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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 20 2014 13:16 GMT
#1101
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Classic just went blind stargate anyways after seeing the swarm hosts for the potential super late game air >_> just seems like every sneaky zerg strategy is countered by stargates for phoenix or late game air.
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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
January 20 2014 13:16 GMT
#1102
Mmm.. Chicken salad sandwich served with Maru vs SK. This is going to be great.
gedatsu
Profile Joined December 2011
1286 Posts
January 20 2014 13:17 GMT
#1103
What was the first Maru vs Soulkey like? Stomp, even, somewhere inbetween?
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 20 2014 13:17 GMT
#1104
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.

Yeah, when you survive until they come online with superior upgrades its kinda hard for the Z.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 20 2014 13:17 GMT
#1105
On January 20 2014 22:16 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Classic just went blind stargate anyways after seeing the swarm hosts for the potential super late game air >_> just seems like every sneaky zerg strategy is countered by stargates for phoenix or late game air.


It's more like stargate is the overall safe option that's flexible enough to adapt to whatever tech the z happens to go for (or switch into).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 20 2014 13:17 GMT
#1106
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.

I don't think corrupters are good against air units that can shoot back, so it's not too surprising to see a fast moving unit which outranges corrupters winning fights with some micro involved.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 20 2014 13:18 GMT
#1107
Assumed Maru was meching, probably a stomp? Didn't watch it
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8583 Posts
January 20 2014 13:18 GMT
#1108
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 20 2014 13:18 GMT
#1109
On January 20 2014 22:17 gedatsu wrote:
What was the first Maru vs Soulkey like? Stomp, even, somewhere inbetween?

it was fairly even with Soulkey just wearing him down with counter attacks while Maru played mech but didn't leave enough to defend at home
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 20 2014 13:18 GMT
#1110
On January 20 2014 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.


And how little else they counter (hydras in small numbers and that's pretty much it).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 20 2014 13:18 GMT
#1111
On January 20 2014 22:17 gedatsu wrote:
What was the first Maru vs Soulkey like? Stomp, even, somewhere inbetween?


Maru looked really good killing bases, but took the wrong fourth which didn't deny the left side expos of soulkey and had slightly worse defense and splitting than soulkey so he lost after several counter attacks and zerg expansions dying -> rebuilding.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 20 2014 13:19 GMT
#1112
On January 20 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.

I don't think corrupters are good against air units that can shoot back, so it's not too surprising to see a fast moving unit which outranges corrupters winning fights with some micro involved.


Pretty much this. Ever since WoL I think that the only purpose for corruptors is being morphed into brood lords. I mean, why in the hell would you ever play corruptors? Right, when you can't reach vipers. That's pretty much it (regarding zvp). They're just a bad unit, though I think corruption is a nice spell, with as much potential as contaminate ... lol
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
January 20 2014 13:20 GMT
#1113
Psychoanalyst Brendan/brendon is best brendan/brendon.

I've always been of the opinion that Maru never gives any fucks.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-20 13:20:44
January 20 2014 13:20 GMT
#1114
On January 20 2014 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.

So the point of corruptors, which cost the same amount as phoenixes, fly slower and are basically inferior in almost every other way then is...?
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-20 13:21:26
January 20 2014 13:20 GMT
#1115
On January 20 2014 22:19 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.

I don't think corrupters are good against air units that can shoot back, so it's not too surprising to see a fast moving unit which outranges corrupters winning fights with some micro involved.


Pretty much this. Ever since WoL I think that the only purpose for corruptors is being morphed into brood lords. I mean, why in the hell would you ever play corruptors? Right, when you can't reach vipers. That's pretty much it (regarding zvp). They're just a bad unit, though I think corruption is a nice spell, with as much potential as contaminate ... lol

To fight vikings so you can get air superiority against a meching terran. It's quite important.
Or to fight airtoss as an alternative to vipers.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#1116
On January 20 2014 22:20 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.

So the point of corruptors, which cost the same amount as phoenixes, fly slower and are basically inferior in every other way then is...?

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VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
January 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#1117
On January 20 2014 22:20 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.

So the point of corruptors, which cost the same amount as phoenixes, fly slower and are basically inferior in almost every other way then is...?


Pretty sure it's a well established fact that corruptors are horribly underpowered. Doesn't mean phoenixes are OP.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8158 Posts
January 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#1118
Prince maru plz
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#1119
On January 20 2014 22:20 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:18 Doublemint wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.


Yeah. But they better do for how much they cost.

So the point of corruptors, which cost the same amount as phoenixes, fly slower and are basically inferior in almost every other way then is...?


Only point is to cushion for vipers and go for the game winning push against collosus when protoss has no air and you both have ground forces. Any other situation they are pretty terrible :/
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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
January 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#1120
On January 20 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:16 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 AxionSteel wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:08 Talionis wrote:
On January 20 2014 22:07 Caihead wrote:
blind star gates beats hidden spire is the moral of this story i guess >_>

The spire was a response to the triple stargates


How can a Zerg not respond to triple stargates with mass queens, infestor, swarmhosts :/


Looked more like a 5 swarmhost fake into attempt to surprise with mass mutas tbh.


Yep, that's what I thought, too. The game would've changed a lot if the MSC didn't recall with like 5hp or so, but with the need to defend his 4th (hidden) base, there was no way the mutas could deal enough damage before tiple stargate phoenix kicks in. And I feel like phoenixes can actually counter corruptors if sent out with range.

I don't think corrupters are good against air units that can shoot back, so it's not too surprising to see a fast moving unit which outranges corrupters winning fights with some micro involved.


Corruptors are horrible against everything except collosus and carriers ^^
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