is this bad? As a mod you can always call "balance whine", but that is kind of a broad statement. This particular "whine" happened in a LR thread and came from a viewer ( you ) who had a less than enjoyable experience watching proleague. A balanced game goes hand in hand with a game that is enjoyable to watch for spectators. In the greater picture I think we should demand no less than to have both, which we don't right now. And as long as we don't have it people will complain. This is not a bad thing. Just don't be so quick in dismissing it as balance whine. | ||
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rudimentalfeelthelov
Finland268 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Because it was poorly thought out. Talking about poorly thought out, why do locust have higher damage than stalkers. How does that makes any sense whatsoever??? | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote: That, and all the no rush into 10 second deathball games get repetitive if it is the only thing you see for 2 months. Imo the maps also make the whole thing problematic. T would like to have lots of space to engage the deathball, but then Z is also very strong vs T/P. I can understand terrans not wanting to play lategame TvP on 1/2 of the maps. I am curious how long it will take to get the "start of hots hell yeah feeling" again. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:07 one-one-one wrote: Yeah, I get that the look down on balance whine in general, but is that an especially honorable stance to hold in these times? When the state of the game is this bad? As a mod you can always call "balance whine", but that is kind of a broad statement. This particular "whine" happened in a LR thread and came from a viewer ( you ) who had a less than enjoyable experience watching proleague. A balanced game goes hand in hand with a game that is enjoyable to watch for spectators. In the greater picture I think we should demand no less than to have both, which we don't right now. And as long as we don't have it people will complain. This is not a bad thing. Just don't be so quick in dismissing it as balance whine. People will complain about EVERYTHING...especially nitpicky SC2 viewers. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Because it was poorly thought out. I actually really liked the initial version of the Mothership Core that Blizzard designed solely for base defense. Their changing of it to its current form because it quote "didn't feel like a real unit" to this day completely baffles me. As SOON as they did that it was made obvious how broken it was when combined with Blink, it only took a couple weeks in beta before they had to nerf Blink's research time to accommodate this new "real unit" Mothership Core. It just speaks to the overall problem with SC2's development process. Things are pushed through for flavor, or aesthetic without actually considering or ignoring the gameplay ramifications of them. It's frustrating because we warned Blizzard in beta repeatedly until we were blue in the face that the Swarm Host and Mothership Core were going to cause problems. We warned them, they didn't want to listen. (We also saw the disaster that was Helbat drops early in beta also, look how long it took them to change THAT.) It's almost a year later and they still won't budge on the fucking Swarm Host and they are only barely scratching at the problems with the Mothership Core. It takes a whim to change the unit in beta, it takes a year of hard evidence to do anything about it once the game is live. It's so frustrating. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Because it was poorly thought out. They even forgot to reduce the vision range from 14 to 11 like all air units when they detached it from the nexii. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:07 Penev wrote: In the sense of the "desperation opening" you actually have a point that this game can be used in a discussion about balance but the way a lot of people expressed their discontent just looked like baseless balance whining to me. People misintepret it because Blink > Terran. But in this game, Parting got a lead and finished Maru off. That is not the problem at all, that is perfectly fine! BUT, the way Parting got said lead is laughable. Calling this (or any recent PvT) a well earned win is idiotic and to Terran players downright insulting - because of how fragile and limited Terran is in the opening stages atm. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:11 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: Talking about poorly thought out, why do locust have higher damage than stalkers. How does that makes any sense whatsoever??? Stalkers are faster, more mobile, have blink, better range, have anti air, and that for a comparable cost of 25 minerals extra/each  ? | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1433 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:12 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Imo the maps also make the whole thing problematic. T would like to have lots of space to engage the deathball, but then Z is also very strong vs T/P. I can understand terrans not wanting to play lategame TvP on 1/2 of the maps. I am curious how long it will take to get the "start of hots hell yeah feeling" again. start of LotV, and it will end as soon as blizzard decides to nerf all the fun units instead of buffing unfun ones  | ||
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:13 Doublemint wrote: People will complain about EVERYTHING...especially nitpicky SC2 viewers. Oh yeah. People are really nitpicking about the current state of TvP right now. My bad. edit: looks like I was eventually warned for the first post I made in this thread. Well, there you have it. I'm leaving this thread to have breakfast. Mmm ... breakfast. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:13 YyapSsap wrote: They even forgot to reduce the vision range from 14 to 11 like all air units when they detached it from the nexii. Haha, you just may be right about that, they just forgot! xD | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On February 09 2014 21:15 Tanzklaue wrote: start of LotV, and it will end as soon as blizzard decides to nerf all the fun units instead of buffing unfun ones I've thought of that, what does favor Terran in map design. I came to this conclusion: Terran Bio plays different roles in TvP and TvZ. In TvP Bio is mobile and wants to bash P. In ZvT, Zerg is mobile and needs to outmanouver T. Terran prefers much space vs P, but limited space vs Z. So a good TvP map is probably a less good TvZ map! Protoss generally likes chokes, Zerg likes open space (Daedalus much xD?), but terran in in between, which amused me :D | ||
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