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[WCS EU] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 3 2013 - Page 48

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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#941
oh please make mech .. make me happy
this is a quote
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#942
MMA did his math, more factories = more mines!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#943
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#944
On October 07 2013 00:13 goody153 wrote:
oh please make mech .. make me happy



Ask Gumiho.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#945
On October 07 2013 00:12 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:10 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 Pitrocelli wrote:
MMA is really smart. He has seen that Blizzard confirmed mines being too good for their cost in test map notes and abuse them as long as he can. No other terran is playing with 20 mines at the same time, totally ignoring marauders.

That's not actually true. If you watch some popular terran streamers you'll see that is a fairly common TvZ style. ForGG, Select, etc. all do marine with a ton of mines style.

Actually, marine-mine without marauders relies on excellent splitting, hence ForGG stopped doing it and adds marauders.

Hmm I definitely saw him going no marauders a week or so ago.

I just reference his TvZs against Snute.

I always add quite a few marauders because I'm shitty at micro
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#946
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions


And it's so much more micro intensive to micro against ling/bling than to do damage with them.

This isn't the Unit Tester, and encounters aren't between single units, but army compositions.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
October 06 2013 15:13 GMT
#947
On October 07 2013 00:13 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:13 goody153 wrote:
oh please make mech .. make me happy



Ask Gumiho.

or flash
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
October 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#948
On October 07 2013 00:09 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:08 Pitrocelli wrote:
MMA is really smart. He has seen that Blizzard confirmed mines being too good for their cost in test map notes and abuse them as long as he can. No other terran is playing with 20 mines at the same time, totally ignoring marauders.


why would he make marauders ? there were no roach nor ultras that time

for banelings. you need 2 banelings to kill one marauder.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#949
On October 07 2013 00:13 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:13 Aeromi wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:13 goody153 wrote:
oh please make mech .. make me happy



Ask Gumiho.

or flash

Or Strelok. By the way, Strelok 2-1'd Vortix with mech IIRC. post hellbat patch even.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
October 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#950
On October 07 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.

So, Insanely fucking hard?
Or am I misreading something?
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#951
On October 07 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.


Which is pretty hard, don't you think? But let's not make this a balance discussion thread, there'S nothing to criticize in MMA's play, he deserves the win if he gets it.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#952
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

It's also much more micro intensive to micro against banelings than it is to do damage with them, at least in TvZ.
Long live the King of Wings
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#953
On October 07 2013 00:14 IcemanAsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.

So, Insanely fucking hard?
Or am I misreading something?

About as hard, not much harder. But not easier either. Just another robotic action. Except, that terran has 3-4 timers against 1.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#954
vortix needs to do a broodwar-esque muta harass
this is a quote
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#955
On October 07 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.

This is true. If I play zerg, my APM is generally 20-30 higher without actually playing faster. And splitting against banes combined with burrow/unburrow of mines is just as hard as sending in individual lings/triggering mines to me.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#956
On October 07 2013 00:14 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 Pitrocelli wrote:
MMA is really smart. He has seen that Blizzard confirmed mines being too good for their cost in test map notes and abuse them as long as he can. No other terran is playing with 20 mines at the same time, totally ignoring marauders.


why would he make marauders ? there were no roach nor ultras that time

for banelings. you need 2 banelings to kill one marauder.


Except they're useless against mutas and cost the same as 2 marines and take longer to build. If you can micro your marine/mine well enough, getting marauders makes no sense.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#957
MMA adding a factory this game, realizes widow mines are really good
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#958
On October 07 2013 00:14 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:12 miniskirt wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:09 liberate71 wrote:
On October 07 2013 00:08 LimitSEA wrote:
This whine is hilarious. I play zerg. Watching top tier zergs shows that if you can micro against widow mines, you can win. If you don't micro at all, you'll lose. See DRG vs Innovation.


Yerp. It IS unforgiving to take so much damage from widow mines, but it also is avoidable.

but it is so much more micro intensive to micro against WM than to do damage with them
in the end, zergs are more limited than terran because terrans needs less APM to do the same actions

No, zergs APM is inflated. Macroing perfectly is about as hard as doing perfect injects while keeping up the creep spread.


Which is pretty hard, don't you think? But let's not make this a balance discussion thread, there'S nothing to criticize in MMA's play, he deserves the win if he gets it.

I agree with the fact that MMA deserves all the wins he got.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#959
I know this is not the only reason that MMA is so strong, but really, I cannot wait for the widow mine nerf...
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
October 06 2013 15:15 GMT
#960
Funka is everywhere.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
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