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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
October 21 2013 02:05 GMT
#1481
bitter gives some serious interviews.. great job.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
October 21 2013 02:05 GMT
#1482
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?

Maybe he's worked out that it saves him money from scans longterm or something...
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
October 21 2013 02:05 GMT
#1483
Nice game from Polt! Though I would have liked to see a rematch vs. Jaedong, Byul should provide some good games too...
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
October 21 2013 02:05 GMT
#1484
Oh fuck, Final is tonight?! It's already 3am -_-
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
October 21 2013 02:05 GMT
#1485
On October 21 2013 11:03 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


Did he use PDD? Seems good to protect your vikings vs stalkers.

He did use PDD, but it's not like PDD is very good against feedback and just having the raven is risky vs feedback. Because yer, he's making the turrets against dts and not using the raven for fx. auto turret harass or something gimmicky. It hasn't paid off in any straight-forwards way, so I'm kind of thinking that he's using it to deter observers to allow for his doom drop style.
VictorX
Profile Joined April 2011
United States773 Posts
October 21 2013 02:06 GMT
#1486
On October 21 2013 11:04 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


He's using it for PDD to pick off the colossus
But Oz was very Stalker lite, so it didn't really mater.



It might just be for wiping obs. He's trading gas, a resource Terran has too much of in 3base, for MULEs (minerals), a resource Terran can't have enough of in TvP.

Also we see that late game DT harass has been the death of many many many Terrans. Perhaps Polt is reading into the current PvT meta and covering all his bases.

Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 21 2013 02:06 GMT
#1487
In the end, the raven can be useful in a lot of situation.
People get mad at Terrans for never trying it out, and Polt had found a way to get one without hindering his build, so why not ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 21 2013 02:06 GMT
#1488
On October 21 2013 11:02 openbox1 wrote:
it cracks me up so much with the USA chants.
Same with Stephano.

Stephano vs Polt, the great American rivalry.
Off-season = best season
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#1489
On October 21 2013 11:05 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:03 DJHelium wrote:
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


Did he use PDD? Seems good to protect your vikings vs stalkers.

He did use PDD, but it's not like PDD is very good against feedback and just having the raven is risky vs feedback. Because yer, he's making the turrets against dts and not using the raven for fx. auto turret harass or something gimmicky. It hasn't paid off in any straight-forwards way, so I'm kind of thinking that he's using it to deter observers to allow for his doom drop style.


You're probably correct. Also terrans often banks a lot of gas late mid-late game, and he wants to get that second starport up anyway for more viking production. Makes the raven not that expensive.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
October 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#1490
On October 21 2013 11:06 VictorX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:04 Noocta wrote:
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


He's using it for PDD to pick off the colossus
But Oz was very Stalker lite, so it didn't really mater.



It might just be for wiping obs. He's trading gas, a resource Terran has too much of in 3base, for MULEs (minerals), a resource Terran can't have enough of in TvP.

Also we see that late game DT harass has been the death of many many many Terrans. Perhaps Polt is reading into the current PvT meta and covering all his bases.


Yeah I think this is it. Overall a raven is a nice thing to have, probably won't change the game much though.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
October 21 2013 02:07 GMT
#1491
Jaedong . .I was hoping for another #2 in his title list.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#1492
I hope Byul can keep his composure here in the finals and just enjoy the moment. If he does I think this will be alot of fun to watch.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
October 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#1493
I'm still orgasming from Polt's intense TvP.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
October 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#1494
On October 21 2013 11:04 Dark.Carnival wrote:
Oz didn't play well that game but it looked even worse because derelict is such a bad map D: Don't think Polt has much chance against Dear or Trap at the season finals if he runs into them, the other protoss he can probably win against.

If Byul plays well he should be able to win against Polt, depends how much he lets nerves affect him :3


Don't know if I would be so dismissive about Polt, but yeah, Derelict is a terrible map for Toss. Even worse in PvZ. So hard to defend the third and the starting location against Terran and against Zerg, they're commonly surrounded when trying to move between the 2nd and 3rd bases in that huge open space. The gigantic ramp doesn't help much either.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
October 21 2013 02:08 GMT
#1495
On October 21 2013 11:06 VictorX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:04 Noocta wrote:
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


He's using it for PDD to pick off the colossus
But Oz was very Stalker lite, so it didn't really mater.



It might just be for wiping obs. He's trading gas, a resource Terran has too much of in 3base, for MULEs (minerals), a resource Terran can't have enough of in TvP.

Also we see that late game DT harass has been the death of many many many Terrans. Perhaps Polt is reading into the current PvT meta and covering all his bases.


At that time in the game, terran does not have to much gas, infact terran is around that time heavily gas starved. It's right after that, that you start floating the gas. That's why I'm not sure about the raven, adding 200 gas cost is painful on upgrades, vikings/medivacs, ghosts and infrastructure
FrvPssn
Profile Joined August 2013
France402 Posts
October 21 2013 02:09 GMT
#1496
POLT!!!!
Too bad for JD, I was hoping for a final rematch....
For the night is dark and full of Terran!!!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 21 2013 02:09 GMT
#1497
Poll: Final score?

Polt 4-2 (7)
 
33%

Polt 4-1 (6)
 
29%

Polt 4-3 (4)
 
19%

Polt 4-0 (2)
 
10%

ByuL 4-0 (2)
 
10%

ByuL 4-3 (0)
 
0%

ByuL 4-2 (0)
 
0%

ByuL 4-1 (0)
 
0%

21 total votes

Your vote: Final score?

(Vote): Polt 4-0
(Vote): Polt 4-1
(Vote): Polt 4-2
(Vote): Polt 4-3
(Vote): ByuL 4-3
(Vote): ByuL 4-2
(Vote): ByuL 4-1
(Vote): ByuL 4-0

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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 02:10:00
October 21 2013 02:09 GMT
#1498
GOGO BYUL!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 21 2013 02:09 GMT
#1499
Way to go Hack! Glad to see you at least advance to Toronto!!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 21 2013 02:10 GMT
#1500
On October 21 2013 11:08 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 11:06 VictorX wrote:
On October 21 2013 11:04 Noocta wrote:
On October 21 2013 11:02 Zarahtra wrote:
I really don't understand that raven... I mean he's actually making an effort to fit it in, you reckon it is to prevent observers from spotting his army movements without having to scan?


He's using it for PDD to pick off the colossus
But Oz was very Stalker lite, so it didn't really mater.



It might just be for wiping obs. He's trading gas, a resource Terran has too much of in 3base, for MULEs (minerals), a resource Terran can't have enough of in TvP.

Also we see that late game DT harass has been the death of many many many Terrans. Perhaps Polt is reading into the current PvT meta and covering all his bases.


At that time in the game, terran does not have to much gas, infact terran is around that time heavily gas starved. It's right after that, that you start floating the gas. That's why I'm not sure about the raven, adding 200 gas cost is painful on upgrades, vikings/medivacs, ghosts and infrastructure


Don't forget Polt add the second starport a bit later than usual, going for the 8 rax beforehand.
He's a bit more ease on the gas at that point.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
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