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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He is both. His mechanics are far from ones of DRG and Losira though. I think he's even with Losira, worse than DRG. *Like Losira spends all of his apm on small counters, creep spread and inject. Soulkey spends his apm on map control, burrow lings, counters, injects and a little creep spread. Why would you say that? Is there any evidence for these kind of statements or just "trashtalk" ?? huh?
If you aren't being snide, I'll answer it honestly. When I say "worse" the term is relative. It's like DRG's 100 to Soulkey's 98. Basically DRG has shown he can play against Innovation heads up and win in a game based solely off mechanics, i.e. Creep spread, countering, map awareness, burrowed lings/banelings, injects, etc.
Soulkey has also shown he can play Innovation heads up in a long game, but starts to slowly fall behind as it gets to the 30 minutes mark. Just look at his second PL game against Innovation and his g1 against Innovation in WCS KR 2. Of course, I could be wrong about Soulkey as we haven't seen him play against Innovation in a long time, but for now I think DRG is mechanically better than Soulkey just based off of that. But it's not like my opinion is written in stone.
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Goodbye Polt T_T 2 Ro16 finishes in 2 Season finals. I lost hope.
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:53 The_Templar wrote:Group A: Loser's Match
 Polt vs  Soulkey
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Map: Polar Night Polt spawns in the bottom Soulkey spawns in the top
2:00
Polt going barracks followed by gas.
Soulkey getting a hatchery first.
Soulkey getting an extractor followed by a spawning pool.
Polt making a reaper.
3:00
Polt expanding on the low ground
Polt getting a reactor on his barracks.
Polt arrives in Soulkey's main.
Soulkey getting zergling speed.
Polt getting a factory.
4:00
Polt getting another reaper as well as a marine.
Soulkey getting an extra queen.
Polt starting to wall his natural.
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Soulkey moving out with 4 zerglings.
Polt getting 2 hellions.
Polt getting a starport.
Polt making a bunker.
Soulkey getting another queen and 2 more extractors.
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United States23455 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:52 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He is both. His mechanics are far from ones of DRG and Losira though. I think he's even with Losira, worse than DRG. *Like Losira spends all of his apm on small counters, creep spread and inject. Soulkey spends his apm on map control, burrow lings, counters, injects and a little creep spread. Why would you say that? Is there any evidence for these kind of statements or just "trashtalk" ?? huh? Well i mean, how do you guys "know" who has better mechanics etc? Is it just cause of some apm videos? I mean soulkey played broodwar, i dont think that losira or drg have better mechanics than a broodwar zerg :o I am just curious cause oftentimes i think those talks about mechanics are kinda biased?^^
Speaking of bias, you assume someone has better mechanics because they are a "broodwar zerg". HYPOCRISY
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Austria24420 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:54 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:50 Paljas wrote:On October 27 2013 02:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:49 Shellshock wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
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I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He was just such a turtle player early on that I couldn't stand him. He's gotten so much more entertaining, but I still carry a negative bias. W-h-a-t? That isn't true at all. Should we remind you how he got out of that GSL season 5 of 2012 Ro32 group with Maru (whom Soulkey ended up kicking to Code B lol) and HerO :D? That last series vs HerO is one of the big 3 series of imbalance in WoL Annyeong vs HerO and Leenock vs HerO I'm guessing are the other 2 for you? Nah, HerO vs Leenock and Seed vs Symbol (the rematch) are the other two some 1-1-1 TvP series and other terran shit at the beginning of wol was worse imo Tbh protoss were just terrible at dealing with the 1-1-1 and maps played a big role too nah. 1-1-1 was just bullshit. most powerfull all in in WoL imo. even better than 11/11 and soultrain.
It was kind of but I mean, on a map like Crossfire there was literally no way to hold a well executed 1/1/1, immortal range buff or not. Really map dependent imo
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On October 27 2013 02:55 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:55 FrvPssn wrote:
Polt is on tilt...he misclicked his entire scv squad :-O He said he was sick TT
I just hate for him go out 4th and all the "see I told you so's" coming out of the woodwork. Polt on form is definitely able to compete with the GSL pros. Unfortunately he hasn't look in finals form for this weekend yet =\.
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On October 27 2013 02:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:50 Paljas wrote:On October 27 2013 02:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:49 Shellshock wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He was just such a turtle player early on that I couldn't stand him. He's gotten so much more entertaining, but I still carry a negative bias. W-h-a-t? That isn't true at all. Should we remind you how he got out of that GSL season 5 of 2012 Ro32 group with Maru (whom Soulkey ended up kicking to Code B lol) and HerO :D? That last series vs HerO is one of the big 3 series of imbalance in WoL Annyeong vs HerO and Leenock vs HerO I'm guessing are the other 2 for you? Nah, HerO vs Leenock and Seed vs Symbol (the rematch) are the other two some 1-1-1 TvP series and other terran shit at the beginning of wol was worse imo Tbh protoss were just terrible at dealing with the 1-1-1 and maps played a big role too
No that shit was just broken. It took the immortal tweak and huge map changes to make it competitive. 1-1-1 explains 80% of uh that practice-partner's success- Puma!
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United States23455 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:53 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:50 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He was just such a turtle player early on that I couldn't stand him. He's gotten so much more entertaining, but I still carry a negative bias. W-h-a-t? That isn't true at all. Should we remind you how he got out of that GSL season 5 of 2012 Ro32 group with Maru (whom Soulkey ended up kicking to Code B lol) and HerO :D? That last series vs HerO is one of the big 3 series of imbalance in WoL Lots of Zergs even top foreigner zergs were running all over HerO back then too. Cutetoss hated it. Yeah. HerO went super desperation mode, had to force himself to play a game that he's not good at. Since actually being good at macro PvZ was not a viable option Well HerO had a super amazing multi-task oriented PvZ style where he would pick off bases and be literally everywhere. Which didn't matter when Leenock could just sit in his corner of Antiga on basically no mining, get Broodlords/Infestors, and neural the mothership. Once he learned to Soul train he started doing better. (see his NASL win over Violet) Any type of build order execution based strategy has never been his style. He's not someone who sits at home and practices a build 20 times over until he gets it down perfectly I feel. He's a much more varied player than most others which makes him win games that nobody else would ever win but it also bites him at times when execution is what he needs.
Truth :/
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:58 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:53 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:50 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
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I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He was just such a turtle player early on that I couldn't stand him. He's gotten so much more entertaining, but I still carry a negative bias. W-h-a-t? That isn't true at all. Should we remind you how he got out of that GSL season 5 of 2012 Ro32 group with Maru (whom Soulkey ended up kicking to Code B lol) and HerO :D? That last series vs HerO is one of the big 3 series of imbalance in WoL Lots of Zergs even top foreigner zergs were running all over HerO back then too. Cutetoss hated it. Yeah. HerO went super desperation mode, had to force himself to play a game that he's not good at. Since actually being good at macro PvZ was not a viable option Well HerO had a super amazing multi-task oriented PvZ style where he would pick off bases and be literally everywhere. Which didn't matter when Leenock could just sit in his corner of Antiga on basically no mining, get Broodlords/Infestors, and neural the mothership. Once he learned to Soul train he started doing better. (see his NASL win over Violet) Any type of build order execution based strategy has never been his style. He's not someone who sits at home and practices a build 20 times over until he gets it down perfectly I feel. He's a much more varied player than most others which makes him win games that nobody else would ever win but it also bites him at times when execution is what he needs. Truth :/
Lois lane truly a Hero expert.
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United States23455 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:57 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:55 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:55 FrvPssn wrote:
Polt is on tilt...he misclicked his entire scv squad :-O He said he was sick TT I just hate for him go out 4th and all the "see I told you so's" coming out of the woodwork. Polt on form is definitely able to compete with the GSL pros. Unfortunately he hasn't look in finals form for this weekend yet =\.
Yeah people will act that way which is a shame. He's not feeling well and you can see it in his play. Can't really judge him for this.
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On October 27 2013 02:50 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:49 lystier wrote:
Hard choice between soulkey and Naniwa(XD) Naniwa's position is not affected by Soulkey winning this match at all. Granted Soulkey may have a worse chance to knock out Trap or Oz.
Oh really...COOL! GO SOULKEY!
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On October 27 2013 02:57 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:52 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He is both. His mechanics are far from ones of DRG and Losira though. I think he's even with Losira, worse than DRG. *Like Losira spends all of his apm on small counters, creep spread and inject. Soulkey spends his apm on map control, burrow lings, counters, injects and a little creep spread. Why would you say that? Is there any evidence for these kind of statements or just "trashtalk" ?? huh? Well i mean, how do you guys "know" who has better mechanics etc? Is it just cause of some apm videos? I mean soulkey played broodwar, i dont think that losira or drg have better mechanics than a broodwar zerg :o I am just curious cause oftentimes i think those talks about mechanics are kinda biased?^^ Speaking of bias, you assume someone has better mechanics because they are a "broodwar zerg". HYPOCRISY
gosh you really wanna start something like that? no ty..
And ty @ stuchiu that makes sense i guess :D
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I do not like that build by polt.
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Im a bit surprised Polt doesnt read SK and the fact that he knows the viking will be out thus not positioning any overlords on the map. Polt could get the effect of the vikings (no overlords on the map to scout drops) now without even making the viking
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Austria24420 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:59 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:58 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:53 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:50 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2013 02:45 Darkhoarse wrote:
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He was just such a turtle player early on that I couldn't stand him. He's gotten so much more entertaining, but I still carry a negative bias. W-h-a-t? That isn't true at all. Should we remind you how he got out of that GSL season 5 of 2012 Ro32 group with Maru (whom Soulkey ended up kicking to Code B lol) and HerO :D? That last series vs HerO is one of the big 3 series of imbalance in WoL Lots of Zergs even top foreigner zergs were running all over HerO back then too. Cutetoss hated it. Yeah. HerO went super desperation mode, had to force himself to play a game that he's not good at. Since actually being good at macro PvZ was not a viable option Well HerO had a super amazing multi-task oriented PvZ style where he would pick off bases and be literally everywhere. Which didn't matter when Leenock could just sit in his corner of Antiga on basically no mining, get Broodlords/Infestors, and neural the mothership. Once he learned to Soul train he started doing better. (see his NASL win over Violet) Any type of build order execution based strategy has never been his style. He's not someone who sits at home and practices a build 20 times over until he gets it down perfectly I feel. He's a much more varied player than most others which makes him win games that nobody else would ever win but it also bites him at times when execution is what he needs. Truth :/ Lois lane truly a Hero expert.
What was Hawkgirl's thing again?
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 27 2013 02:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:53 The_Templar wrote:Group A: Loser's Match
Polt vs Soulkey
0-1
Map: Polar Night Polt spawns in the bottom Soulkey spawns in the top 2:00 Polt going barracks followed by gas. Soulkey getting a hatchery first. Soulkey getting an extractor followed by a spawning pool. Polt making a reaper. 3:00 Polt expanding on the low ground Polt getting a reactor on his barracks. Polt arrives in Soulkey's main. Soulkey getting zergling speed. Polt getting a factory. 4:00 Polt getting another reaper as well as a marine. Soulkey getting an extra queen. Polt starting to wall his natural. 5:00 Soulkey moving out with 4 zerglings. Polt getting 2 hellions. Polt getting a starport. Polt making a bunker. Soulkey getting another queen and 2 more extractors.
6:00 Polt 42 vs Soulkey 52
Polt moving out with his first two hellions.
Soulkey getting a lair.
Polt getting a viking and another barracks.
7:00 Polt 58 vs Soulkey 60
Polt moving out with 4 hellions and reapers.
Polt getting stim.
Polt scouts no third base.
Polt getting a medivac.
Soulkey pushing off the reapers and hellions.
Viking moving across the map.
8:00 Polt 67 vs Soulkey 64
Polt preventing a drone from taking the third until queens get there.
Soulkey pushes back the hellions and takes the third base.
Viking finding no overlords.
9:00 Polt 86 vs Soulkey 84
Soulkey morphing defensive banelings.
Polt getting a third CC.
Soulkey getting baneling speed and 1/1 melee.
Polt getting 1/1 and combat shield.
10:00 Polt 94 vs Soulkey 99
Polt pushing into the third base
Baneling speed isn't finished.
Soulkey stalling.
One mutalisk joins the fight, soon accompanied by another.
Polt moves back.
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United States23455 Posts
On October 27 2013 03:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2013 02:57 Darkhoarse wrote:On October 27 2013 02:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:52 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 27 2013 02:46 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:44 stuchiu wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 27 2013 02:43 Darkhoarse wrote:
I hate that Soulkey is so good :/ I love it. And he is clever zerg, not mechanical one :D He is both. His mechanics are far from ones of DRG and Losira though. I think he's even with Losira, worse than DRG. *Like Losira spends all of his apm on small counters, creep spread and inject. Soulkey spends his apm on map control, burrow lings, counters, injects and a little creep spread. Why would you say that? Is there any evidence for these kind of statements or just "trashtalk" ?? huh? Well i mean, how do you guys "know" who has better mechanics etc? Is it just cause of some apm videos? I mean soulkey played broodwar, i dont think that losira or drg have better mechanics than a broodwar zerg :o I am just curious cause oftentimes i think those talks about mechanics are kinda biased?^^ Speaking of bias, you assume someone has better mechanics because they are a "broodwar zerg". HYPOCRISY gosh you really wanna start something like that? no ty.. And ty @ stuchio that makes sense i guess :D
I don't understand haha.
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"Absolutely annihilated"
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