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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 20:22:57
October 30 2013 20:22 GMT
#361
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
Hopefully David Kim is watching..

And what can he do about this?


Change the game?

As in? It is hard to figure out how to make terrans that got behind from beginning win the games.
Lol.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#362
On October 31 2013 05:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:19 Squat wrote:
If this becomes new meta I might just start enjoying TvP

You mean PvT? Because in it's current form PvT in this form is 100%

I have no idea what this means.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 30 2013 20:23 GMT
#363
Unfortunately San is a bit too good for the rest of the line-up, but we got to see some interesting and fun games. Strelok vs Ret was the highlight series.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
October 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#364
This really shouldn't have worked without storm/templars.
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
October 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#365
Man, he even got raped by the troll build. Strelok can't be pleased.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#366
On October 31 2013 05:23 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:19 Squat wrote:
If this becomes new meta I might just start enjoying TvP

You mean PvT? Because in it's current form PvT in this form is 100%

I have no idea what this means.

I mean that if you mean tempests raping mine-less and viking-low army then Protoss wins. Especially on small map like Yeonsu.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
October 30 2013 20:24 GMT
#367
On October 31 2013 05:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
Hopefully David Kim is watching..

And what can he do about this?


Change the game?

As in? It is hard to figure out how to make terrans that got behind from beginning win the games.
Lol.


Would you think it actually matters what Protoss can do early game to Terran and that it forces certain openings and such?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#368
On October 31 2013 05:24 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:21 Everlong wrote:
Hopefully David Kim is watching..

And what can he do about this?


Change the game?

As in? It is hard to figure out how to make terrans that got behind from beginning win the games.
Lol.


Would you think it actually matters what Protoss can do early game to Terran and that it forces certain openings and such?

Price for options.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#369
I still think Destiny was the best player in this tournament, he just had bad luck and would easily have beaten San in the finals with his mindgames
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:26 GMT
#370
On October 31 2013 05:25 Squat wrote:
I still think Destiny was the best player in this tournament, he just had bad luck and would easily have beaten San in the finals with his mindgames

No way San will expect infestors 3rd game in a row. Ah nvm, he had blink.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
October 30 2013 20:26 GMT
#371
Need to see more games but the early game T(mech)vP looks potentially broken in favor of P.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:27 GMT
#372
On October 31 2013 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Need to see more games but the early game T(mech)vP looks potentially broken in favor of P.

Well, 1 base terran just sucks in general nowadays.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 20:29:08
October 30 2013 20:28 GMT
#373
On October 31 2013 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Need to see more games but the early game T(mech)vP looks potentially broken in favor of P.


Yeah, San did random builds and got far ahead every time, while Strelok with ton of experience playing mech had no idea what is going on.. Seems pretty broken to me.

Yes, I know San is the better player here.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#374
On October 31 2013 05:28 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Need to see more games but the early game T(mech)vP looks potentially broken in favor of P.


Yeah, San did random builds and got far ahead every time, while Strelok with ton of experience playing mech had no idea what is going on.. Seems pretty broken to me.

Yes, I know San is the better player here.

1 base terran sucks. Short overview of SC2 after queen patch and HotS.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
October 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#375
On October 31 2013 05:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:28 Everlong wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Need to see more games but the early game T(mech)vP looks potentially broken in favor of P.


Yeah, San did random builds and got far ahead every time, while Strelok with ton of experience playing mech had no idea what is going on.. Seems pretty broken to me.

Yes, I know San is the better player here.

1 base terran sucks. Short overview of SC2 after queen patch and HotS.


I agree with you, are you happy now? :p
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 20:34:41
October 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#376
It seems that to be somewhat safe you have to delay the expo for a long time and Protoss gets a big advantage in eco. Again, need to see more games.

Tanks still suck against Protoss no doubt about that. Hopefully they are good enough to have a place in TvZ now.
EDIT: Axlav, way to biased against Terran.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
October 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#377
Too bad the series didn't show anything new.
We already knew that mech openings are unsafe, 3rd bases a nightmare to hold and air transitions difficult to handle.
Maybe revival of the 2 base all-in is in order.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
October 30 2013 20:37 GMT
#378
On October 31 2013 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Too bad the series didn't show anything new.
We already knew that mech openings are unsafe, 3rd bases a nightmare to hold and air transitions difficult to handle.
Maybe revival of the 2 base all-in is in order.


not in TvP. In TvZ there is already room for some potent 2base mech allins.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 30 2013 20:44 GMT
#379
On October 31 2013 05:37 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Too bad the series didn't show anything new.
We already knew that mech openings are unsafe, 3rd bases a nightmare to hold and air transitions difficult to handle.
Maybe revival of the 2 base all-in is in order.


not in TvP. In TvZ there is already room for some potent 2base mech allins.

Well, playing mech in TvP in SC2 is like playing bio in TvP in SC:BW. Can work, if you take enemy by surprise.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 30 2013 20:57 GMT
#380
On October 31 2013 05:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 05:37 TeeTS wrote:
On October 31 2013 05:32 pmp10 wrote:
Too bad the series didn't show anything new.
We already knew that mech openings are unsafe, 3rd bases a nightmare to hold and air transitions difficult to handle.
Maybe revival of the 2 base all-in is in order.


not in TvP. In TvZ there is already room for some potent 2base mech allins.

Well, playing mech in TvP in SC2 is like playing bio in TvP in SC:BW. Can work, if you take enemy by surprise.

How anyone can be taken by surprise by mech is beyond me tbh.
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