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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 10 2013 17:13 GMT
#161
That was game 1, lets go to game 2
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
September 10 2013 17:14 GMT
#162
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote:
im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.

the correct response would be:

1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere.
2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out
--> simply ignore the cannons.
3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.

if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.

...
pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base.
And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3310 Posts
September 10 2013 17:14 GMT
#163
Lose half your workers:
"That's bad" - Kaelaris.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
September 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#164
On September 11 2013 02:13 Ludwigvan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:11 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:09 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:08 Ludwigvan wrote:
Bel'shir Vestige. Starbuck top left, Lucifron bottom right.

Luci Rax gas, Starbuck Hatch dronescout.
2:55 Luci builds reaper

Star builds 6 zerglings, Luci builds CC and Fac. 2 Reaper harrass at natural.

6:20 Star expo top right.
6:45 Roach warrent.
6:45 Stim starts.
7:00 Hellions in natural, reapers in main. 19 drones killed in total from star.

9:00 1+melee armor for star start. +1+1 shileds for luci start. luci takes thirs orbital.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7979 Posts
September 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#165
nice and simple move by lucifron, starbuck got bopped
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44157 Posts
September 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#166
On September 11 2013 02:11 Fusilero wrote:
Starbuck lives on the edge.


I take it you see the glass as half full?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
September 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#167
On September 11 2013 02:15 Ludwigvan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:13 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:11 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:09 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:08 Ludwigvan wrote:
Bel'shir Vestige. Starbuck top left, Lucifron bottom right.

Luci Rax gas, Starbuck Hatch dronescout.
2:55 Luci builds reaper

Star builds 6 zerglings, Luci builds CC and Fac. 2 Reaper harrass at natural.

6:20 Star expo top right.
6:45 Roach warrent.
6:45 Stim starts.
7:00 Hellions in natural, reapers in main. 19 drones killed in total from star.

9:00 1+melee armor for star start. +1+1 shileds for luci start. luci takes thirs orbital.

11:00 baneling nest finishes banespeed starts, spire starts, hellions harras third.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8483 Posts
September 10 2013 17:15 GMT
#168
On September 11 2013 02:11 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:09 KalWarkov wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:06 Lorning wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:02 Musicus wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:00 Crownlol wrote:
On September 11 2013 01:59 Lorning wrote:
Poll: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (20)
 
35%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (19)
 
33%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
 
11%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
7%

57 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season



Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)


One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...

It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.


this cannonrush is completly standard. if youre not absolutly retarded, you place the cannons correctly. this build appears in 20% of all pvps, and its executed in the EXACT same way, despite it taking 1 more cannon on most maps to reach the nexus.

it wasnt close to being a super good game, it was 1 player messing up greatly and not knowing how to react to a normally executed build (to be fair, there is nothing to do better doing this as well)

Standard? MMMM is standard, ling bling muta is standard. This? This was a masterpiece by Genius. He broke Grubby mentally. I wouldn't be surprised if Grubby fell out 0 - 2. This cannon rush was measured out by Genius, just like Flash measures out his keyboard and monitor before each game.

A masterpiece on Yeonsu!


Woot? It was a good strategy given the map and how unexpected it is basically, but you are making it like the second coming of Jesus or something...
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 10 2013 17:16 GMT
#169
On September 11 2013 02:14 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote:
im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.

the correct response would be:

1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere.
2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out
--> simply ignore the cannons.
3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.

if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.

...
pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base.
And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.


ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo

you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).

believe me, its the correct response ~~
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 10 2013 17:16 GMT
#170
On September 11 2013 02:14 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote:
im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.

the correct response would be:

1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere.
2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out
--> simply ignore the cannons.
3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.

if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.

...
pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base.
And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.


Lol, yeah. If Genius has anything watching the ramp this immediately doesn't work. If Grubby doesn't get revealed Genius knows it too. Like, that just 100% is not the correct answer.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
September 10 2013 17:16 GMT
#171
starbuck knows this game is gone, but its good to warm up with
*burp*
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
September 10 2013 17:16 GMT
#172
On September 11 2013 02:14 pmp10 wrote:
Lose half your workers:
"That's bad" - Kaelaris.


Kaelaris Madden.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44157 Posts
September 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#173
Leaves that roach warren alive lol...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
September 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#174
On September 11 2013 02:15 Ludwigvan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:15 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:13 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:11 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:09 Ludwigvan wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:08 Ludwigvan wrote:
Bel'shir Vestige. Starbuck top left, Lucifron bottom right.

Luci Rax gas, Starbuck Hatch dronescout.
2:55 Luci builds reaper

Star builds 6 zerglings, Luci builds CC and Fac. 2 Reaper harrass at natural.

6:20 Star expo top right.
6:45 Roach warrent.
6:45 Stim starts.
7:00 Hellions in natural, reapers in main. 19 drones killed in total from star.

9:00 1+melee armor for star start. +1+1 shileds for luci start. luci takes thirs orbital.

11:00 baneling nest finishes banespeed starts, spire starts, hellions harras third.

12 MM 2medivacs kill of both evos in front of natural. counter lings kills couple of scvs.
13:30 mmm kill off drones and army. mutas hatch.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#175
What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
Neosteel Enthusiast
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#176
On September 11 2013 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Leaves that roach warren alive lol...


Well it doesnt matter, does it?
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 17:18:48
September 10 2013 17:17 GMT
#177
On September 11 2013 02:10 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:06 Lorning wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:02 Musicus wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:00 Crownlol wrote:
On September 11 2013 01:59 Lorning wrote:
Poll: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (20)
 
35%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (19)
 
33%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
 
11%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
7%

57 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season



Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)


One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...

It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.


Haha, my sarcasm detector did not go off immediately, but I lost it at physical preparation .

Edit: Diabolus needs to check his too ^^


haha sry, wasnt quite sure about this one :D
but there seem to be a lot of ppl who think this way^^

@DarkOlli: stop trolling please.

DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 10 2013 17:18 GMT
#178
One sided
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 10 2013 17:18 GMT
#179
On September 11 2013 02:16 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:14 Dingodile wrote:
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote:
im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.

the correct response would be:

1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere.
2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out
--> simply ignore the cannons.
3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.

if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.

...
pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base.
And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.


ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo

you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).

believe me, its the correct response ~~


No it's not, Grubby lost the gateway first before he had any units out. Genius would put up a pylon to cannon the hidden nexus before the main one even dies. Even if, Genius' gateway and cybercore would still be faster. He'll have a ton more money. If Genius just 4gates and ignores photon overcharge he kills every probe.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
September 10 2013 17:18 GMT
#180
On September 11 2013 02:17 BlackCompany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Leaves that roach warren alive lol...


Well it doesnt matter, does it?

Then go straight for the mineral line. : D
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