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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches.
Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in.
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Hehe, the poor translator, Redeye´s questions are a huge clusterfuck.*sometimes 
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On December 01 2013 17:30 blinken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:26 Enhancer_ wrote:
Who is this guy casting with Tod. Needs to calm down and stop losing his voice over nothing. Calls the battles incredibly poorly at the same time too. Does your extreme negativity ever make you sick? It's almost making me sick, so it must have an effect on you.
Does it annoy you that other people have opinions? The guy just seems like he's trying quite hard to do play by play and shut out everything Tod says, but it's just not effective when it's just loud and difficult to listen to. He'd be fine if he could tone it down a bit.
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On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches.
That is why there is a balance issue. It was obvious that herO had godlike micro there. BUT there must be a way for Zerg to counteract that with godlike micro of their own.
Or maps need to be a lot more wide open because the days where P needed chokes to help them defend is long over.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in.
hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:53 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in. hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point?
You mean break him?
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On December 01 2013 17:52 Samba wrote:
Hehe, the poor translator, Redeye´s questions are a huge clusterfuck.
I was thinking the exact same thing. So long, and laced with dry jokes as well!
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On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in.
He needed Queens and spores to target down the warp prism but immortals kill them so fast.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:53 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. That is why there is a balance issue. It was obvious that herO had godlike micro there. BUT there must be a way for Zerg to counteract that with godlike micro of their own. Or maps need to be a lot more wide open because the days where P needed chokes to help them defend is long over.
I think this is an underlying issue with ff tbh. It's an interesting ability for sure but being able to create a ton of chokes with some sentries is pretty powerful.
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On December 01 2013 17:53 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in. hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point?
Wall, forcefields, cannon overcharge, time warp? You cannot break a 2 base Protoss in the early/mid game.
The size of chokes at the natural is still designed with WoL Protoss in mind (fragile early mid game).
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France7248 Posts
well it's really nice to see someone who smiles so much
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:53 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:28 TommyP wrote:
im done with this shit that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in. hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point?
Here's the math then. He was about 40 roaches. Minerals aren't the problem, it's gas. Hydras cost 50 gas. You also need range and speed,a nother 300 gas. And you need say 14-15 hydras so you need about 750+300 gas. That is 1050. The 40 roaches cost about 1000 gas. So you see, after he committed to raches early, it was too late to switch because if he switches mid way, he doesn't have enough of either unit to stop. He has to go hard one way into hydra or hard into roaches to stop it.
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On December 01 2013 17:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Is it me or does DRG look way less handsome than he did like a year ago.
Maybe he lost that winning glow? I'll bet that herO is looking pretty cute right now. (Actually, herO is a good looking guy.)
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herO is such a sweet heart. My heart is getting confused. <3
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herO is extremely likeable.
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He would've been fine with Queens targeting the Prism.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:58 Heartland wrote:
He would've been fine with Queens targeting the Prism.
Hero does have good micro. Give him some credit.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On December 01 2013 17:54 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:53 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:
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that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in. hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point? You mean break him?
yes, break him. He looked like he had the advantage early on.
On December 01 2013 17:56 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:53 BigFan wrote:On December 01 2013 17:51 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:50 BigFan wrote:YES! herO! On December 01 2013 17:48 stuchiu wrote:On December 01 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote:wow those 2 colossi, so close for that last one. Made the difference imo On December 01 2013 17:43 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:39 BigFan wrote:I leave for 5-10 mins and game 2 is over? Someone please tell me what happened. On December 01 2013 17:30 vthree wrote:On December 01 2013 17:29 BigFan wrote:
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that was amazing to see. It's DRG's fault for pumping so many roaches against mass immortals! Yeah, because lings are great vs sentries... hydras. Hydras don't come out in time if herO goes for an earlier timing. And it is hard to tell which timing the Protoss will hit because they just throw down gates last minute and they warp in their units. I missed the beginning of the game but saw DRG up 50 supply or so and looked like he had it. He needed to engage in a wide area. He had a 360 degree surround. true but the zealots were tanking the shots at that point as well. Infact, he wrapped in 5-6 zealots right as that fight was going on. I mean, the roaches ate full damage from the zealots and the immortals were left relatively unharmed until the zealots melted at which point 4-5 immortals with full hardened shields can chew that many roaches. Yes so not much else DRG could have done here besides revamp his entire gameplan to fight an immortal all-in. hmm but he had a hydra den there. Also, why didn't he use his earlier supply advantage and prevent herO from getting to that point? Wall, forcefields, cannon overcharge, time warp? You cannot break a 2 base Protoss in the early/mid game.
hmm well, that map isn't exactly zerg friendly so I'll give you that. It just seemed like DRG's decision making played a role as well. He took out the exp then came back while herO's probes in the main were still there. If he left 1-2 roaches there, he could've cripped eco and forced him to wrap units back home.
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Smilling assassin it's cute x)
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On December 01 2013 17:59 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 17:58 Heartland wrote:
He would've been fine with Queens targeting the Prism. Hero does have good micro. Give him some credit.
Sure. Just responding to some of the whining
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