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[WCS] Global Finals 2013 Day 2 - Page 563
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
This IS passion. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2593 Posts
On November 10 2013 16:38 Aveng3r wrote: It is incredible, the ratio of high masters players to tl posters on this site. You did not make it anywhere near high masters without multiple hot keys. we at TL are the best in the world bro | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:35 Killcani wrote: That's not true I got into sc2 when it was released and I found vods of old bw matches to be more fun to watch than the average sc2 game. I wonder if you have the full experience? When I think back to Brood War I like to remember the awesome games. But sometimes... sometimes I remember Canata versus Shine on Carthage. StarCraft II has never subjected me to something as terrible, because at least when StarCraft II is bad, it's short. On November 10 2013 10:39 jcroisdale wrote: sOs needs to now justify his win. I hope he stays at the top and becomes the next true best toss. Now like dear a flash in the pan. Jeez, you win two of the most stacked tournaments in the world, then suddenly you place in the top eight and you're history. Modern StarCraft is harsh. On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote: What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? For my money it's Maru/Dear right now. Can't believe Jaedong deprived us of this. On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote: Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. How would newbies even have favourites? When I first started watching pro-Brood War (a KTF MagicNs versus Lecaf Oz Proleague match that included a Flash versus Jaedong Ace match), I had no idea what was going on and the player I grew attached to were those who did something completely different. In this case that meant Tempest and Lomo. Flash versus Jaedong, meanwhile, was ridiculously overhyped by the casters (Moletrap/Diggity/Cholera) and involved Flash going 14 CC and Jaedong going early Pool and that ended pretty much as you would expect. No wonder I was never a fan. Anyway, I would have been hyped like hell if Tempest ever won a Brood War tournament. You better believe I saw the game where he held Alive's Proxy-Rax cheese. Frankly, when I first started watching Brood War, I had little interest in the established champions (some won me over anyway) because I wanted to latch on to someone who was only starting to get recognition at the same time as I started, basically a progamer of 'my generation'. Fantasy is perhaps the ideal example of that. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:42 chatuka wrote: It was more of a psychological meltdown from JD from the mindgaming. there are moments to jump for joy like winning a game 7 or palying intense series or matches. This whole series was let-down since game one in my view. JD was already tanked mentally after not being mentally prepared for a sneaky player that is willing to risk it all. It was too easy at that point once JD was on full tilt. TL;DR sOs thoroughly beat JD at SC2. Anything else you might come up with is an excuse for JD, who if he heard it would vomit in rage before avowing that he doesn't need defending, or excuses. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5276 Posts
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myminerals
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myminerals
560 Posts
On November 10 2013 17:00 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I wonder if you have the full experience? When I think back to Brood War I like to remember the awesome games. But sometimes... sometimes I remember Canata versus Shine on Carthage. StarCraft II has never subjected me to something as terrible, because at least when StarCraft II is bad, it's short. Jeez, you win two of the most stacked tournaments in the world, then suddenly you place in the top eight and you're history. Modern StarCraft is harsh. For my money it's Maru/Dear right now. Can't believe Jaedong deprived us of this. How would newbies even have favourites? When I first started watching pro-Brood War (a KTF MagicNs versus Lecaf Oz Proleague match that included a Flash versus Jaedong Ace match), I had no idea what was going on and the player I grew attached to were those who did something completely different. In this case that meant Tempest and Lomo. Flash versus Jaedong, meanwhile, was ridiculously overhyped by the casters (Moletrap/Diggity/Cholera) and involved Flash going 14 CC and Jaedong going early Pool and that ended pretty much as you would expect. No wonder I was never a fan. Anyway, I would have been hyped like hell if Tempest ever won a Brood War tournament. You better believe I saw the game where he held Alive's Proxy-Rax cheese. Frankly, when I first started watching Brood War, I had little interest in the established champions (some won me over anyway) because I wanted to latch on to someone who was only starting to get recognition at the same time as I started, basically a progamer of 'my generation'. Fantasy is perhaps the ideal example of that. You're talking about your subjective experience which differs from person to person. If you enjoy SC2 more, then it's your game to watch. I do think that majority of starcraft community would disagree however. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
The amount of bullshit you can pull off as toss is also what really makes watching SC2 unfun for me. While yes this is coming from a somewhat sc2 noob (bw vet), their all-in ability from their extreme mobility at any time despite good scouting (say you just miss that one cliff with a pylon) just defies a lot of the basics of an RTS. It took an Arbiter Tribunal to even reserach recall for what they have now for almost free. Scouting an army moving out, giving time to react, just isn't there. /end noob take on frustrations watching sc2 and BW fan watching BW player lose that last game as he did | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On November 10 2013 17:27 myminerals wrote: There is always a recommended games spoiler, but where can I see these recommended games? Answering my own question: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/videos?tags=Global Finals and http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=WCS Grand Finals 2013 | ||
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Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
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ElvenAshwin
169 Posts
Also On November 10 2013 17:42 bias- wrote: As an old time watcher and BW vet, it's a shame to see all-inning and gambling such a strong part of SC2 as an RTS. Superior mechanics, scouting, and 'a legitimate tactical playing field' should decide the victor. The amount of bullshit you can pull off as toss is also what really makes watching SC2 unfun for me. While yes this is coming from a somewhat sc2 noob (bw vet), their all-in ability from their extreme mobility at any time despite good scouting (say you just miss that one cliff with a pylon) just defies a lot of the basics of an RTS. It took an Arbiter Tribunal to even reserach recall for what they have now for almost free. Scouting an army moving out, giving time to react, just isn't there. /end noob take on frustrations watching sc2 and BW fan watching BW player lose that last game as he did In actual war in real life there is always gambling involved. A true tactician prepares for the worst, most unlucky situations possible. And you mention "superior scouting" used to win games. The immortal zealot was scouted, but JD didn't interpret his scouting information properly. Superior scouting and interpretation skills still wins games when your opponent does something funky, and in that game, he would have been able to hold if he realized that an attack was en route. And yes, toss can pull off funky things. As a zerg player, i find playing against toss stressful because i have all these all-ins i have to memorize (i'm bronzey-silverish, do note, so im not used to this kind of thing). My toss friend helps me by showing a bunch of protoss timing attacks and what to watch out for. I can say though; if you manage to scout the protoss properly, and interpret your scouting info, you will have a much better chance. And game 3 was a late-game scenario, as was game 1. game 1 was no fault of the game design, it was JD throwing the game. Game 2 was him reacting terribly to a cannon rush (also some point out that there's actually a map bug; if JD spawned in the other location, the drone would have cornered the probe, but the map isn't perfectly symmetrical), and this isn't somehow a design fault. Also, the pheonix follow-up, not so much the cannon rush, is what won him the game. You can cheese any day, but can you execute a proper follow-up? Game 4 was the immortal-zealot, bad scouting reaction by JD. And finally Game 5 was a mess, with JD simply screwing up in a whole variety of ways. A better player wouldn't have lost 10 drones to that zealot runby, and wouldn't only have zerglings out, and wouldn't fail to realize that there is a proxy pylon out on the map after the attack. Also, toss has no mobility as far as I know, in comparison to zerg and terran bio. | ||
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ElvenAshwin
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
On November 10 2013 15:11 wUndertUnge wrote: Anyone think JD might've played better had he had a break before the finals? If that's true i'd be pissed. Didn't watch the whole tournament today. Sounds true knowing how rushed these conventions are. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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xContagion
United States40 Posts
On November 10 2013 18:00 ElvenAshwin wrote: At the end of the day, I will admit the series was painful to watch as a zerg, seeing the best of your race falling to something you can see on ladder. So, were you delighted to see JD cheese his way to the finals? | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On November 10 2013 18:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: This was biggest tournament of SC2 all time but still there wasn't prize pool ceremony? There people could have shown support to players + get them huge checks so players wouldn't feel depressed. For those wondering why I cut off Sean at the end, TV production was the reason. They were yelling in my ear to wrap. This is why I believe. I could be wrong as I didn't watch the ending stuff so i'm not sure if it was a choice to do one or not. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
but seriously what they made DjWheat do... THIS is what everyone is complaining about when it comes to Blizzard and it supporting their own games... seriously they just force an end to one of those moments that everyone loves in competition/esports... and then to just give ads for the next 30 mins... I know it 1000% was Wheats fault... and maybe not blizzards, but even then someone at blizzard should have been yelling at the guy yelling in Wheats ear that they could wait another 15 minutes... after all they were just promoting the game and promoting appreciation of their game... was such a cringeworthy sort of concise moment that sums up Blizzard and its support of its game. imo /equips fireproof shield | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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ElvenAshwin
169 Posts
On November 10 2013 18:20 xContagion wrote: So, were you delighted to see JD cheese his way to the finals? o.0? What games are you referring to... he never cheesed maru (unless you count a 2-2 roach/bane as a cheese, despite it hitting at like 13 mins or something o.0), dont remember much cheeses against dear or mvp. I know he cheesed twice, can't remember exactly which games. Please enlighten me, and tell me what attack it was. I know there was that 1 early pool against mvp that failed miserably, but mvp went ahead and lost his marines, and hence that was what won him the game really. And also, the mutas coming out. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
The champion we deserved, but not the one we wanted. | ||
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