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robson1

3632 Posts

September 27 2013 13:14 GMT

#1281

On September 27 2013 22:13 TheDwf wrote:

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We're all sure you've had access to Bogus' training schedule to make such a claim.

Well you don't seem to need support for your claim that Innovation struggles in TvZ and that it's generally favored for Z.

Ketch

Netherlands7285 Posts

September 27 2013 13:14 GMT

#1282

Wuuuuut Group D sick group

goody153

44237 Posts

September 27 2013 13:14 GMT

#1283

noooooooooooooooooooo ! innovation lost

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oh well go flash in group D ! .. you can still make it to blizzcon

gophario

United States169 Posts

September 27 2013 13:14 GMT

#1284

On September 27 2013 22:13 TheDwf wrote:

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We're all sure you've had access to Bogus' training schedule to make such a claim.

Since when has evidence ever been required for idiots to make stupid unfounded assessments?

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1285

On September 27 2013 22:14 Fusilero wrote:

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And ofc that foreigner team practice took its toll on jjakji.

foreigner team practice arguably >>> NSH practice

Elite_

United States4259 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1286

The one time I want INnoVation to advance from the Ro16 he doesn't advance. Standard.

RiZu

Singapore5715 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1287

I hope Flash doesn't draw soO in the Ro8. soO vs Flash will be the best final this season.

NovaMB

Germany9534 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1288

Why is the best group of the ro16 at such an awful hour

NovemberstOrm

Canada16217 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1289

Congrats to soO & jjakji!

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1290

okay, I'll stop rooting for individual players. there's no consistency at all (that means, that a pro is at least a year top notch, god dammit!), except for symbol. no wait..

i'll just quit watching sc2. not having fun anymore, and since fun and entertainment is the only real reason for me to watch the game instead of playing it, that should be enough as a justification.

TheDwf

France19747 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1291

On September 27 2013 22:13 robson1 wrote:

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He's 23-7 in his last 30 TvZs

Watch the last few standard macro games against Snute at SC2L, Petraeus/Pig/Curious at Asia Final Qualifiers, DRG/soO in Code S and you'll see by yourself what I mean.

jonich0n

United States1982 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1292

Flash please please please make it out of your group.

KelsierSC

United Kingdom10443 Posts

September 27 2013 13:15 GMT

#1293

On September 27 2013 22:14 ne0lith wrote:

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On September 27 2013 22:07 KelsierSC wrote:

On September 27 2013 22:00 Squat wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:45 KelsierSC wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:39 robson1 wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:31 KelsierSC wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:27 robson1 wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:26 KelsierSC wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:21 ZenithM wrote:

On September 27 2013 21:20 Waise wrote:
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the way people mope and pout when anyone criticizes the sacred cow casters is ridiculous

And so far the discussion has been fairly reasonable. We're not "shitting" on anyone.

ill informed criticism is not reasonable imo.

Point to the "ill informed criticism"

The only thing I'd say was unreasonable was the guy who just said: "fire the guy, right now"

Pretty much everyone saying he doesn't watch, doesn't play, doesn't know about strategies.

Unless you live in his house you don't know how much he plays.
He does watch SC2 as he is a god damn caster, unless he casts with his eyes closed.
He does know about strategies, he references them many times in the cast. however his role in the casting duo is for entertainment,play-by-play and to ask Artosis to talk about strategies in more depth.

People calling for him to be fired or replaced by wolf when they don't really understand anything is not reasonable

Well obviously you cannot know for sure how much he plays and watches, but you can look at the result, which is his casting, conclude that it declined and is subpar knowledge wise and look for a reason. Since he's a talented smart guy, it the reason seems to be, that he does not invest the necessary time. that's just basic logic.
Well he does watch SC2. But if he only watches his casted games, he watches less SC than the average TL member, which is not enough to impress.
He does not know about any strategies that are somewhat new, he cannot contribute anything relevant from a strategical standpoint, in fact, he often tries to make jokes and tell stories(which is generally fine, and the corner stone of his appeal as a caster) when some big decisions are made, because he outright misses it.
I know that his role in the casting duo is to give play by play and entertainment, but he should also know basic stuff. Also he does not know enough about the players. Sometimes he just cannot say anything regarding some of the more unknown players. He called TvT innovations best matchup TODAY..... while Everybody and their grandmother are harping about post hellbat Innovation TvT for months now.

Well all of your argument is based on his casting having declined which I don't think it has but that is just an opinion so this is a rather pointless discussion.
I think you want tasteless to be a strategical mastermind that discusses in depth strategies, I just don't think that is his role, if you listen properly he prompts artosis to talk about strategy in depth.
I agree with you about the unknown player argument. You know I think it is hard for anyone to give in depth discussion of an unknown player...because they are an unknown player.

His knowledge of the game and current meta is quantifiably worse. It's not a vague statement, it's not just saying "he lost his passion". His casting has declined in quality, regardless of what his role is. Your commendably stalwart defense of him seems emotional and not quite objective.

Even if he is just a play by play guy, maintaining a high level of technical knowledge and staying up to date on trends and the meta should be prerequisites for casting the highest level of competitive starcraft there is. I don't hate Tasteless at all but I do expect a certain level of quality when watching content of this caliber.

How would you quantify it, is there a new metric like strategies discussed per minute? Again it just seems people say, his casting has declined in quality because he makes one slip up. I have enjoyed this cast j because of the discussion and the chemistry between Tastosis. At the beginning Tasteless saying innovation has good TvT really doesn't phase me.

I am emotional about it for sure because I think he is a great caster and I think the criticism is unfair , but I don't think I have said anything that isn't defend-able in an objective way.

The problem is that you are defending him against of the accusations of lacking game knowledge by saying that he's entertaining anyway. Good for you that you aren't bothered by him not knowing what he's talking about on numerous occasions, that doesn't apply to everyone.

Yeh you didn't read what I said, I was saying you can't gauge his game knowledge from the game because his role isn't to supply in depth game knowledge it is to be entertaining. Like I said i'm done discussing it. See you all the day after tomorrow to watch Tastosis again.