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dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:31 GMT
#1361
On September 27 2013 22:28 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:25 dreamseller wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!


The only question?! Wtf?

What's worse than posts that whine? I know! Posts that bring nothing to the table but whining about the whine. So common here. And now I am whining about a whiner who is whining. Can you see where this goes?



You're gonna have a brain fart really soon. Why so serious?


Ah sorry, didn't realise you were joking.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha thank you for posting your joke :D :D

Please post more,

Regards

Comedy consumers on tl
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hipo
Profile Joined November 2010
France482 Posts
September 27 2013 13:31 GMT
#1362
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
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On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.

Soulkey...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 27 2013 13:32 GMT
#1363
Hahahahahahahahahahaha wow, this is soO good
AdministratorBreak the chains
Megapenthes
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom202 Posts
September 27 2013 13:32 GMT
#1364
what happened to super?
Polt, Jangbi, Hyun
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
September 27 2013 13:32 GMT
#1365
On September 27 2013 22:30 Douillos wrote:
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.

Honestly I didnt think Terran could be boring to watch, but then Innovation happened, should be a fun Ro8
krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
September 27 2013 13:33 GMT
#1366
On September 27 2013 22:30 Douillos wrote:
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.


Because everything else is kinda coin flippy. You don't go fast 3rd CC you are banking on zerg not building units, if they do you are very far behind. There's a reason TvP and TvZ, almost all terrans do the same stuff day in day out.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
September 27 2013 13:33 GMT
#1367
On September 27 2013 22:31 hipo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.

Soulkey...


He truly dominates? he didn't win anything since GSL 1, which was 6 month ago. Since then he got to a good, but not dominating Ro4 at the first WCS global finals, crashed and burn as the ace in PL, didn't get to the World finals the second time and overall played very well, but far from dominating.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 27 2013 13:33 GMT
#1368
On September 27 2013 22:18 bo1b wrote:
This is the same person who thinks having a separate hotkey for marines/marauders in order to stutter step without losing medivac healing is too hard.

He might be the most amazing player in the universe, but his bias is insane.

Oh, hadn't seen this one. How about you go laddering a bit with Terran, and experiment by yourself what happens when you try to manage 3 control groups in a fight lasting 3-4 seconds on average—all while splitting Marines and apparently targetting with Mines, something not even the Code S Terrans manage to do at once despite having 500-550 apm at peaks during engagements? I'm sure you'll do all of this so much better.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
September 27 2013 13:34 GMT
#1369
On September 27 2013 22:32 Nomzter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:30 Douillos wrote:
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.

Honestly I didnt think Terran could be boring to watch, but then Innovation happened, should be a fun Ro8


Acer is the new EG, sadly..
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:35 GMT
#1370
On September 27 2013 22:33 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:31 hipo wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.

Soulkey...


He truly dominates? he didn't win anything since GSL 1, which was 6 month ago. Since then he got to a good, but not dominating Ro4 at the first WCS global finals, crashed and burn as the ace in PL, didn't get to the World finals the second time and overall played very well, but far from dominating.


I don't think he was serious about soulkey, hence the ellipsis
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
September 27 2013 13:35 GMT
#1371
On September 27 2013 22:33 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:31 hipo wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.

Soulkey...


He truly dominates? he didn't win anything since GSL 1, which was 6 month ago. Since then he got to a good, but not dominating Ro4 at the first WCS global finals, crashed and burn as the ace in PL, didn't get to the World finals the second time and overall played very well, but far from dominating.

Yeah Soulkey isn't dominating, but he's one of the most consistent Code S ro8 players atleast.
Hello
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 13:37:00
September 27 2013 13:36 GMT
#1372
On September 27 2013 22:35 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:33 robson1 wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:31 hipo wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.

Soulkey...


He truly dominates? he didn't win anything since GSL 1, which was 6 month ago. Since then he got to a good, but not dominating Ro4 at the first WCS global finals, crashed and burn as the ace in PL, didn't get to the World finals the second time and overall played very well, but far from dominating.

Yeah Soulkey isn't dominating, but he's one of the most consistent Code S ro8 players atleast.

Violet would probably be just as consistent if he didn't screw his visa.
Ever since Sao Paulo violet is probably the single most consistent player in SC2 he's always a high finisher and threat but he's quiet this year due to fumbling his visa three times in a row.
Glorious SEA doto
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 27 2013 13:36 GMT
#1373
On September 27 2013 22:31 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:27 klup wrote:

But honnestly i don't see how terran can get rid of 4M with the dominance of mutas in this matchup. Mines are one soft counter for mutas and besides thor that can be magicboxed really easily there are no answer in the terran arsenal to mass mutas as protoss have with phenix.

yeh i think that's as big a reason as any why the zerg win percentage has gone way up, really heavy mutalisk styles are coming in, upwords of 30. It's so hard to hold expansions in the late game vs so many mutas. I know people have always been going mutas in hots, but maybe not quite so many as they are getting these days.

Correct. Zergs used to try to get away with hive behind 10-20 mutas, while the right approach is to mass as many mutas as possible (naturally you can go Hive earlier if the previous engagements went well, as soO did for instance this game) to defend Terran's pushes and then rampage his bases when he's stretched thin after taking his fourth.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
September 27 2013 13:37 GMT
#1374
On September 27 2013 22:34 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:32 Nomzter wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:30 Douillos wrote:
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.

Honestly I didnt think Terran could be boring to watch, but then Innovation happened, should be a fun Ro8


Acer is the new EG, sadly..


You're serious?

Scarlett does amazingly well.
Nerchio does very well.
MMA is on an upward spiral for months now and finally coming close to being his old self.

Paranoid and Bly have never been top top top level competitors....
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
September 27 2013 13:37 GMT
#1375
umm.... what.... how....

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Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
September 27 2013 13:38 GMT
#1376
On September 27 2013 22:34 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:32 Nomzter wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:30 Douillos wrote:
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.

Honestly I didnt think Terran could be boring to watch, but then Innovation happened, should be a fun Ro8


Acer is the new EG, sadly..



oh yeah thats why mma is playing like he's in 2011 form currently

and scarlett is really doing bad aswell


plz...
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:38 GMT
#1377
On September 27 2013 22:36 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:31 AxionSteel wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:27 klup wrote:

But honnestly i don't see how terran can get rid of 4M with the dominance of mutas in this matchup. Mines are one soft counter for mutas and besides thor that can be magicboxed really easily there are no answer in the terran arsenal to mass mutas as protoss have with phenix.

yeh i think that's as big a reason as any why the zerg win percentage has gone way up, really heavy mutalisk styles are coming in, upwords of 30. It's so hard to hold expansions in the late game vs so many mutas. I know people have always been going mutas in hots, but maybe not quite so many as they are getting these days.

Correct. Zergs used to try to get away with hive behind 10-20 mutas, while the right approach is to mass as many mutas as possible (naturally you can go Hive earlier if the previous engagements went well, as soO did for instance this game) to defend Terran's pushes and then rampage his bases when he's stretched thin after taking his fourth.


I note a complete absence of a solid counter argument to this, which makes me fearful that you are right and the nerfs put Terran back to the dark ages. Mvp is in no shape to save the race these days
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 27 2013 13:38 GMT
#1378
On September 27 2013 22:33 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:18 bo1b wrote:
This is the same person who thinks having a separate hotkey for marines/marauders in order to stutter step without losing medivac healing is too hard.

He might be the most amazing player in the universe, but his bias is insane.

Oh, hadn't seen this one. How about you go laddering a bit with Terran, and experiment by yourself what happens when you try to manage 3 control groups in a fight lasting 3-4 seconds on average—all while splitting Marines and apparently targetting with Mines, something not even the Code S Terrans manage to do at once despite having 500-550 apm at peaks during engagements? I'm sure you'll do all of this so much better.

I love stuff like this.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 27 2013 13:38 GMT
#1379
On September 27 2013 22:33 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:18 bo1b wrote:
This is the same person who thinks having a separate hotkey for marines/marauders in order to stutter step without losing medivac healing is too hard.

He might be the most amazing player in the universe, but his bias is insane.

Oh, hadn't seen this one. How about you go laddering a bit with Terran, and experiment by yourself what happens when you try to manage 3 control groups in a fight lasting 3-4 seconds on average—all while splitting Marines and apparently targetting with Mines, something not even the Code S Terrans manage to do at once despite having 500-550 apm at peaks during engagements? I'm sure you'll do all of this so much better.


the thing is, there are several reasons you normally want your medivacs right above the bio. If you put them on a different control group you might get more healing, but they are exposed if you kite back, you lose the option to insta pick up. I rather lose a bit of healing than lose a couple of medivacs or are unable to pick up and leave if nessecary.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:40 GMT
#1380
On September 27 2013 22:38 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:33 TheDwf wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:18 bo1b wrote:
This is the same person who thinks having a separate hotkey for marines/marauders in order to stutter step without losing medivac healing is too hard.

He might be the most amazing player in the universe, but his bias is insane.

Oh, hadn't seen this one. How about you go laddering a bit with Terran, and experiment by yourself what happens when you try to manage 3 control groups in a fight lasting 3-4 seconds on average—all while splitting Marines and apparently targetting with Mines, something not even the Code S Terrans manage to do at once despite having 500-550 apm at peaks during engagements? I'm sure you'll do all of this so much better.

I love stuff like this.


But he had a few things in there collectively called reason, which you choose to ignore.

Late game separate medivac micro just doesn't happen. It's not because 500 apm players haven't tried it. This has been discussed to death, you just weren't privy to it, it seems.
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