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15 total votes
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Poll: Recommend Set 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
50%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
31%
★★★- Good game (1)
6%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
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36%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
27%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
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30%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
26%
★★★- Good game (6)
22%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
15%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
7%
27 total votes
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8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
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67%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
17%
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43%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
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I like startale but AxA for me! Hope Inno does well and continues his unbeaten streak in GSTL shame MMA is in europe right now he couldve been a huge help. The only only player capable of stopping Inno on St is Bomber wirh his TvT but how Bombers been in GSTL... So go acer! And axiom put up a fight Startale
I feel that if as P you know you are giving up map control to T, you really should have 2 stalkers on the map ready to snipe the scv carrying the lemon. At least if you do wp harrass that may drag army away from escorting the scv.
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Wtf, I just realised AxA now has a grand total of zero zergs on their active rooster. That could really hurt them in team leagues, will make them way too predictable.
On September 26 2013 18:35 Squat wrote: Wtf, I just realised AxA now has a grand total of zero zergs on their active rooster. That could really hurt them in team leagues, will make them way too predictable.
October is nigh. And having Innovation removes the need for Zergs unitl then, especially in All-kill format
On September 26 2013 18:36 WigglingSquid wrote: By the way, can we confirm that harvesting lemons has a 100% victory rate in televised matches so far?
On September 26 2013 18:35 Squat wrote: Wtf, I just realised AxA now has a grand total of zero zergs on their active rooster. That could really hurt them in team leagues, will make them way too predictable.
On September 26 2013 18:35 Squat wrote: Wtf, I just realised AxA now has a grand total of zero zergs on their active rooster. That could really hurt them in team leagues, will make them way too predictable.
Isn't hurting them so far.
Recruiting Innovation might have helped that somewhat.
I wonder what the IM, MVP and Prime players are even doing. Feels like we'll never see them again since a lot of them are playing like 2 official matches a month in WCS and they aren't in team league.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
16 total votes
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On September 26 2013 18:48 Dodgin wrote: I wonder what the IM, MVP and Prime players are even doing. Feels like we'll never see them again since a lot of them are playing like 2 official matches a month in WCS and they aren't in team league.
IM pls ;_;
It was such a strange decision for IM. Disappearing after being left without a title sponsor seems like a risky choice.
Everything Panic did was on a knife's edge there. The first Oracle only killing two SCV:s is really bad because it gives Terran the heads up to defend both mineral lines with marines and turrets. Doing so much damage as he did is so hard.
Attacking with the stalkers could have been absolute disaster. The time warp saved him, it was absolutely clutch. Otherwise the Terran army would have stimmed down and killed his entire ground army, and then you're left with two Oracles.
Doing the Storm change instead of Coloss is an ultimate mindgame, Phoenix and Colossus go great together so obviously Terran has to make lots and lots of Vikings.
Delayed upgrades is the hardest thing about this style, going into so much tech you're left with a long timing window. Even his colossi were only out at about 11-12 minutes.
On September 26 2013 18:48 Dodgin wrote: I wonder what the IM, MVP and Prime players are even doing. Feels like we'll never see them again since a lot of them are playing like 2 official matches a month in WCS and they aren't in team league.
IM pls ;_;
It was such a strange decision for IM. Disappearing after being left without a title sponsor seems like a risky choice.
I mean they must be joining kespa and proleague...right...right? Nothing else makes sense, they just won GSTL(and 50 million Won) and would have been the favorites to win again(although new AA would have put up a much better fight than old AA where they got 5-0'd before).
On September 26 2013 18:48 Dodgin wrote: I wonder what the IM, MVP and Prime players are even doing. Feels like we'll never see them again since a lot of them are playing like 2 official matches a month in WCS and they aren't in team league.
IM pls ;_;
It was such a strange decision for IM. Disappearing after being left without a title sponsor seems like a risky choice.
I mean they must be joining kespa and proleague...right...right? Nothing else makes sense, they just won GSTL(and 50 million Won) and would have been the favorites to win again(although new AA would have put up a much better fight than old AA where they got 5-0'd before).
They knew in advance that Life is about to go beast mode so they figured better to leave than be embarassed
On September 26 2013 18:48 Dodgin wrote: I wonder what the IM, MVP and Prime players are even doing. Feels like we'll never see them again since a lot of them are playing like 2 official matches a month in WCS and they aren't in team league.
IM pls ;_;
It was such a strange decision for IM. Disappearing after being left without a title sponsor seems like a risky choice.
I mean they must be joining kespa and proleague...right...right? Nothing else makes sense, they just won GSTL(and 50 million Won) and would have been the favorites to win again(although new AA would have put up a much better fight than old AA where they got 5-0'd before).
They were probably just really worried about losing LG and Kespa was going to help them with that. A sponsorship by one of the largest korean electronic companies doesn't compare to winning 50 million won i guess.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Set 3?
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On September 26 2013 19:19 Scarecrow wrote: GSTL always weirds me out with how often they just send the same race out again after losses. Is it a lack of depth or what?
Well, AxEr has no zerg on their current roster, and PvP is what it is. Perhaps Alicia and Crank are not feeling confident in mirror.
Panic is playing impressively. I thought the amount of harass while still keeping ontop of upgrades/macro/probe production was pretty impressive. The kind of thing you really only see from Rain these days.
On September 26 2013 19:29 SoFrOsTy wrote: Panic is playing impressively. I thought the amount of harass while still keeping ontop of upgrades/macro/probe production was pretty impressive. The kind of thing you really only see from Rain these days.
First is quite similar too when he's doing his thing
Anyone else think the mothership core vision range is kind of insane for a flying unit? It has more vision range than a siege tank attack range I think.
Why wouldn't inno turn around once he saw all those cannons and templar? Yeah you lose a bunch of mining time, but you're up a base and your opponent sunk like 1200 mins on cannons.
On September 26 2013 19:34 Dodgin wrote: Anyone else think the mothership core vision range is kind of insane for a flying unit? It has more vision range than a siege tank attack range I think.
It is insane. Period. 14 vision range is a lot regardless of anything in the game. But I guess it is necessary as MSC moves so slow it needs vision to anticipate threat and run away.
On September 26 2013 19:34 Dodgin wrote: Anyone else think the mothership core vision range is kind of insane for a flying unit? It has more vision range than a siege tank attack range I think.
It is insane. Period. 14 vision range is a lot regardless of anything in the game. But I guess it is necessary as MSC moves so slow it needs vision to anticipate threat and run away.
TBH I think It's a mistake by blizzard, the old mothership probably had 14 vision because it was a huge unit physicaly. They probably accidentally looked over vision range on the mothership core when designing the unit, just copying it from the Mothership instead.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
15%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
7%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Set 4?
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On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
He doesn't like the schedule training in LG-Im house too.
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:41 Kasaraki wrote: I think we can pretty much declare the SCV pull dead. Time for terrans to learn to play like TaeJa.
-.- that was perfect storms, tons of canons and no third nexus. All it did was show how hard the strat is to stop
Making photon cannons and hitting "perfect storms" (lol, "perfect" isn't impressive when the Terran is engaging INTO you up a choke), all after your observer spotted the scv train coming from the very start is barely "hard".
The lack of third Nexus had been decided upon much earlier, when probe production halted.
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
He doesn't like the schedule training in LG-Im house too.
you should ask him why he left startale, squirtle's best buddy.
On September 26 2013 19:41 Kasaraki wrote: I think we can pretty much declare the SCV pull dead. Time for terrans to learn to play like TaeJa.
Or Polt. Still can't believe his games vs Sage.
Even MMA is starting to have success with a particular style of TvP (threaten the protoss third into yolo doom drop to the main). Enough with the scv pulls already.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
He doesn't like the schedule training in LG-Im house too.
you should ask him why he left startale, squirtle's best buddy.
Rofl, I just know that he left StarTale not only because of the training schedule.
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
He doesn't like the schedule training in LG-Im house too.
you should ask him why he left startale, squirtle's best buddy.
Rofl, I just know that he left StarTale not only because of the training schedule.
On September 26 2013 19:41 Kasaraki wrote: I think we can pretty much declare the SCV pull dead. Time for terrans to learn to play like TaeJa.
Or Polt. Still can't believe his games vs Sage.
Even MMA is starting to have success with a particular style of TvP (threaten the protoss third into yolo doom drop to the main). Enough with the scv pulls already.
Until that gets figured out and you have a few blinkstalkers and HT ready, making all medivacs go boom. Doomdrops hold a risk as well as scv pulls, but INnoVation should not have pulled here, yes.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
On September 26 2013 19:43 Zealously wrote: Innowho?
Why are you bashing on Inno every time he loses. I literally see you in every thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
you sound angry, calm down have some fun dude.
I'm not angry, it's a serious question. I get it that Zealously predicted the time Inno lost to Naniwa, but I'm starting to think he has some unhealthy personal vendetta against him and it's really creepy.
Also, have all the fun you want, but I won't join you in having fun with player bashing, thank you.
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:43 Zealously wrote: Innowho?
Why are you bashing on Inno every time he loses. I literally see you in every thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
you sound angry, calm down have some fun dude.
I'm not angry, it's a serious question. I get it that Zealously predicted the time Inno lost to Naniwa, but I'm starting to think he has some unhealthy personal vendetta against him and it's really creepy.
Also, have all the fun you want, but I won't join you in having fun with player bashing, thank you.
i think he is that simple minded that he laughs about that every time. or he just wants his post counter to rise.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
Yeah he and Parting didn't carry ST in team leagues :D
On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
On September 26 2013 19:43 Zealously wrote: Innowho?
Why are you bashing on Inno every time he loses. I literally see you in every thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
you sound angry, calm down have some fun dude.
I'm not angry, it's a serious question. I get it that Zealously predicted the time Inno lost to Naniwa, but I'm starting to think he has some unhealthy personal vendetta against him and it's really creepy.
Also, have all the fun you want, but I won't join you in having fun with player bashing, thank you.
If you don't have a personal vendetta against some players you're not passionate enough! where's your passion!? There must be a player who knocked out your favorite at a key moment or perhaps repeatedly. You should hate them!
On September 26 2013 19:43 Zealously wrote: Innowho?
Why are you bashing on Inno every time he loses. I literally see you in every thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
you sound angry, calm down have some fun dude.
I'm not angry, it's a serious question. I get it that Zealously predicted the time Inno lost to Naniwa, but I'm starting to think he has some unhealthy personal vendetta against him and it's really creepy.
Also, have all the fun you want, but I won't join you in having fun with player bashing, thank you.
i think he is that simple minded that he laughs about that every time. or he just wants his post counter to rise.
Do you guys have inline images turned off in your browsers or are you just adrenaline junkies foruming on the edge?
On September 26 2013 19:43 Zealously wrote: Innowho?
Why are you bashing on Inno every time he loses. I literally see you in every thread. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
you sound angry, calm down have some fun dude.
I'm not angry, it's a serious question. I get it that Zealously predicted the time Inno lost to Naniwa, but I'm starting to think he has some unhealthy personal vendetta against him and it's really creepy.
Also, have all the fun you want, but I won't join you in having fun with player bashing, thank you.
you know he could be making it has a fun remark right? not something serious?
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
This reminded me of that game on Abyssal City vs. Leenock in game 9 vs. FXO in the semifinals last year... I think I remember it being a throw too.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
This reminded me of that game on Abyssal City vs. Leenock in game 9 vs. FXO in the semifinals last year... I think I remember it being a throw too.
The one where Leenock had overlord drops and was dropping roaches everywhere and ended up winning? I sort of remember that game and I don't think it was a throw, just brilliant by leenock.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
This reminded me of that game on Abyssal City vs. Leenock in game 9 vs. FXO in the semifinals last year... I think I remember it being a throw too.
The one where Leenock had overlord drops and was dropping roaches everywhere and ended up winning? I sort of remember that game and I don't think it was a throw, just brilliant by leenock.
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0%
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On September 26 2013 19:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: Khaldor: "I think Innovation should retreat, with those cannons and storm..." 20 seconds later, "Oh MY GOD does he holds? I cant believe it!"
Not my kind of caster.
You realize you are confusing me and wolf, right?
Wait, which one is the bald guy?
That's Khaldor
We need some sort of corollary of Poe's Law for when you can't tell if a German is genuinely oblivious to sarcasm, or is being meta-sarcastic.
On September 26 2013 19:41 Kasaraki wrote: I think we can pretty much declare the SCV pull dead. Time for terrans to learn to play like TaeJa.
-.- that was perfect storms, tons of canons and no third nexus. All it did was show how hard the strat is to stop
Well, it wasn't like it was a close hold. He probably holds with like 1-2 cannons judging from the storms he landed.
The thing is this strat is still hard to stop because, if Innovation went for it before storm and before taking his third, it would have been a completely different story.
Also the SCV pull he did was stopped because Panic really committed to his defense. If Innovation had suddenly cancelled it when he realized storm was finished and saw the canons in Panic's nat, he would have been so far ahead he would have crushed Panic when attempting to take his third.
The SCV pull is such a threat that not doing it / cancelling it can also put you in a very good position. This is where Innovation made a huge mistake by still trying to go for it. I guess it was some overconfidence due to his insane record in TvP.
On September 26 2013 19:42 NovemberstOrm wrote: Startale is such a great team to foster players in. They must have a great environment at the team house.
So great that Squirtle left for another eSF team? ;O
Well he's hardly been at the level he was at when he reached the GSL finals since ^.-
Squirtle won GSTL for IM, something he never did on Startale!
This reminded me of that game on Abyssal City vs. Leenock in game 9 vs. FXO in the semifinals last year... I think I remember it being a throw too.
The one where Leenock had overlord drops and was dropping roaches everywhere and ended up winning? I sort of remember that game and I don't think it was a throw, just brilliant by leenock.
I thought it was a sick hold from Squirtle into Squirtle not doing any form of counterattack when he was miles ahead and dying. I could be wrong though. The game was like a year ago.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
I didn't even realise it was so huge. 14 is massive. O-o They should probably look into that.
It actually has some serious balance implications too, you can use it to get vision for blink all ins and you never have to put it in danger because it can see from so far away. You can't do things like put a missile turret at the edge of your base like you could for an obs.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
should probably be like 8-10 imo, i had no idea the vision range was so huge lol never really thought about it before.
I can't imagine it is actually an oversight. I believe it is because they want to encourage early scouting/harass with mothership core, but that becomes so much more risky if you don't have a large vision range. Right now a mothership core can stay almost at the edge of a T's base, and scout. If you changed that range to 8-10 you would risk being taken out by marines incredibly easily. Right now you can still be taken out if you overextend or there are a lot of marines, but if you are cautious you can usually escape.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
should probably be like 8-10 imo, i had no idea the vision range was so huge lol never really thought about it before.
that thing had range 14 from the beginning and you just noticed it ? Works as planned though as they needed it to be able to peak inside of bases and outside for the scouting and not dieing, since it needs the energy. I always would have preferred a range of 6, since then it would need spotters and the High Ground advantage wouldn't be lost by default against Toss. But it is damn useful scouting ahead of your army. So doubt they will let go of it. In Blizzards current trend they probably would make it move faster only lol.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
should probably be like 8-10 imo, i had no idea the vision range was so huge lol never really thought about it before.
I can't imagine it is actually an oversight. I believe it is because they want to encourage early scouting/harass with mothership core, but that becomes so much more risky if you don't have a large vision range. Right now a mothership core can stay almost at the edge of a T's base, and scout. If you changed that range to 8-10 you would risk being taken out by marines incredibly easily. Right now you can still be taken out if you overextend or there are a lot of marines, but if you are cautious you can usually escape.
Yeah but who knows with Blizzard. They've taken ages to fix obvious stuff before. The original intention for the MSC was to bolster Protoss defence; who knows whether they considered the implication to blink all-ins.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
should probably be like 8-10 imo, i had no idea the vision range was so huge lol never really thought about it before.
that thing had range 14 from the beginning and you just noticed it ? Works as planned though as they needed it to be able to peak inside of bases and outside for the scouting and not dieing, since it needs the energy. I always would have preferred a range of 6, since then it would need spotters and the High Ground advantage wouldn't be lost by default against Toss. But it is damn useful scouting ahead of your army. So doubt they will let go of it. In Blizzards current trend they probably would make it move faster only lol.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
I didn't even realise it was so huge. 14 is massive. O-o They should probably look into that.
The MSC is just yucky in general. They should look into that.
The msc is awesome, it singlehandedly saved PvP as a mu and stops us from dying to speedvacs.
Its spells are awesome. Having a single, weak, slow-moving hero unit to be babysat around is yucky.
I wouldn't mind if they went back to the original concept of it being a nexus addon that can teleport between them, if only to save me the frustration of watching pros feed their MSCs and never rebuild them.
On September 26 2013 19:55 NovaMB wrote: MSC really got a vision radius as big as siege tank range.
Edit: Liquipedia says vision range 14, thats 1 more than siege tank range
Yeah, pretty sure It's unintentional. No air unit should have that much vision, compare it to an observer, It's ridiculous.
I guess its a oversight, albeit a pretty big one. Mothership vision is 14 aswell (which is understandable though),
That supports my theory that they accidentally left the old vision in and it was so big before because the Mothership is a gigantic unit.
should probably be like 8-10 imo, i had no idea the vision range was so huge lol never really thought about it before.
I can't imagine it is actually an oversight. I believe it is because they want to encourage early scouting/harass with mothership core, but that becomes so much more risky if you don't have a large vision range. Right now a mothership core can stay almost at the edge of a T's base, and scout. If you changed that range to 8-10 you would risk being taken out by marines incredibly easily. Right now you can still be taken out if you overextend or there are a lot of marines, but if you are cautious you can usually escape.
Yeah but who knows with Blizzard. They've taken ages to fix obvious stuff before. The original intention for the MSC was to bolster Protoss defence; who knows whether they considered the implication to blink all-ins.
I have absolutely no problem with MSC, except for Time Warp. It's an offensive anti-micro ability on top of one P already had, FF, and is disproportionately strong against compositions which have their DPS spread out among lots of units.
I don't think it's gamebreaking, but it's just really annoying to play against. And visually, they look like giant green tits half the time.
On September 26 2013 20:16 theBALLS wrote: whatever gave alicia the idea that a player like bomber would fall to DTs?
Yeah, good from Bomber to prepare for DTs, but it hardly required star sense to read what was going on, or brilliant play to prepare the engi bay for safety.
On September 26 2013 20:14 graNite wrote: and then they would finally only use it defensively, just like it is supposed to be
It's only supposed to be used defensively? That's why there is a spell called Recall?
Recall is a defensive spell. It allows you to have your army out on the map and not die to counters, just like nexus cannon. It used to be an ability cast from the nexus-bound MSC in beta.
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On September 26 2013 20:14 graNite wrote: and then they would finally only use it defensively, just like it is supposed to be
It's only supposed to be used defensively? That's why there is a spell called Recall?
Recall is a defensive spell. It allows you to have your army out on the map and not die to counters, just like nexus cannon. It used to be an ability cast from the nexus-bound MSC in beta.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
just facing better players now, and he still owns most of them. Actually he was on a decline before joining and actually came back quiet well after it. Which I didn't expect at all lol.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
It was kind of expected. There simply isn't a way to simulate KeSPA practice environment without being on a KeSPA team.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
you are wrong that's his first loss in the gstl, he all killed some team in the acer teamstory cup, and he went through the iem qualifier against the sickest koreans, only barely losing to curious in the sickest game in a long time.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
It was kind of expected. There simply isn't a way to simulate KeSPA practice environment without being on a KeSPA team.
Although Innovation said hes happy not to be in a kespa environment anymore, because he doesnt have to do all the fun outdoor stuff Kespa teams do.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
You are wrong. His record since joining Acer is still great.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
Completly wrong. He played great in gstl atc iem dh and wcs so far.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
Nope, was starting that well before joining Acer. His gstl record is good.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
innovation is doing great still .. he is a top placer so far in all the events he joined
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
Not really, he dropped a lot of maps in Proleague too.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
Not really, he dropped a lot of maps in Proleague too.
Don't remind me of that hilarious game against Flying.
On September 26 2013 20:31 JonIrenicus wrote: Am I wrong or Innovation basically is losing quite a bit after joining Acer? it seems to be that the quality of his play is subtly lowering...
Not really, he dropped a lot of maps in Proleague too.
Don't remind me of that hilarious game against Flying.
can someone tell me if there is anywhere else to watch these vods? i cant sign up for gomtv, it is like the most horrible site of all time, every time i try to sign up for it, there site wont take my sign up, they say the email is already used, or that my capture code was wrong, but it wont give me one to put it
On September 28 2013 12:13 InfamousOne wrote: can someone tell me if there is anywhere else to watch these vods? i cant sign up for gomtv, it is like the most horrible site of all time, every time i try to sign up for it, there site wont take my sign up, they say the email is already used, or that my capture code was wrong, but it wont give me one to put it
its HORRIBLE
Lol gomtv.net is not a bad site, but don't worry if you have issues because all the VODs are on twitch!
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/c/2997627 Match 1 Map 1!
gstl vods on twitch should be here http://www.twitch.tv/gomtv_en edit: I don't see any vods i'm not sure if that's because i'm not subbed or there's no vods(their should be though)
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