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On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..
i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.
There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.
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On September 27 2013 22:17 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:15 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:12 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me. in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though. Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs. He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean. The DRG series isn't a good example, DRG played the closest I've seen to perfect Zerg in those two games he won.
Quite on the contrary, it's a good example, because Bogus also plays the closest to perfect we've seen in TvZ.
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I'm starting to think that Blizz should leave widow mines just as they are now. But still some buffs to mech would be cool
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Vatican City State431 Posts
Lately Widow mines seems to dont hit shit. Maybe Blizzard did a hidden nerf because all Terrans are losing left and right to Zergs. Innovation and Flash losing to foreigner Zergs is crazy.
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On September 27 2013 22:18 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:17 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 22:15 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:12 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me. in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though. Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs. He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean. Careful you are getting dangerously close to saying Zerg is OP in ZvT Statistics currently nearing 60% in ZvT this month (In Korea) dangerously close to what Zerg claimed as overpowered, yes
Hey shut your mouth! Also, I read in an article that Protoss has always been struggling with T in HotS.
But yeah no I've always felt terran is the weakest race and the incoming nerfs to the mine aint gon' help.
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On September 27 2013 22:19 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:17 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:15 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:12 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me. in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though. Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs. He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean. The DRG series isn't a good example, DRG played the closest I've seen to perfect Zerg in those two games he won. Quite on the contrary, it's a good example, because Bogus also plays the closest to perfect we've seen in TvZ.
So perfect that jjakji looked better vs z
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On September 27 2013 22:17 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:16 Prugelhugel wrote:
The whole state of ZvT gives me headache.
Marine splitting against banes vs. Ling splitting against mines while mutas and drops fly around the map.
It's worse than Muta vs. Muta before the spore buff.
Hurry up with your Terran changes, Blizzard! I can't see the changes helping much, Terrans will just lose more from the changes they're planning on making at the moment.
Oh well, if terrans at least try to use different unit combinations it will be good enough for me as a spectator, bored of the same old every game in tvz. Think it'll be brutally hard though, but then again we have dominated for most of hots!
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On September 27 2013 22:19 p14c wrote:
Lately Widow mines seems to dont hit shit. Maybe Blizzard did a hidden nerf because all Terrans are losing left and right to the Zergs. Innovation and Flash losing to foreigners Zergs is crazy.
Nope, Zergs are just improving their micro and engagements and overall refining their anti-4M play, demonstrating their previous complaints and requests for Mine nerfs were once again premature and unnecessary.
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On September 27 2013 22:19 Keeemy wrote:
I'm starting to think that Blizz should leave widow mines just as they are now. But still some buffs to mech would be cool
Agreed, or either tone down the nerf a bit.
As much as I dislike mine-based play the current nerf would totally tank terran winrates.
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The only question that is worth asking...
Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?
Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!
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On September 27 2013 22:20 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:19 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:17 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:15 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:12 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me. in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though. Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs. He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean. The DRG series isn't a good example, DRG played the closest I've seen to perfect Zerg in those two games he won. Quite on the contrary, it's a good example, because Bogus also plays the closest to perfect we've seen in TvZ. So perfect that jjakji looked better vs z
Surely you're not serious?
Both DRG and Innovation played amazing that series (Except game 3, Innovation fell apart there)
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this whole week there have been so many weird games and results.
but what i wanna know more than anything is wtf Super was trying to do with that immortal build against Innovation.
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On September 27 2013 22:21 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:19 p14c wrote:
Lately Widow mines seems to dont hit shit. Maybe Blizzard did a hidden nerf because all Terrans are losing left and right to the Zergs. Innovation and Flash losing to foreigners Zergs is crazy. Nope, Zergs are just improving their micro and engagements and overall refining their anti-4M play, demonstrating their previous complaints and requests for Mine nerfs were once again premature and unnecessary.
I don't see any micro. I just see banelings and zerglings a-moved and widow mines hitting Overseers..
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wow. came back to look at the results.
what happened?
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On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...
Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?
Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!
Someone figure out something OP vs protoss so they can get in on the action.
On September 27 2013 22:23 Megapenthes wrote:
wow. came back to look at the results.
what happened?
soo roach bane busted innovation into straight up beating him in a macro game.
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On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..
i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification. There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days. There are many good players, but noone truly dominates. I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.
Yep, that's the point! I mean, you can either love a guy for his personality, or for his playstyle, or for his pure skill. Maybe I forgot another criteria, so remind me of it if it comes to your mind.
so, where in korea do you find a player with personality apart from MC and two or three more? And with personality, I do not mean failing a champagne pull at dreamhack, or saying "cheer for me" in bad english. I am sure those korean players do have a personality of course, but since they're not showing it, I can't choose any of them.
So, let's now go for playstyle - I loved Life's ling micro (beginning of HotS, MLG Life vs Flash...aaaawww, I loved that series), and I enjoy his aggressive style. That's why I am a Life fan. But I do not get to see much of him lately.. or let's say, nothing motivating. For Protoss, I went for LiquidHerO, because HerOvZ is just fun. Storm drops all the way, I remember matches on Entombed Valley vs, I think, Curious? Not sure. But hey, he's at least kind-of consistent in reaching WCS AM ro8's - no, wait.
So my last pick of favs was Innovation, I completely jumped on the hype train and was stunned by his TvZ performance.
Okay, it seems to be over now. So what to do, repick? Lolno.
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On September 27 2013 22:23 Megapenthes wrote:
wow. came back to look at the results.
what happened?
Zerg build banelings and mutas and still won despite his forth and fifth bases got sniped a few times...It's mind blowing.
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the new patch is gonna screw terran really hard. unless tanks are buffed even more terrans will still use 4m because it is still so much better. and if they are buffed it will mess with mech vs bio in tvt so they need to think this one through. will be interesting to see how players like supernova/bomber go though because they still incorporate tanks occasionally in tvz.
regarding tasteless....lol. he became average a year ago. he stumbles and fumbles around and doesn't know wtf is going on in game. he rides on artosis' knowledge and repeats everything he says and agrees to everything blindly...because he DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING. but he will still stay casting because he and artosis come as a team, you cannot remove him without removing artosis.
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On September 27 2013 22:22 p14c wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:21 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:19 p14c wrote:
Lately Widow mines seems to dont hit shit. Maybe Blizzard did a hidden nerf because all Terrans are losing left and right to the Zergs. Innovation and Flash losing to foreigners Zergs is crazy. Nope, Zergs are just improving their micro and engagements and overall refining their anti-4M play, demonstrating their previous complaints and requests for Mine nerfs were once again premature and unnecessary. I don't see any micro. I just see banelings and zerglings a-moved and widow mines hitting Overseers..
Open your eyes then
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