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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
September 27 2013 13:25 GMT
#1341
On September 27 2013 22:22 p14c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:21 TheDwf wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:19 p14c wrote:
Lately Widow mines seems to dont hit shit. Maybe Blizzard did a hidden nerf because all Terrans are losing left and right to the Zergs. Innovation and Flash losing to foreigners Zergs is crazy.

Nope, Zergs are just improving their micro and engagements and overall refining their anti-4M play, demonstrating their previous complaints and requests for Mine nerfs were once again premature and unnecessary.

I don't see any micro. I just see banelings and zerglings a-moved and widow mines hitting Overseers..

If you don't notice them splitting small packs or individual units from their army and not just 1a-ing towards mines, I understand.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:25 GMT
#1342
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!


The only question?! Wtf?

What's worse than posts that whine? I know! Posts that bring nothing to the table but whining about the whine. So common here. And now I am whining about a whiner who is whining. Can you see where this goes?
PGtour admin
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
September 27 2013 13:25 GMT
#1343
On September 27 2013 22:24 p14c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:23 Megapenthes wrote:
wow. came back to look at the results.
what happened?

Zerg build banelings and mutas and still won despite his forth and fifth bases got sniped a few times...It's mind blowing.

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaaa
Hello
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1344
On September 27 2013 22:23 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!

Someone figure out something OP vs protoss so they can get in on the action.


I'm no expert but it will probably not be tanks (I wish it was tanks)
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1345
On September 27 2013 22:16 dreamseller wrote:
Baneling heavy style a la drg is the key to the zvt meta? Is there still a need for the nerf? Have zergs finally figured it out?

yes they did, but that doesn´t stop them from crying ingame and in all the forums
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1346
People seem to forget that SoO did just get 2-0'd by Jjakji an hour or so before

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1347
On September 27 2013 22:24 p14c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:23 Megapenthes wrote:
wow. came back to look at the results.
what happened?

Zerg build banelings and mutas and still won despite his forth and fifth bases got sniped a few times...It's mind blowing.


Yeh that was the entire story of the game.
Zerg for Life
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1348
Beginning of the end of Bogus` era, heuhuehue.

jk, jk. WP jjakji & soO
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
September 27 2013 13:26 GMT
#1349
On September 27 2013 22:18 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:17 KelsierSC wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 TheDwf wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:12 TheDwf wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS

This missclick happens so often to me.


in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though.

Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs.


He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs

Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean.


Careful you are getting dangerously close to saying Zerg is OP in ZvT

This is the same person who thinks having a separate hotkey for marines/marauders in order to stutter step without losing medivac healing is too hard.

He might be the most amazing player in the universe, but his bias is insane.

Contrary to popular belief, having your medivacs not hotkeyed together with your bio isn't the best thing since slice bread.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
September 27 2013 13:27 GMT
#1350
On September 27 2013 22:25 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!


The only question?! Wtf?

What's worse than posts that whine? I know! Posts that bring nothing to the table but whining about the whine. So common here. And now I am whining about a whiner who is whining. Can you see where this goes?


God sake you are such a whiner
Zerg for Life
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 13:35:58
September 27 2013 13:27 GMT
#1351
The problem as for any so called strategy game is that if for any reason a player is doing the same strategy all the time, you start to figure how to deal with it with some time. Since Terran has only ONE option that is going 4M with only 2 viable openings when you are zerg you will be always prepared for that and your mechanics and decision making will be perfectly in place to deal with this. If terrans could put at least one other viable strategy vs zerg , we could see some clear good decision making and adaptation from both sides like any strategy game should work.

But honnestly i don't see how terran can get rid of 4M with the dominance of mutas in this matchup. Mines are one soft counter for mutas and besides thor that can be magicboxed really easily there are no answer in the terran arsenal to mass mutas as protoss have with phenix. Not to mention that thor is the slowest unit in the game and mutas are the fastest
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#1352
Nooooooooooooooo
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
September 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#1353
On September 27 2013 22:25 dreamseller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!


The only question?! Wtf?

What's worse than posts that whine? I know! Posts that bring nothing to the table but whining about the whine. So common here. And now I am whining about a whiner who is whining. Can you see where this goes?



You're gonna have a brain fart really soon. Why so serious?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 13:30:13
September 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#1354
On September 27 2013 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.


Yep, that's the point! I mean, you can either love a guy for his personality, or for his playstyle, or for his pure skill. Maybe I forgot another criteria, so remind me of it if it comes to your mind.

so, where in korea do you find a player with personality apart from MC and two or three more? And with personality, I do not mean failing a champagne pull at dreamhack, or saying "cheer for me" in bad english. I am sure those korean players do have a personality of course, but since they're not showing it, I can't choose any of them.

So, let's now go for playstyle - I loved Life's ling micro (beginning of HotS, MLG Life vs Flash...aaaawww, I loved that series), and I enjoy his aggressive style. That's why I am a Life fan. But I do not get to see much of him lately.. or let's say, nothing motivating. For Protoss, I went for LiquidHerO, because HerOvZ is just fun. Storm drops all the way, I remember matches on Entombed Valley vs, I think, Curious? Not sure. But hey, he's at least kind-of consistent in reaching WCS AM ro8's - no, wait.

So my last pick of favs was Innovation, I completely jumped on the hype train and was stunned by his TvZ performance.
Okay, it seems to be over now. So what to do, repick? Lolno.



everyone in korea is really really good, when you are at the top for a certain amount of time, your style will be figured out and you'll start to lose more(the players who make comebacks to the top are the most consistent ones). Everyone is just super competitive.
Moderatorlickypiddy
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
September 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#1355
On September 27 2013 22:23 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:19 myminerals wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:15 boxerfred wrote:
okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

There is no a single consistent player in SC2 these days.
There are many good players, but noone truly dominates.
I'd say Taeja, but he got really good only recently and who knows for how long.


Yep, that's the point! I mean, you can either love a guy for his personality, or for his playstyle, or for his pure skill. Maybe I forgot another criteria, so remind me of it if it comes to your mind.

so, where in korea do you find a player with personality apart from MC and two or three more? And with personality, I do not mean failing a champagne pull at dreamhack, or saying "cheer for me" in bad english. I am sure those korean players do have a personality of course, but since they're not showing it, I can't choose any of them.

So, let's now go for playstyle - I loved Life's ling micro (beginning of HotS, MLG Life vs Flash...aaaawww, I loved that series), and I enjoy his aggressive style. That's why I am a Life fan. But I do not get to see much of him lately.. or let's say, nothing motivating. For Protoss, I went for LiquidHerO, because HerOvZ is just fun. Storm drops all the way, I remember matches on Entombed Valley vs, I think, Curious? Not sure. But hey, he's at least kind-of consistent in reaching WCS AM ro8's - no, wait.

So my last pick of favs was Innovation, I completely jumped on the hype train and was stunned by his TvZ performance.
Okay, it seems to be over now. So what to do, repick? Lolno.


Hey you guys. I'm only a fan if you're doing amazingly well right at this second. If you're not I don't care anymore. Since my "favorites" are not good right now, i'll stop watching Sc2 at all.



Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 13:29:07
September 27 2013 13:28 GMT
#1356
On September 27 2013 22:26 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:23 Fusilero wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!

Someone figure out something OP vs protoss so they can get in on the action.


I'm no expert but it will probably not be tanks (I wish it was tanks)

Be the revolution you wish to be son.
Goody and strelok will watch over you.
Glorious SEA doto
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
September 27 2013 13:29 GMT
#1357
On September 27 2013 22:27 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 22:25 dreamseller wrote:
On September 27 2013 22:22 Douillos wrote:
The only question that is worth asking...

Who whines more, Zerg or Terran?

Seems like Terran's are getting better and better at it!


The only question?! Wtf?

What's worse than posts that whine? I know! Posts that bring nothing to the table but whining about the whine. So common here. And now I am whining about a whiner who is whining. Can you see where this goes?


God sake you are such a whiner


I deserved that
PGtour admin
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
September 27 2013 13:30 GMT
#1358
I'm really enjoying that zergs finally buckled down and found solutions to the problems they were facing in ZvT. Which is why I'm glad Blizzard never did any major patching -- and I hope they continue to wait before deciding on anything major. Sc2 just needs time for players to figure out how to play against whatever the current "imbalanced" strategy is.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
September 27 2013 13:30 GMT
#1359
I can understand the disappointment but still... Innovation has been doing the same fuckin' thing for weeks. He is the main reason I almost no longer watch sc2. Fast 3 base into 4M rally point EVERY... FUCKIN.. TIME!

So people are beating the most PREDICTABLE player ever? Well it's about fuckin' time.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 27 2013 13:31 GMT
#1360
On September 27 2013 22:27 klup wrote:

But honnestly i don't see how terran can get rid of 4M with the dominance of mutas in this matchup. Mines are one soft counter for mutas and besides thor that can be magicboxed really easily there are no answer in the terran arsenal to mass mutas as protoss have with phenix.

yeh i think that's as big a reason as any why the zerg win percentage has gone way up, really heavy mutalisk styles are coming in, upwords of 30. It's so hard to hold expansions in the late game vs so many mutas. I know people have always been going mutas in hots, but maybe not quite so many as they are getting these days.

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