This event is a qualifier for Red Bull Battle Grounds: New York City
Check-in begins at Saturday, Nov 02 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in Check-in closes at Saturday, Nov 02 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in Tournament begins on Saturday, Nov 02 4:15pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
The complete rule set can be found on the tournament page here
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Tournament Information
The bracket will be generated at approximately Saturday, Nov 02 4:15pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Please find your opponent using the information provided in the TL Tournament system
First map in each series is fixed (see bracket for map), loser picks the next map
Search for [TLMC] in the custom games section to find the maps
Each round is Best of 3 until the semifinals which is Best of 5
The Finals are played tomorrow and will be Best of 7
Games will not be replayed if the games were played on the wrong map
The bracket will be made available once it is generated
Map Pool
Blitzkrieg
by: neobowman
Graveside
by: eTcetRa
Habitation Station
by: Sidianthebard
Jungle Valley
by: Samro225am
New Polaris Rhapsody
by: Meerel
Shrieking Breeze
by: Gfire
Synapse
by: -NegativeZero-
Community Casters
If you wish to cast the early rounds of the Red Bull TLMC Open/Red Bull Battle Grounds Qualifier event please PM Plexa so that we can add you to the list of approved casters.
That's exciting! It's somewhat worrisome as the possibility exists that someone will find one of the top maps slightly exploitable or favoring a particular race (it's happened in TLMCs before) but then again people are better than ever at spotting that stuff before it becomes a problem now.
On November 01 2013 01:58 shid0x wrote: Is redbull sponsored by the Queen of England ? Why is Quebec excluded from all their events such as this and redbull battlegrounds qualifier ?
On October 31 2013 08:31 xYc wrote: I'm curious, why can't people from Quebec participate?
Quebec requires all contests applicable to them to be registered in Quebec and it's generally a huge hassle (and not doable on short notice).
Actually, when the total prize money is below 2000$, those laws do not apply.
A shame, I doubt a trip from Quebec to New York is worth that much, making the total prize money under 2000$.
According to the article the first place prize fir the qualifier is a minimum of 2k (plane tickets, prizemoney, etc). When you include the second and third places, it's over 2k easily
If any of you want to hop on at some point during the broadcast to discuss the maps or the thought processes etc behind creating them, you're welcome to join me on BaseTradeTV's stream between matches or such. Just PM your skype info here on TL, I'll be checking every now and again (or twitter works too @Rif_Kingz)
This bracket; A few first round matches: JYP vs Oz (poor EG), SortOf vs HerO, San vs SongDuri, Squirtle vs NightEnD, TLO vs Skyhigh, Yonghwa vs Harstem, Losira vs Suppy, BBjong vs Babyknight. That is so stacked.
On November 03 2013 02:07 75 wrote: skyhigh 2 - 0 tlo that lava map was fun. probably really broken though
really liked the way the lava is done. But I guess fast lair is the only option. Gave me an idea though just now, will make a map where water is rising and only freezes units not kill. And it works like that because of science !
On November 03 2013 02:07 75 wrote: skyhigh 2 - 0 tlo that lava map was fun. probably really broken though
really liked the way the lava is done. But I guess fast lair is the only option. Gave me an idea though just now, will make a map where water is rising and only freezes units not kill. And it works like that because of science !
Or maybe water rising and slowing units down. Or water map with timer on frozen water and all units start skating.
I would always take the gold at the start as terran on habitation station there airway is so short ... maybe even neo steel so you could save 15 workers if someone tries attacking.
So what's up with HerO? First SortOf apparently got WO over him, now HerO seemingly got WO over SortOf and now Ruin seems to have gotten a walkover over HerO.
On November 03 2013 02:25 CrazyBirdman wrote: So what's up with HerO? First SortOf apparently got WO over him, now HerO seemingly got WO over SortOf and now Ruin seems to have gotten a walkover over HerO.
On November 03 2013 02:25 CrazyBirdman wrote: So what's up with HerO? First SortOf apparently got WO over him, now HerO seemingly got WO over SortOf and now Ruin seems to have gotten a walkover over HerO.
On November 03 2013 02:28 yawnoC wrote: Is QntcArtist the Artist who was on fOu and Reign back in the day ?
Shew taking a game off parting :o Goswser beating trap :o Sonder beating Seed :o Losira beating our Superiorwolf
Pretty sure he is a different artist, I remember looking it up a few days ago
EDIT On the quantic liquipedia page the artist on the team has a different name then reIGN artist yet it links to him, so there appears to be two different artists, its just this one isn't known so he has no page of his own
The rocks which are covering the gas geysers on Jungle Valley might need to be changed a bit so that the gas is more visible, On some spawn locations the gasses are nearly invisible and players might not know they are covering gas.
This guy on Basetrade TV is so painful to listen to. He is constantly whining about some particular features of the map eventhough the Red Bull TLMC was aiming to develop the creativity of the map maker and get some crazy maps. The constant whining and the fact that he didn't even bother getting some informations about the maps before the tournament is making the show awful
BasetradeTV check out my honest reviews on the maps.. Blitzkrieg 5/5 + Show Spoiler +
The watch tower misses the little shortest path between the mains like the horrible map "Klontas Mire TE". But in the late game it will see every late game it will see every siege tank, ultralisk, archon and thor. There have been watch towers in the past where they are all seeing, and ones that are don't see much at all. So all together this watch tower is pretty good. Aside from that it is using the Neo-1v1 spawn positions. The 3rd base is for Terran and Protoss going to be a which one do I take, like on "Frost." (Terran and Protoss have more choices in taking bases since they can wall off the game. That ramp above third.
Not the most open map I have ever seen. The Backyard base is able to get into so it's not completely imbalanced for a certain race. Rocks are able to be killed for better pathing and better flanks. Although there is a easy to take backyard the natural is very hard to take. Also a small high ground plateau above a want to say 4th where a tank can be planted (Like lost temple!). both gases for backyard and natural are on one side sadly making it hard for zerg to see gas timings.
So it is pretty rampy and condensed on the left and right side. But the in the middle it is wide open. You play the map with your eyes first and I love the textures that they are using the "Star Station" and Jungle effect. dang it imba watch towers. Golds!!
Semi-Island.. Rocks... Protoss and Terran will have fun with this map. Zerg will have to go try hard mode use nydus Mutas cry them selves to sleep. "Dustin Browder Map". Possible funny rock blocking gas making air play a little less strong.
Brood War Version and Where lava spawns! Remake of a great Brood War map. But lava that kills creep spread! Wish I would see the mineral only the original had on the 3rd and a rich vespene geysers @ 4th to get the vibes of the brood war map.
Ok rocks and pathing make this map fantastic. It's "cray-cray" 4th bases with rich vespene geysers. Check out the map to see the possible pathing it's crazy you will never ever see the same looking game on this map.
Crazy sick textures! 3rds are not so close, so it promotes low-econ play. The "Xel naga caverns" of hots? There is a close air 3rd with ground takes longer to get to. Or a 3rd that is faster to get by ground. You get to decide how to split the map not the map's choice. Has a rich vespene geyser near the ramps.
Remake of a great Brood War map. But lava that kills creep spread! I am not sure why there are expansions on low ground making terran imba imba imba imba imba imba imba imba!
There aren't. All bases are on high or mid ground.
On November 03 2013 04:21 slowbacontron wrote: I'm sad jjakji lost, but not surprised to see San still in the race! He even took down ZvP specialist Hydra. Because he's San.
I don't know why people even try to play san in qualifiers
On November 03 2013 04:29 Pandain wrote: Do they get to veto maps? Is that why I haven't seen lava map yet, although admittedly I only tuned in halfway through?
afaik its only been played once, tlo vs skyhigh I think. Was hoping to see it more
On November 03 2013 04:29 Pandain wrote: Do they get to veto maps? Is that why I haven't seen lava map yet, although admittedly I only tuned in halfway through?
Loser picks format. It is the starting map for both semifinals so you'll see it on basetrade today
Before the tournament started I predicted protoss would do well.. pretty much just because players don't auto-know where poxy pylons would go, so they would lose games now that wouldn't happen (as often) in a month, if all these maps were kept.
lack of scouting from cjhero is pretty disappointing at this stage of hots. You would expect a pro to scout o.o
Do you like.. not watch pros play? They rarely scout - unless terrans have reapers, anyway.
On November 03 2013 06:02 Zenbrez wrote: Before the tournament started I predicted protoss would do well.. pretty much just because players don't auto-know where poxy pylons would go, so they would lose games now that wouldn't happen (as often) in a month, if all these maps were kept.
On November 03 2013 04:21 slowbacontron wrote: I'm sad jjakji lost, but not surprised to see San still in the race! He even took down ZvP specialist Hydra. Because he's San.
I don't know why people even try to play san in qualifiers
On November 03 2013 08:09 Wiggins8 wrote: Looks like Protoss is pretty good on these Maps. :X
It's probably more that Protoss is good on newer maps because pylon locations aren't standardised etc.
The way the bracket was set up was also pretty advantageous, PartinG played no zergs and so he got to showcase his PvT, and on the other side same thing for San and Yonghwa in PvZ...
Hey guys! Here are my VoDs from today:(Just twitch links for now, I'll come back to update with youtube tomorrow when they are uploaded) Make sure to check out the new maps, they are pretty rad!
On November 03 2013 22:36 easytwotype wrote: Where is the community uproar against EG DeMuslim. I know he has a different story about how he came to get that name. But considering the world is in a perpetual War on Terror which targets muslim countries. He is a british player and its well known that theres a lot of anti muslim sentiment in Britain. If this was world war 2 and we had a progamer named "DeJew" or "DePopulate" or "DeChristian". People would immedietely call him out on it. I think the silence and allowing him to keep that name and spread anti muslim sentiment secretly is disgusting. DeMuslim could most possibily mean to De populate muslims. And we are seeing that happening all over the world. Coincidence that he chose that name? I think not. Someone needs to file a lawsuit against EG and make him change his name.
I think you have the wrong thread. Also, this post is really bad.
I guess I'm just mad because they fired Idra the only player I like on Evil Geniuses. I just think they are a hypocritical team to fire someone for being hateful yet allow it to go on in a different light
On November 04 2013 00:13 Sumadin wrote: According to the rules, the finals will be played at 6pm CET but the TL calendar notes it as 7pm. Which one is right?
Calendar is right. West coast of America just underwent daylight savings so I wouldn't be surprised if there are errors.
On November 03 2013 22:53 easytwotype wrote: I guess I'm just mad because they fired Idra the only player I like on Evil Geniuses. I just think they are a hypocritical team to fire someone for being hateful yet allow it to go on in a different light
User was warned for this post
He took the name DeMusliM out of respect for one of his idols, Mohammed Ali.
On November 04 2013 05:37 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Except that Sora is a master in every match up. Hyun will die!!
Sora's PvP isn't exactly as masterful as you believe, and he is only smashing Bong so far because it's a bit of a mismatch. And his most recent PvZs have him losing to TRUE and Shine 1-2 each, so it isn't exactly as positive as you believe.
Sora and Dear are the two protosses I can't understand right now.
Like, I know Parting and Rain are good, but when I see them play, I understand what's happening and why it's happening. And they lose when they're supposed to lose. These two look like they have the capacity to just decide that they'll win. Kind of like StarDust did a lot of the time, except they're better versions and they're playing better opponents.
On November 04 2013 06:51 Nebuchad wrote: Sora and Dear are the two protosses I can't understand right now.
Like, I know Parting and Rain are good, but when I see them play, I understand what's happening and why it's happening. And they lose when they're supposed to lose. These two look like they have the capacity to just decide that they'll win. Kind of like StarDust did a lot of the time, except they're better versions and they're playing better opponents.
Honestly, thats the thing I enjoy most about watching Dear. Its almost like he can just will himself to victory.
Very nice game one, Sora abusing the non-mobility of SH based compositions. I also feel it isn't the best map for it, very hard to take a 5th base for the zerg.
ToD is rocking the casting, my favourite caster (after Engine, legendary facewasher) for sure! I too like how he often is amazed by plays and expresses his appreciation!
On November 04 2013 06:51 Nebuchad wrote: Sora and Dear are the two protosses I can't understand right now.
Like, I know Parting and Rain are good, but when I see them play, I understand what's happening and why it's happening. And they lose when they're supposed to lose. These two look like they have the capacity to just decide that they'll win. Kind of like StarDust did a lot of the time, except they're better versions and they're playing better opponents.
Honestly, thats the thing I enjoy most about watching Dear. Its almost like he can just will himself to victory.
Would like to see HyuN utilize his strength in the mid-game rather than play in a difficult situation in the late late-game against a player like Sora who has shown his patience and skill in the match-up.
On November 04 2013 07:22 Heartland wrote: ugh, any way I can turn off the twitch chat from the red bull page? I can feel myself getting stupider when I glance at it
On November 04 2013 07:30 ffadicted wrote: Holy FUUUUUUCK I am absolutely LOVING this fucking casting combo. Such smart brotosses, omg, more todderdam plz
On November 04 2013 07:30 ffadicted wrote: Holy FUUUUUUCK I am absolutely LOVING this fucking casting combo. Such smart brotosses, omg, more todderdam plz
these two casting wc3 is the greatest experience in the history of mankind. them casting sc2 comes very close.
Holy crap. Majorly impressed from Sora that game despite the results. How he dragged that game on that long with such a low immortal count was impressive.
Sora's target fire and stalker/colossus micro was very impressive. Considering he was fairly behind the entire game, he almost had it. That's the power of the keyblade.
On November 04 2013 08:06 Darkhoarse wrote: The twitch chat for this is just god awful. "Sora is bad, should've had immortals and archons to counter the roaches and mutas"
I ask you, when was he supposed to get those? And with what money?
I tuned to the stream when HyuN vs Symbol was happening, and looking at chat for no less than five seconds gave me enough of a reason to shut it down.
On November 04 2013 08:06 Darkhoarse wrote: The twitch chat for this is just god awful. "Sora is bad, should've had immortals and archons to counter the roaches and mutas"
I ask you, when was he supposed to get those? And with what money?
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
If Alive wins blizzcon I will buy you 12 months of TL+, that's how confident I am that It's not going to happen. Bookmark this post.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
If Alive wins blizzcon I will buy you 12 months of TL+, that's how confident I am that It's not going to happen. Bookmark this post.
If aLive actually does win I might be so happy I let you off the hook.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
by "he" you mean Mvp, of course.
Actually by pronoun antecedent rules that is impossible. Common mistake np.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
by "he" you mean Mvp, of course.
Actually by pronoun antecedent rules that is impossible. Common mistake np.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
by "he" you mean Mvp, of course.
Actually by pronoun antecedent rules that is impossible. Common mistake np.
exactly, which is why i corrected your mistake
also triple evo. dat shit cray.
Ok full disclosure here. Mvp has a much better shot to win than aLive. aLive is maybe the least likely player there to win. Blind fanboyism OP!
Great counter by Sora. The phoenix scouting and the MSC recall makes this type of moveout very safe. Killing that fourth really delays the push from HyuN.
Also big supply block at 118, doesn't matter that much since he spent all his money on +2+2+2 upgrades :D
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
by "he" you mean Mvp, of course.
Actually by pronoun antecedent rules that is impossible. Common mistake np.
exactly, which is why i corrected your mistake
also triple evo. dat shit cray.
Ok full disclosure here. Mvp has a much better shot to win than aLive. aLive is maybe the least likely player there to win. Blind fanboyism OP!
Nah I'm pretty sure duckdeok is less likely to win.
On November 04 2013 08:10 Dodgin wrote: Fairly important day of WCS AM with no thread up ;o Alive's performance determines if Mvp plays Polt or Jaedong at blizzcon.
Actually aLive's performance determines who he will eliminate first on his way to the Blizzcon championship.
by "he" you mean Mvp, of course.
Actually by pronoun antecedent rules that is impossible. Common mistake np.
exactly, which is why i corrected your mistake
also triple evo. dat shit cray.
Ok full disclosure here. Mvp has a much better shot to win than aLive. aLive is maybe the least likely player there to win. Blind fanboyism OP!
Nah I'm pretty sure duckdeok is less likely to win.
Thanks! That's the nicest thing someone has said about aLive's chances on TL all week!
What a game! Hyun' had like 90+ drones 3 evo chambers going and a hive on the way around the 14 minute mark. Sora had flawless late game decision making and crisis management. It was like the zerg might vs protoss foresight.
HyuN has the advantage mid-game, but Sora is superior in the late-game clearly. If HyuN learns from the pattern and tries to finish it at least by mid-game, it should finish. If Sora can take game 6, we at least get an additional game to an epic series.
Great series despite a sloppy mistake from Sora with the Sentries. Definitely happy to see one of the greatest ZvP series in a while and HyuN qualifying for Red Bull Battlegrounds. Kudos to Sora, he gave his best and proved he can play with the best, I gained some enormous respect for this guy.
Scarlett is blind countering a reaper opening. Yeonsu is the by far best reaper map in the map pool. I've seen Suppy do a 9-10 scout on some maps, going pool first if the terran player is going reaper.
I guess Scarlett is confident in her ability to beat qxc in a macro game, and is fine with starting behind vs a CC first build.
Huk loses all 3 of his Nexus and does not have enough money to build a new one so he must all in... even if he has 20 probes and infrastructure at 3 bases....
Was there any feedback from any of the players during the tournament?
Wondering if on some korea website they were talking about it at all. I'd love to get Partings thoughts on it all. Plexa, set up an interview! Come on now!
EPT
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