EPT[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 3 2013 - Page 53
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farnham
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ETisME
12276 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:23 Jer99 wrote: So when terran doesn't split their marines against banelings, it's not banelings OP but the terrans fault for not splitting? When zerg doesn't split against widow mines, its widow mines OP and not the zergs fault for not splitting? That's what i am seeing. The winrates right now are in favor of zerg, so why would terran get a nerf? I think most people are completely ignoring how different the two engages. Terran poke with bio to kill off some lings and banelings, just like how zerg sent off some lings to bait widow mine shots. BUT for the actual engagement, Terran pulls away from the banelings and Zerg moves the banelings into the bio. Widow mines hits become unavoidable because you are engaging with your whole army. i.e. you can't micro against a widow mine that has targetted a unit. Terran on the other hand can improvise with micro, lifting up marines, splitting the bio and stutterstepping etc. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3053 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:25 Fusilero wrote: Hey look, MMA came back when he got back with Ryu Won. I heard that if you pull hard enough on MMA's cheek, you can pull off his mask to reveal iloveoov :O | ||
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Scarlett`
China2371 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:25 Darkhoarse wrote: I'm willing to bet Scarlett and MMA rarely practice together. She's been on break, they're cross server, time zone differences, etc. We were playing before his matches today and yesterday ~_~ | ||
Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:25 Lonyo wrote: Zerg and terran are entirely different in terms of unit control. For one thing, zerg units are mostly melee or very short range, meaning it's a hell of a lot harder to effectively work with the units. Another thing is it's BORING to see spam of MMWM. Who cares about balance when it's just boring as hell. Splitting units is splitting, it's not different if they are melee or ranged. And that's a very subjective thing to say, maybe its not MMWM that's boring, maybe it's ling/bane/muta that's boring. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:26 goody153 wrote: i think mma is better than vortix to be honest .. but that doesnt mean vortix suck .. i see no european zerg doing that good against crazy constant pressure with limited bases who couldnt expand .. the disgusting part that people complains is that .. mma was basically building nothing other than widow mines and marines .. and mass amount of them .. 5 mines at a time is just too much .. Vortix is sick good, no denial. But i would not place him as even opponent against MMA in his current form. Also, well, if zerg is good at picking off mines and it is easy to forget to build one, why not 3 factory mine :D? | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:26 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: We were playing before his matches today and yesterday ~_~ Then what the fuck do I know lol. | ||
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unigolyn
Estonia1272 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:25 Lonyo wrote: Zerg and terran are entirely different in terms of unit control. For one thing, zerg units are mostly melee or very short range, meaning it's a hell of a lot harder to effectively work with the units. Another thing is it's BORING to see spam of MMWM. Who cares about balance when it's just boring as hell. But watching muta/ling/bling is exciting? I for one love watching good biomine vs good mutaling, it's hugely micro intensive and has non-stop engagements. Beats the hell out of watching every game decided in one engagement. | ||
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:26 ETisME wrote: I think most people are completely ignoring how different the two engages. Terran poke with bio to kill off some lings and banelings, just like how zerg sent off some lings to bait widow mine shots. BUT for the actual engagement, Terran pulls away from the banelings and Zerg moves the banelings into the bio. Widow mines hits become unavoidable because you are engaging with your whole army. i.e. you can't micro against a widow mine that has targetted a unit. Terran on the other hand can improvise with micro, lifting up marines, splitting the bio and stutterstepping etc. Don't forget that widow mines also splash onto our bio, so 1 zergling baiting a widow mine shot can do immense damage to multiple bio units | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:26 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: We were playing before his matches today and yesterday ~_~ Did you win? | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:25 DusTerr wrote: That's just because you can see the banelings (ZvZ). If WMs were not burrowed you'd probably find it VERY easy to micro against them. The other big thing people are overlooking is the offensive capability of banelings vs WM. WM have to be positioned before (occasionally during) a fight. Banelings can attack. With drilling claws they don't really need to be positioned before a fight at all, WM have better offensive and defensive abilities than widow mines. It would be interesting to see a zerg set up a mine field like a terran but one good scan and all of that work goes away (compared to the WM which can hit the overseer while its burrowed, which makes killing WM slightly more difficult) | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Never question the Zerg illuminati. | ||
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Morphage
France492 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
I am very much ashamed T_T | ||
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Scarlett`
China2371 Posts
In macro games I won but died a few times to his new early shenanigans :< | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
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HolydaKing
21253 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:26 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: We were playing before his matches today and yesterday ~_~ So you are the reason Nerchio lost. Just kidding. :-) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 07 2013 00:28 Morphage wrote: I missed Vortix vs MMA, how were the games ? Was it very one sided ? Missed game 1, but games 2 and 3 were pretty awesome. Not even that one sided. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
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