★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 2?
★★★- Good game (7)
58%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (20)
35%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (19)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (4)
36%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
56%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
63%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
7%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (14)
64%
★★★- Good game (4)
18%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
9%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
5%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (8)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
25%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
67%
★★★- Good game (3)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (30)
56%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (20)
37%
★★★- Good game (3)
6%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
54 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Meh, storm against so many immortal/archon isn't very good imo. You really need it against anything void ray heavy, but not against what Genius has here :-/
On September 11 2013 01:25 ACrow wrote: Meh, storm against so many immortal/archon isn't very good imo. You really need it against anything void ray heavy, but not against what Genius has here :-/
PvP you get +3 before anything else usually, so weakening zealots means their tanking is so much worse.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
4%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Grubby makes me like protoss, even PvP. He just has his own unique flavour imo, I can just feel his blink etc. and the decisions he makes seem so decisive.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 11 2013 02:01 pookums wrote: Pretty sure there was an area where Grubby's mothership core could have attacked the high ground pylon from the top right.
That takes so long that Genius throws up 3 extra pylons during that time
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
genius forge, builds pylon low ground north of grubby base. cannon low ground, then pylon high ground and 2, 3, 4 cannons. when grubby spots it, builds forge, but its to late around when cyber core finishes. 4 cannons of genius snipe the nexus, before cannons of grubby warp in. gg
On September 11 2013 02:00 boxerfred wrote: I'm not a Grubby fanboy, but Genius just got my absolute hate for playing such a cheesy game. I want that guy to lose #1 now.
Not Genius fault when Grubby is not good enough to survive such things. It just shows what Genius thinks of his opponent. WP Mr. Void ray :D.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
1 should be for badly executed strategies, and fails (like Sase vs Happy). I just came here but I assume the cannon rush was well done if it beat Grubby, so I don't see why that would be worth a 1.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
1 should be for badly executed strategies, and fails (like Sase vs Happy). I just came here but I assume the cannon rush was well done if it beat Grubby, so I don't see why that would be worth a 1.
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
there is another responses like buliding a robo in the corner and go all out on the cannons with an immortal, im not too familiar with this and i think its not as good.
Didnt grubby ladder lately at all? :O this happens so often, i also like to do it myself. i even had to deal with this twice on the exact same position on this map :/
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
1 should be for badly executed strategies, and fails (like Sase vs Happy). I just came here but I assume the cannon rush was well done if it beat Grubby, so I don't see why that would be worth a 1.
We're not all held to your standard. I think we'll see lots of 1's from a short, anticlimatic game to an otherwise great series knocking out a fan favorite.
On September 11 2013 02:01 pookums wrote: Pretty sure there was an area where Grubby's mothership core could have attacked the high ground pylon from the top right.
its quite hard to rebuild a pylon. not like genius would ever lose his probe with 4 cannons guarding it. lol. use brains plz :/
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
I think people are upset that Grubby lost.
I think people are just having a bit of fun and you shouldn't read much into those poll results
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
this cannonrush is completly standard. if youre not absolutly retarded, you place the cannons correctly. this build appears in 20% of all pvps, and its executed in the EXACT same way, despite it taking 1 more cannon on most maps to reach the nexus.
it wasnt close to being a super good game, it was 1 player messing up greatly and not knowing how to react to a normally executed build (to be fair, there is nothing to do better doing this as well)
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
there is another responses like buliding a robo in the corner and go all out on the cannons with an immortal, im not too familiar with this and i think its not as good.
Didnt grubby ladder lately at all? :O this happens so often, i also like to do it myself. i even had to deal with this twice on the exact same position on this map :/
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
1 should be for badly executed strategies, and fails (like Sase vs Happy). I just came here but I assume the cannon rush was well done if it beat Grubby, so I don't see why that would be worth a 1.
We're not all held to your standard. I think we'll see lots of 1's from a short, anticlimatic game to an otherwise great series knocking out a fan favorite.
I'm not saying it's a 5. Just explaining why people can vote "not-1" and not be trolls.
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
there is another responses like buliding a robo in the corner and go all out on the cannons with an immortal, im not too familiar with this and i think its not as good.
Didnt grubby ladder lately at all? :O this happens so often, i also like to do it myself. i even had to deal with this twice on the exact same position on this map :/
And watch your proxy nexus be cannon rushed as well.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
Haha, my sarcasm detector did not go off immediately, but I lost it at physical preparation .
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
this cannonrush is completly standard. if youre not absolutly retarded, you place the cannons correctly. this build appears in 20% of all pvps, and its executed in the EXACT same way, despite it taking 1 more cannon on most maps to reach the nexus.
it wasnt close to being a super good game, it was 1 player messing up greatly and not knowing how to react to a normally executed build (to be fair, there is nothing to do better doing this as well)
Standard? MMMM is standard, ling bling muta is standard. This? This was a masterpiece by Genius. He broke Grubby mentally. I wouldn't be surprised if Grubby fell out 0 - 2. This cannon rush was measured out by Genius, just like Flash measures out his keyboard and monitor before each game.
A masterpiece on Yeonsu!
edit: And if you don't believe, send Day9 an email to analyse this game as a Day9 daily
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
this cannonrush is completly standard. if youre not absolutly retarded, you place the cannons correctly. this build appears in 20% of all pvps, and its executed in the EXACT same way, despite it taking 1 more cannon on most maps to reach the nexus.
it wasnt close to being a super good game, it was 1 player messing up greatly and not knowing how to react to a normally executed build (to be fair, there is nothing to do better doing this as well)
Standard? MMMM is standard, ling bling muta is standard. This? This was a masterpiece by Genius. He broke Grubby mentally. I wouldn't be surprised if Grubby fell out 0 - 2. This cannon rush was measured out by Genius, just like Flash measures out his keyboard and monitor before each game.
A masterpiece on Yeonsu!
Woot? It was a good strategy given the map and how unexpected it is basically, but you are making it like the second coming of Jesus or something...
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo
you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
Lol, yeah. If Genius has anything watching the ramp this immediately doesn't work. If Grubby doesn't get revealed Genius knows it too. Like, that just 100% is not the correct answer.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
11%
★★★- Good game (4)
7%
57 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Grubby vs. Genius Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Love the trolls (anyone not voting a 1)
One of the best games this season, said 8 people on TL...
It was. Didn't you see those meticulously placed cannons, they were placed so the one on the low ground could hold off the probes far enough, but still close enough to the nexus to hit it. This build requires a lot of preparation, both physically and mentally. I'm surprised someone like Genius' caliber could pull it off. I only expected players like PartinG, Rain and maybe First to be able to do this.
Haha, my sarcasm detector did not go off immediately, but I lost it at physical preparation .
Edit: Diabolus needs to check his too ^^
haha sry, wasnt quite sure about this one :D but there seem to be a lot of ppl who think this way^^
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo
you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).
believe me, its the correct response ~~
No it's not, Grubby lost the gateway first before he had any units out. Genius would put up a pylon to cannon the hidden nexus before the main one even dies. Even if, Genius' gateway and cybercore would still be faster. He'll have a ton more money. If Genius just 4gates and ignores photon overcharge he kills every probe.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (4)
36%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
Lol, yeah. If Genius has anything watching the ramp this immediately doesn't work. If Grubby doesn't get revealed Genius knows it too. Like, that just 100% is not the correct answer.
probes kill cannons when you know they are coming, a GM player is teaching stuff and you just shit on it without reasoning...
12 MM 2medivacs kill of both evos in front of natural. counter lings kills couple of scvs. 13:30 mmm kill off drones and army. mutas hatch.
14: muta kill all scv at 3rd. 90 to 155 supply. 15: Luci kills third with marines couple of mines and mm, mutas slowly getting killed in terra main. gg Luci wins.
I love the mutalisk harras. "Well there is a lot of MMMM in my third/natural.. now if i can just harras enough with this 6 mutalisks , i can still win this!"
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo
you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).
believe me, its the correct response ~~
No it's not, Grubby lost the gateway first before he had any units out. Genius would put up a pylon to cannon the hidden nexus before the main one even dies. Even if, Genius' gateway and cybercore would still be faster. He'll have a ton more money. If Genius just 4gates and ignores photon overcharge he kills every probe.
Idk man, I think KalWarkov as a GM player knows what he's talking about. It seems plausible too to me. His Mothership Core would've owned Genius' base for a while.
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo
you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).
believe me, its the correct response ~~
No it's not, Grubby lost the gateway first before he had any units out. Genius would put up a pylon to cannon the hidden nexus before the main one even dies. Even if, Genius' gateway and cybercore would still be faster. He'll have a ton more money. If Genius just 4gates and ignores photon overcharge he kills every probe.
yes, because he waited before building the stalker cuz of building a useless forge. and wtf does ur 2nd sentence even mean? its not like genius knows where grubbys base is immediatly - and even so, you can still deny the 2nd cannonrush without any problems LOL you, sir, have no fucking clue what ur talking about. time to get out of this LR, im getting angry again TT
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
Lol, yeah. If Genius has anything watching the ramp this immediately doesn't work. If Grubby doesn't get revealed Genius knows it too. Like, that just 100% is not the correct answer.
probes kill cannons when you know they are coming, a GM player is teaching stuff and you just shit on it without reasoning...
The reasoning is that Genius only needs to watch the ramp to stop this from happening. Hell, Genius can pylon block every expansion Grubby tries to take if he spots it.
If Grubby gets a stalker out it's a different story but I guess with the gateway in range of the first cannon he figured he wouldn't get it out in time hence the forge
On September 11 2013 02:04 KalWarkov wrote: im SHOCKED by grubbys poor reaction.
the correct response would be:
1) immediatly send out a probe and build a nexus somewhere. 2) crono the mothership core, send it to the enemys base. His only way to defend his mineralline for a long time is by cannons - and there is always angles to abuse this - you will delay him by a little bit till his stalker is out --> simply ignore the cannons. 3) try to mine as much as possible from your mainbase and build up ur gate/core at ur new nexus --> probeslide.
if you do it correctly, you end up slightly ahead.
... pretty easy to detect if (grubby's) probe goes out of his base. And if genius noticed that grubby still stay 20sec after nexus kill then he can think that grubby has a hidden nexus somwhere.
ofc he knows grubby has a hidden nexus. what the hell does this change? Oo
you know that 3 probes kill a building cannon?^^ its not like he can cannonrush the new base, grubby will 100% detect this as its the only thread there is (remember: genius tech is delayed by a lot - very late gateway due to invest 600 minerals into cannonrush before gate).
believe me, its the correct response ~~
No it's not, Grubby lost the gateway first before he had any units out. Genius would put up a pylon to cannon the hidden nexus before the main one even dies. Even if, Genius' gateway and cybercore would still be faster. He'll have a ton more money. If Genius just 4gates and ignores photon overcharge he kills every probe.
yes, because he waited before building the stalker cuz of building a useless forge. and wtf does ur 2nd sentence even mean? its not like genius knows where grubbys base is immediatly - and even so, you can still deny the 2nd cannonrush without any problems LOL you, sir, have no fucking clue what ur talking about. time to get out of this LR, im getting angry again TT
Come back for the next Grubby game pls, always love your insights!
So, someone got their facts wrong. TL preview told me Starbuck needs to get ZvP to advance and now Kalaeris tells me that Starbuck should avoid ZvP to advance.. i dont know what to believe anymore!
On September 11 2013 02:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
MINDGAMES.
I admit I have done that successfully on ladder when I feel my composition was poorly suited for what my opponent was going. Attempt to take down a tech building you really would rather your opponent uses. Your opponent is then sure to spam that unit with their remaining larvae and resources thinking they are about to need those units. At the pro level I would think players are better at reading the game, but as a casual player nothing beats seeing a ton of eggs fill up with hydras when you know your opponent would never do something that silly normally.
On September 11 2013 02:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
MINDGAMES.
I admit I have done that successfully on ladder when I feel my composition was poorly suited for what my opponent was going. Attempt to take down a tech building you really would rather your opponent uses. Your opponent is then sure to spam that unit with their remaining larvae and resources thinking they are about to need those units. At the pro level I would think players are better at reading the game, but as a casual player nothing beats seeing a ton of eggs fill up with hydras when you know your opponent would never do something that silly normally.
This might actually be true, I think Lucifron would prefer roaches above more banelings. Epic.
On September 11 2013 02:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
MINDGAMES.
I admit I have done that successfully on ladder when I feel my composition was poorly suited for what my opponent was going. Attempt to take down a tech building you really would rather your opponent uses. Your opponent is then sure to spam that unit with their remaining larvae and resources thinking they are about to need those units. At the pro level I would think players are better at reading the game, but as a casual player nothing beats seeing a ton of eggs fill up with hydras when you know your opponent would never do something that silly normally.
That's like when Flash killed Bisu's cybernetics core in the final match of an SKT vs. KT series, and then Bisu reacted by flooding Flash with speedlots (and winning).
I'm at a place with a terrible connection right know so I can't manage to watch the games, and I haven't seen Genius play in forever T_T I hate my life.
On September 11 2013 02:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
MINDGAMES.
I admit I have done that successfully on ladder when I feel my composition was poorly suited for what my opponent was going. Attempt to take down a tech building you really would rather your opponent uses. Your opponent is then sure to spam that unit with their remaining larvae and resources thinking they are about to need those units. At the pro level I would think players are better at reading the game, but as a casual player nothing beats seeing a ton of eggs fill up with hydras when you know your opponent would never do something that silly normally.
That's like when Flash killed Bisu's cybernetics core in the final match of an SKT vs. KT series, and then Bisu reacted by flooding Flash with speedlots (and winning).
On September 11 2013 02:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What is this secret leave-roach-warren-at-1-hp strat
MINDGAMES.
I admit I have done that successfully on ladder when I feel my composition was poorly suited for what my opponent was going. Attempt to take down a tech building you really would rather your opponent uses. Your opponent is then sure to spam that unit with their remaining larvae and resources thinking they are about to need those units. At the pro level I would think players are better at reading the game, but as a casual player nothing beats seeing a ton of eggs fill up with hydras when you know your opponent would never do something that silly normally.
That's like when Flash killed Bisu's cybernetics core in the final match of an SKT vs. KT series, and then Bisu reacted by flooding Flash with speedlots (and winning).
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
56%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 11 2013 02:21 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Luci (t) top right, Star bottom left (z) - Game starts
1:35 Rax, gas 2:12 Zerg expo, drone scout. 2:44 Pool then gas, reaper starts
4:00 Reaper in main, 6 zerglings 4:40 zergling speed starts. 5:00 2 reaper in main, killing 4 drones also in natural.
6: factory reactor, building hellions, T takes expo 7:00 stim starts, zerg takes 3rd roach warrent and evo.
8:00 carapace start. about 6 hellions deny some creep. zerg has wall with 2 queens. 9: bane nest, +1 zerg. luci: +1+1 shields.
10: star has couple of roaches, lings and banes, builds spire luci takes third, gets armory and fac.
11:30 star tries counter attack, while armys in middle. luci has wall at nat. 13: Zerg: air+1, melee and carapace start. muta ready 13:30 Luci moves out with mmm. mutas in main 14:30 Luci has much bigger army, luci kills third.
On September 11 2013 02:21 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Luci (t) top right, Star bottom left (z) - Game starts
1:35 Rax, gas 2:12 Zerg expo, drone scout. 2:44 Pool then gas, reaper starts
4:00 Reaper in main, 6 zerglings 4:40 zergling speed starts. 5:00 2 reaper in main, killing 4 drones also in natural.
6: factory reactor, building hellions, T takes expo 7:00 stim starts, zerg takes 3rd roach warrent and evo.
8:00 carapace start. about 6 hellions deny some creep. zerg has wall with 2 queens. 9: bane nest, +1 zerg. luci: +1+1 shields.
10: star has couple of roaches, lings and banes, builds spire luci takes third, gets armory and fac.
11:30 star tries counter attack, while armys in middle. luci has wall at nat. 13: Zerg: air+1, melee and carapace start. muta ready 13:30 Luci moves out with mmm. mutas in main 14:30 Luci has much bigger army, luci kills third.
Guys, vote! You don't want the thing in my sig to happen do you?
On September 11 2013 02:31 Lorning wrote:
Poll: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 2?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
56%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend LucifroN vs. Starbuck Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 11 2013 02:32 stuchiu wrote: So how WTF was Genius' games, as WTF as his GSTL allkill?
Game 1 - Standard game, Grubby plays very reactonary and picks up advantadges all over the game that at the end pay off and he wins after losing his army thanks to mass warpgates. Game 2 - Grubby sets up himself very nicely killing Genius Nexus at the natural, but then overstays, Genius manage to trade efficiently retaining his immortal/colossi, and ends up leading the game and winning later on. Game 3 - GENIUS ACTIVATES BAWS MODE AND CANNON RUSH THE DUTCH.
On September 11 2013 02:32 stuchiu wrote: So how WTF was Genius' games, as WTF as his GSTL allkill?
Game 1: Grubby played a bit better than Genius, so Grubby won. Game 2: Grubby overextended on a nexus snipe and lost his whole army, so Genius won. Game 3: Genius cannoned rush Grubby and Grubby had no idea how to react, so Genius won.
It wasn't that mindblowing ::shrugs:: It seemed to me that Grubby's decision making dictated whether or not he won each game.
On September 11 2013 02:42 gingerfluffmuff wrote: I dont get the spot of the rax. It is scoutable from the main i guess.
Probably same principle as early makaraxes. It is so scoutable that no one would proxy there, but then they don't check so go proxy there. Also it is pretty much as close to the mineral line as you can get, and it will not be scouted by ordinary non-proxy scouting patterns.
On September 11 2013 02:42 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Luci (t) bottom left, top right Genius (P) 1:20 Luci proxy 8rax south of genius main, gets gas.
Genius no scout, 2gas 2:30 reaper starts, genius sends out scout. 3:20 reaper in main. probes chase, zealot not ready. 3:50 fac in natural of genius. 4:30 2 reapers in main, jump down.
On September 11 2013 02:41 Plexa wrote: Glad to see the new maps getting chosen more often (even if they are being cheesed on)
I hope the same thing happens in WCS AM from the beginning. I was so happy when they started using other maps instead of every bo3 being Bel'Shir, Akilon, and Newkirk Precinct in some order.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
17%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On September 11 2013 02:41 Plexa wrote: Glad to see the new maps getting chosen more often (even if they are being cheesed on)
I hope the same thing happens in WCS AM from the beginning. I was so happy when they started using other maps instead of every bo3 being Bel'Shir, Akilon, and Newkirk Precinct in some order.
On September 11 2013 02:42 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Luci (t) bottom left, top right Genius (P) 1:20 Luci proxy 8rax south of genius main, gets gas.
Genius no scout, 2gas 2:30 reaper starts, genius sends out scout. 3:20 reaper in main. probes chase, zealot not ready. 3:50 fac in natural of genius. 4:30 2 reapers in main, jump down.
5:00 2 stalkers 1 zealot, 3 reapers,1 widow mine reaper gets killed. 5:50 widow mine burrows in main away from units. genius 3 gates, robo starts. 5:30 mine kills stalker. pylon in terra base. zealot and stalker in t main. reapers die luci ggs, Genius wins.
On September 11 2013 02:42 gingerfluffmuff wrote: I dont get the spot of the rax. It is scoutable from the main i guess.
Probably same principle as early makaraxes. It is so scoutable that no one would proxy there, but then they don't check so go proxy there. Also it is pretty much as close to the mineral line as you can get, and it will not be scouted by ordinary non-proxy scouting patterns.
This is why i rally a worker to my borders on the ladder. But nonetheless wp by genius i guess.
On September 11 2013 02:46 ZAiNs wrote: No Mothership Core that game was pretty interesting.
Agreed. Maybe he felt that the gas would have been better used on the robo in case Lucifron went proxy mine too? Interesting decision there; I would have messed that up.
I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
On September 11 2013 02:50 stuchiu wrote: I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
On September 11 2013 02:50 stuchiu wrote: I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
Yet he still plays more league than the guys who went to LoL
On September 11 2013 02:50 stuchiu wrote: I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
What 3 Khan guys?
I remember brave/grape. Brave went to sospa in the end and grape joined najin shield (Top 8 of last OGN)
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
63%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
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On September 11 2013 02:50 stuchiu wrote: I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
What 3 Khan guys?
I remember brave/grape. Brave went to sospa in the end and grape joined najin shield (Top 8 of last OGN)
Grape actually became good according to Fionn. Also fucking Genius is so hilarious in victory or defeat.
These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
This games were hilarious in their best, admit it.
On September 11 2013 02:51 Ludwigvan wrote: Whirlwind LE - Luci (T) bottom right, Genius (P) bottom left
2:15 CC first. 2:30 Nexus first. 2:50 Luci sends scout wrong direction, genius no scout yet.
Luci 2 rax, genius 2 gas, 1gate. 4:30 bunker at natural finishes, Cyber core finishes, mothership, stalker start. 5:luci gets 2 gas. 5:30 luci scouts nexus, genius scouts bunker. 5:40 genius gets 5 more gates. 6:20 stim starts, fac ebay. 6:50 proxy pylon at top third of terr. 7:20 scan at nat, luci moves scvs to bunkers, starts 2 bunkers.
8:30 toss army couple of senries zealots and stalkers killing one bunker, goes into main. 9: toss goes down the ramp again. pylon in main kills the bunkers and units. gg, genius wins!
Every time i tune in to watch Lucifron ( and secretly hope that he does good) he somehow manages to play worse. Genius is probably wondering if this was his ro32 group or if hes still sleeping and dreaming..
And if Genius would have lost 3 games in a row to cheese/all-ins people here would be having a contest who could scream loudest that non-koreans are horrible.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Your post in a nutshell: 1) I play Terran 2) Protoss OP
On September 11 2013 02:50 stuchiu wrote: I also find it hilarious how Genius has out survived everyone. oGs, TSL, Zenex, Slayers, NSH, Reign, Eclypsia, Puzzle, Coca, Min, Bisu, those 3 Khan guys that went to LoL.
Of all the players I expected to retire, Genius was close to the top, but here he is still making games that make me laugh.
What 3 Khan guys?
I remember brave/grape. Brave went to sospa in the end and grape joined najin shield (Top 8 of last OGN)
Grape actually became good according to Fionn. Also fucking Genius is so hilarious in victory or defeat.
Grape is an above average Korean mid, got dumpstered by rapidstar in said RO8 but played very well in the drop down league. Imo the 2nd best player on shield.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Scout 3rd and 4th with a SCV and see pylons going up. Pull more SCVs and target sentries. Its just that terrans outside of korea are lacking.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Your post in a nutshell: 1) I play Terran 2) Protoss OP
Your post in a nutshell: 1) I play Protoss. 2) Must defend my race at all cost because it's not Op! insert smiley so it seems like a joke and mods warn you.
Lucifron should have easily won game one but that cheese was so poorly executed. Kept building reapers that did absolutely nothing and instead of lifting the factory into the main he just kept it outside for who knows why...if he lifts he has an easy time going through the top of the base into the mineral line.
On September 11 2013 02:56 NovemberstOrm wrote: What if I told you guys Genius was going to win WCS EU?
Then I would agree with you since San didnt qualify Although Showtime might be the hero EU deserves.
Did you watch WW in ATC earlier? =)
But yeah, Genius in Ro16 reminded me that San is stuck in challenger, it hurt.
The results made me pretty happy but I didn't get to watch it because I have class during ATC this semester. I just wish San could have played better in the up and down group. He definitely didn't play his best but that's what you need to do if you want to advance. Maybe next season :/
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Scout 3rd and 4th with a SCV and see pylons going up. Pull more SCVs and target sentries. Its just that terrans outside of korea are lacking.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Your post in a nutshell: 1) I play Terran 2) Protoss OP
What I talked about was more related to design, not balance. So yeah, nice oversimplification and insight to what I said. And no, I don't play sc2 anymore. Just spectate.
On September 11 2013 03:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: WCS EU could become the place for old school Korean protosses to move to and get the wins they never could in Korea
Genius for WCS EU champion!
And i just wanted old school Koreans to rest in Germany, winning WCS EUs T_T. Mvp, MMA, soon-to-be-joined by jjakji and what not.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Scout 3rd and 4th with a SCV and see pylons going up. Pull more SCVs and target sentries. Its just that terrans outside of korea are lacking.
Random scv scout timing yo.
I feel on this map you need a designated scout SCV. The distance from main to 3rd is just so small.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
This games were hilarious in their best, admit it.
Well, first game was quite interesting, because I have never seen such a hardcore cheesing against protoss in a while. Second game was just meh.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
Your post in a nutshell: 1) I play Terran 2) Protoss OP
What I talked about was more related to design, not balance. So yeah, nice oversimplification and insight to what I said. And no, I don't play sc2 anymore. Just spectate.
if you don't even play I dont know why you bother making comments like that. There are quite a few cheeses terran can do and I run into them everyday in ladder -_-
game 1 showed an easy cheese that a lot of people do, except with terrible execution. he didnt even lift factory into main.
On September 11 2013 02:56 Huragius wrote: These series is TvP in a nutshell: 1) You can't cheese protoss 2) Predict what protoss is going to do. Not like Genius played bad, he actually played decent. But TvP is not an interesting matchup anymore O_o
This games were hilarious in their best, admit it.
Well, first game was quite interesting, because I have never seen such a hardcore cheesing against protoss in a while. Second game was just meh.
in 2nd game i laughed my *** off at probe just walking past the full bunker like it was immune to attacks.
On September 11 2013 03:00 Canucklehead wrote: So if genius isn't on azubu anymore, how is he going to fly himself to the offline part?
base prize for Premier is $1500
also I doubt he blew all the money he got from 2nd place GSL, Blizzcon 2010, and that sweet first Azubu contract yet
Well I don't doubt genius has the money in savings. It's just most progamers do not want to fly to events on their own dime.
Assuming Genius still wants a foreigner team, then he may as well invest his own money to go to WCS EU and try to make contact and get a dialogue going.
On September 11 2013 03:07 Ludwigvan wrote: Derelict Watcher TE - Starbuck (Z) bottom left/blue, Grubby (P) top right/red
Toss: Pylon and gate in main, gas. 2nd pylon and cyber on main ramp wall Zerg: Hatch first then pool.
4:00 nexus starts, probe scout at zerg 3rd. OV scout sees nat. 4:30 Zer speed starts. 5:00 Evo starts 6:00 melee upgrade start. 6:30 stargate starts, forge and 2 gates at nat wall finishm, zerg 3rd starts.
7:30 phoenix,+1 and robo start, roach warrent starts. 8:40 carapce starts. 9:00 about 20 zterglings attack zealots, void ray at third., more zerglings get killed. 9:50 zerglings try to kill 3rd nexus. 10:20 zerglings in 2nd mineral line, run in main kill more probes, 19 in total.
On September 11 2013 03:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: WCS EU could become the place for old school Korean protosses to move to and get the wins they never could in Korea
Genius for WCS EU champion!
So WCS EU is like the senior tour of golf? I guess WCS AM is the amateur league for less established stars.
On September 11 2013 03:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: WCS EU could become the place for old school Korean protosses to move to and get the wins they never could in Korea
Genius for WCS EU champion!
So WCS EU is like the senior tour of golf? I guess WCS AM is the amateur league for less established stars.
Rather WCS EU is GSL for eu players and washed up players, while WCS AM Ro8 is Code S.
On September 11 2013 03:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: WCS EU could become the place for old school Korean protosses to move to and get the wins they never could in Korea
Genius for WCS EU champion!
So WCS EU is like the senior tour of golf? I guess WCS AM is the amateur league for less established stars.
WCS AM has the stronger Korean players (at least for now).
On September 11 2013 03:07 Ludwigvan wrote: Derelict Watcher TE - Starbuck (Z) bottom left/blue, Grubby (P) top right/red
Toss: Pylon and gate in main, gas. 2nd pylon and cyber on main ramp wall Zerg: Hatch first then pool.
4:00 nexus starts, probe scout at zerg 3rd. OV scout sees nat. 4:30 Zer speed starts. 5:00 Evo starts 6:00 melee upgrade start. 6:30 stargate starts, forge and 2 gates at nat wall finishm, zerg 3rd starts.
7:30 phoenix,+1 and robo start, roach warrent starts. 8:40 carapce starts. 9:00 about 20 zterglings attack zealots, void ray at third., more zerglings get killed. 9:50 zerglings try to kill 3rd nexus. 10:20 zerglings in 2nd mineral line, run in main kill more probes, 19 in total.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
7%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
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amazing play from starbuck. really impressed at how he handled that engagement, he kept on baiting FFs, adjusting the engagements from both sides etc. very nice
On September 11 2013 03:07 Ludwigvan wrote: Derelict Watcher TE - Starbuck (Z) bottom left/blue, Grubby (P) top right/red
Toss: Pylon and gate in main, gas. 2nd pylon and cyber on main ramp wall Zerg: Hatch first then pool.
4:00 nexus starts, probe scout at zerg 3rd. OV scout sees nat. 4:30 Zer speed starts. 5:00 Evo starts 6:00 melee upgrade start. 6:30 stargate starts, forge and 2 gates at nat wall finishm, zerg 3rd starts.
7:30 phoenix,+1 and robo start, roach warrent starts. 8:40 carapce starts. 9:00 about 20 zterglings attack zealots, void ray at third., more zerglings get killed. 9:50 zerglings try to kill 3rd nexus. 10:20 zerglings in 2nd mineral line, run in main kill more probes, 19 in total.
14:35 about 8 mutas in main, kill probes, but all die. 16:00 zerg has +2melee+1carapace.2 more expos on bottom. 17:00 zerg attacks woith roach hydra corruptor, kills 2 col. 17:50 all corruptors dead, one colossus left, zerg retreats. 18:30 toss moves out to right bottom, couple void rays, 1 col 19:00 zerg sorrunds toss, great forcefields with roach hydra. zerg kills a lot, void rays survive, couple of stalkers retreat. 20:00 toss still 3 base, army at third, zerg denies toss 4rth top. 21:00 star has the bigger army and runs up third ramp. Grubby ggs, star wins!
On September 11 2013 03:07 Ludwigvan wrote: Derelict Watcher TE - Starbuck (Z) bottom left/blue, Grubby (P) top right/red
Toss: Pylon and gate in main, gas. 2nd pylon and cyber on main ramp wall Zerg: Hatch first then pool.
4:00 nexus starts, probe scout at zerg 3rd. OV scout sees nat. 4:30 Zer speed starts. 5:00 Evo starts 6:00 melee upgrade start. 6:30 stargate starts, forge and 2 gates at nat wall finishm, zerg 3rd starts.
7:30 phoenix,+1 and robo start, roach warrent starts. 8:40 carapce starts. 9:00 about 20 zterglings attack zealots, void ray at third., more zerglings get killed. 9:50 zerglings try to kill 3rd nexus. 10:20 zerglings in 2nd mineral line, run in main kill more probes, 19 in total.
14:35 about 8 mutas in main, kill probes, but all die. 16:00 zerg has +2melee+1carapace.2 more expos on bottom. 17:00 zerg attacks woith roach hydra corruptor, kills 2 col. 17:50 all corruptors dead, one colossus left, zerg retreats. 18:30 toss moves out to right bottom, couple void rays, 1 col 19:00 zerg sorrunds toss, great forcefields with roach hydra. kills a lot, void rays survive. 20:00 toss still 3 base, army at third, zerg denies toss 4rth top. 21:00 star has the bigger army and runs up third ramp. Grubby ggs, star wins!
On September 11 2013 03:20 Shellshock wrote: so could the WCS EU Preview banner curse become a real thing? starting to look like it
duckdeok survived it :O
Was it used in the Ro32 last season or just the Ro16? I guess a few from the previous banner trickled through to the Ro16 last time but all were eliminated before the Ro8 right?
On September 11 2013 03:20 Shellshock wrote: so could the WCS EU Preview banner curse become a real thing? starting to look like it
duckdeok survived it :O
Was it used in the Ro32 last season or just the Ro16? I guess a few from the previous banner trickled through to the Ro16 last time but all were eliminated before the Ro8 right?
Yeah. No player from banner in S2 made it into Ro8.
On September 11 2013 03:20 Shellshock wrote: so could the WCS EU Preview banner curse become a real thing? starting to look like it
duckdeok survived it :O
Was it used in the Ro32 last season or just the Ro16? I guess a few from the previous banner trickled through to the Ro16 last time but all were eliminated before the Ro8 right?
I used it for the banner for his Ro32 group this season.
Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
After playing on this map and seeing a lot of ZvP games on here, I've come to the conclusion that the forward 3rd on the high ground is the safer third then the one farther away on the lower ground.
"British-style cooked breakfast, centred around black pudding, served with square sausage, baked beans, mushrooms, and fried bread." I take that you spend the rest of the day digesting the breakfast?
On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
8:20 Zerg 3rd starts. 9:00 Grubby spots thrid finishing. Zerg gets +1range, burrow and hydra den 9:40 Grubby gets 3 more gates, +2 and blink on the way. 10:40 3rd has 2 spines, he has roaches and hydras, toss is at thrid. 11:00 grubby not yet attacking. 11:30 grubby starts 3rd, +2finishes. toss army still on the map, no engagement.
On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
8:20 Zerg 3rd starts. 9:00 Grubby spots thrid finishing. Zerg gets +1range, burrow and hydra den 9:40 Grubby gets 3 more gates, +2 and blink on the way. 10:40 3rd has 2 spines, he has roaches and hydras, toss is at thrid. 11:00 grubby not yet attacking. 11:30 grubby starts 3rd, +2finishes. toss army still on the map, no engagement.
12:40 Zerg 4rth starts. zerg starts +2 13:30 Toss forcfields himself into 4rth, kills it and warps back home. 14:00 zerg getting vipers 15:0 toss +3 cosossus+range finish.
On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
8:20 Zerg 3rd starts. 9:00 Grubby spots thrid finishing. Zerg gets +1range, burrow and hydra den 9:40 Grubby gets 3 more gates, +2 and blink on the way. 10:40 3rd has 2 spines, he has roaches and hydras, toss is at thrid. 11:00 grubby not yet attacking. 11:30 grubby starts 3rd, +2finishes. toss army still on the map, no engagement.
12:40 Zerg 4rth starts. zerg starts +2 13:30 Toss forcfields himself into 4rth, kills it and warps back home. 14:00 zerg getting vipers 15:0 toss +3 cosossus+range finish.
15:20 zerg gets 2 col with vipers in middle of map. 16:00 zerg army in front of toss base 16:30 Toss forcfields them out. still 3 vs 4 base. 17:30 colossi get grabbed, zerg retreats. Zealots at zerg 3rd dont kill hatch.
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
25%
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★★★- Good game (8)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
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On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
8:20 Zerg 3rd starts. 9:00 Grubby spots thrid finishing. Zerg gets +1range, burrow and hydra den 9:40 Grubby gets 3 more gates, +2 and blink on the way. 10:40 3rd has 2 spines, he has roaches and hydras, toss is at thrid. 11:00 grubby not yet attacking. 11:30 grubby starts 3rd, +2finishes. toss army still on the map, no engagement.
12:40 Zerg 4rth starts. zerg starts +2 13:30 Toss forcfields himself into 4rth, kills it and warps back home. 14:00 zerg getting vipers 15:0 toss +3 cosossus+range finish.
15:20 zerg gets 2 col with vipers in middle of map. 16:00 zerg army in front of toss base 16:30 Toss forcfields them out. still 3 vs 4 base. 17:30 colossi get grabbed, zerg retreats. Zealots at zerg 3rd dont kill hatch.
18:00 Toss gets 4rth bottom right. Toss has templar. zerg still roach hydra viper. 20:00 2 col get grabbed and killed again in middle of map 21:30 zerg sourrounds toss, forfield and storms nice, ultra brood lord follow up. toss retreats. 22:40 still 4 base vs 4base. 23:30 star pushes with about 5 broods and 5 ultras. 24:00 they engage, toss has 2 void rays, roaches kill 4rth, broods keep toss at bay.
Yeah I agree with myself, colossi just aren't a good transition in this stage of the game. None of the colossi paid for their cost, except maybe the one who killed all those lings trapped in forcefields (and they would have died to non-colossi too).
On September 11 2013 03:27 Ludwigvan wrote: Yeonsu LE Star (Z, blue) top right - Grubby (P, red) bottom left
Toss: Pylon in main, gate gas. 2nd Pylon at ramp Cyber at ramp. Zerg: Hatch first, then pool, no gas. 3:00 Dronescout probe harras. Probe in main. 3:45 Core starts 4:05 Nexus starts.
4:50 zealot starts 5:15 2 gates, forge at natural wall 6:00 zerg no thrid yet, 2 spines at natural+roach warrent +queen wall. 7:00 zerg has 4 gas now. starts lair. 7:30 toss +1, robo starts, twilight starts.
8:20 Zerg 3rd starts. 9:00 Grubby spots thrid finishing. Zerg gets +1range, burrow and hydra den 9:40 Grubby gets 3 more gates, +2 and blink on the way. 10:40 3rd has 2 spines, he has roaches and hydras, toss is at thrid. 11:00 grubby not yet attacking. 11:30 grubby starts 3rd, +2finishes. toss army still on the map, no engagement.
12:40 Zerg 4rth starts. zerg starts +2 13:30 Toss forcfields himself into 4rth, kills it and warps back home. 14:00 zerg getting vipers 15:0 toss +3 cosossus+range finish.
15:20 zerg gets 2 col with vipers in middle of map. 16:00 zerg army in front of toss base 16:30 Toss forcfields them out. still 3 vs 4 base. 17:30 colossi get grabbed, zerg retreats. Zealots at zerg 3rd dont kill hatch.
18:00 Toss gets 4rth bottom right. Toss has templar. zerg still roach hydra viper. 20:00 2 col get grabbed and killed again in middle of map 21:30 zerg sourrounds toss, forfield and storms nice, ultra brood lord follow up. toss retreats. 22:40 still 4 base vs 4base. 23:30 star pushes with about 5 broods and 5 ultras. 24:00 they engage, toss has 2 void rays, roaches kill 4rth, broods keep toss at bay.
25:00 Star has too much stuff, toss retreats to 2nd. 3rd under attack. Grubby ggs, Starbuck wins!
the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
On September 11 2013 03:46 NoGasfOu wrote: Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
That was a really tense game, right from the moment that Grubby moved into position over the high ground near Starbucks third. I have a feeling Yeonsu could be around for a while if it keeps making games like that.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs Sniper game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
On September 11 2013 03:46 NoGasfOu wrote: Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
Hey guys it's hatertime!
That seemed to be pretty objective; the truth hurts o.O Although I forget if Grubby has actually never won anything in SC2 or if he won a tournament or two.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs Sniper game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
ro16 GSL 2012 season 5. He broke Parting's soul. I remember because a day later, Tastosis were hailing Parting as the best player in the world.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
We don't say his name openly around here.
I like him... he is like duckdeok, but fuckdeok did not fall into challenger league right away.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
We don't say his name openly around here.
I like him... he is like duckdeok, but fuckdeok did not fall into challenger league right away.
duckdeok and he who shall not be named are the opposite of each other considering what happened after the finals :O
On September 11 2013 03:46 NoGasfOu wrote: Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
Not too long ago, he made Ro4 WCS EU by beating MVP. W T F
And there are almost no heavy invite tournaments left besides Homestory Cup. Dreamhack is open, IEM qualifier (where Grubby does a very good job qualifying for).
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
We don't say his name openly around here.
I like him... he is like duckdeok, but fuckdeok did not fall into challenger league right away.
duckdeok and he who shall not be named are the opposite of each other considering what happened after the finals :O
He who must no be named had a really great final match in his finals though.
On September 11 2013 03:46 ETisME wrote: the best part about starbuck play is how he just keeps baiting FFs, grubby just keeps failing his forcefields, only catching a roach and hydra for 5 or 6 FFs. FF suddenly feels like a very well designed spell in this game lol
I remember there was that one PartinG vs DR Doom game in his i-hate-fans run where PartinG warned about doing soul train and sniper DID bait the FFs.
We don't say his name openly around here.
I like him... he is like duckdeok, but fuckdeok did not fall into challenger league right away.
duckdeok and he who shall not be named are the opposite of each other considering what happened after the finals :O
He who must no be named had a really great final match in his finals though.
No emotion though or at least not enough for people to forgive him :O
On September 11 2013 03:46 NoGasfOu wrote: Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
Not too long ago, he made Ro4 WCS EU by beating MVP. W T F
And there are almost no heavy invite tournaments left besides Homestory Cup. Dreamhack is open, IEM qualifier (where Grubby does a very good job qualifying for).
There are favorites in DH and IEM like Innovation.
On September 11 2013 03:59 Ludwigvan wrote: Bel'shir vestige LE - Lucifron (T, blue) bottom right, Starbuck (Z, red) top left
Terra: Rax, gas, 2 reaper then Fac, reactor, expo in main Zerg: Dronescout for proxy then hatch first. gas before pool
4:10 reaper in main gets 1 drone, zerglings pop
- short pause
5:20 3rd cc starts, tech lab on rax 6:30 orbital lands at nat., speed finishes. 7:00 6 speedlings in nat, hellions and repers go back, no scv killed, lings dead. roach warrent 8:00 8 roaches and a baneling nest start, no evo yet.
On September 11 2013 03:59 Ludwigvan wrote: Bel'shir vestige LE - Lucifron (T, blue) bottom right, Starbuck (Z, red) top left
Terra: Rax, gas, 2 reaper then Fac, reactor, expo in main Zerg: Dronescout for proxy then hatch first. gas before pool
4:10 reaper in main gets 1 drone, zerglings pop
- short pause
5:20 3rd cc starts, tech lab on rax 6:30 orbital lands at nat., speed finishes. 7:00 6 speedlings in nat, hellions and repers go back, no scv killed, lings dead. roach warrent 8:00 8 roaches and a baneling nest start, no evo yet.
9:00 roaches spotted, many lings on the way. 9:40 luci has 3 bunkers and 3rd orbital in front of wall. 10:00 banes kill wall, many scvs die from banes and roaches. 10:40 roaches in main, lings at natural. 11:20 main wall gets busted 11:40 spire starts, luci survives, but its 33 supply to 68. double evolution finish. 40 scvs have been killed.
gold league scrub here and all, but i've wondered at times if when zerg takes a big lead like this and terran starts massing widow mine defense at the front it wouldn't be worth researching drop tech and going for a big doom drop into the main? considering how we've seen terrans make some crazy comebacks turtling with mules and mines, would this be a viable thing at high levels?
On September 11 2013 04:06 Waise wrote: gold league scrub here and all, but i've wondered at times if when zerg takes a big lead like this and terran starts massing widow mine defense at the front it wouldn't be worth researching drop tech and going for a big doom drop into the main? considering how we've seen terrans make some crazy comebacks turtling with mules and mines, would this be a viable thing at high levels?
Not really, unless you manage to somehow completely hide it.
On September 11 2013 03:46 NoGasfOu wrote: Not surprise at all. Grubby got the the best chance to get the most WCS points along with naniwa. He never wins a thing even thought getting sent to every tournament.
Not too long ago, he made Ro4 WCS EU by beating MVP. W T F
And there are almost no heavy invite tournaments left besides Homestory Cup. Dreamhack is open, IEM qualifier (where Grubby does a very good job qualifying for).
It turns out you're only saying that because the "truth hurts", apparently.
On September 11 2013 03:59 Ludwigvan wrote: Bel'shir vestige LE - Lucifron (T, blue) bottom right, Starbuck (Z, red) top left
Terra: Rax, gas, 2 reaper then Fac, reactor, expo in main Zerg: Dronescout for proxy then hatch first. gas before pool
4:10 reaper in main gets 1 drone, zerglings pop
- short pause
5:20 3rd cc starts, tech lab on rax 6:30 orbital lands at nat., speed finishes. 7:00 6 speedlings in nat, hellions and repers go back, no scv killed, lings dead. roach warrent 8:00 8 roaches and a baneling nest start, no evo yet.
9:00 roaches spotted, many lings on the way. 9:40 luci has 3 bunkers and 3rd orbital in front of wall. 10:00 banes kill wall, many scvs die from banes and roaches. 10:40 roaches in main, lings at natural. 11:20 main wall gets busted 11:40 spire starts, luci survives, but its 33 supply to 68. double evolution finish. 40 scvs have been killed.
12:00 Zerg 3rd has finished 14:30 luci attacks 3rd with 2 medivacs and some mm, gets killed off by muta ling. 16:00 zerg has: melee, carace, +1air 17:00 terra has 3rd, +1 +1 muta harass main, no baneling speed. zerg 2 more bases left and right 18:00 medivacs with marines harass main, but get killed of by muta. marines kill right base.
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On September 11 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: mules are really really strong lol, they can bring you back from almost anything
He was ridiculously ahead.
just from personal experience, ive had games where I lost all my scvs to bane/ling all ins or something and then mules bring me back into the game to win it.
Starbuck looks really shaky. I don't think he has much of a chance in a macro game and I doubt Lucifron will die to a roach bane all in twice in a bo3. Lucifron 2-1 Starbuck!
On September 11 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: mules are really really strong lol, they can bring you back from almost anything
He was ridiculously ahead.
Still, 20 scv's, and still capable of fighting due to macro mechanics of Terran. But honestly, Starbuck played badly to end this game. There was no need of Mutas, at all. Just bane speed, +1+1 and go full roach bane Hyun style.. He was just playing bad. And Lucifron just got hard countered due to self confidence and lack of scout.
On September 11 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: mules are really really strong lol, they can bring you back from almost anything
He was ridiculously ahead.
just from personal experience, ive had games where I lost all my scvs to bane/ling all ins or something and then mules bring me back into the game to win it.
Sorry, it was my reading comprehension problem i thought you meant mutas, since you are toss :D
On September 11 2013 04:12 Zheryn wrote: Starbuck looks really shaky. I don't think he has much of a chance in a macro game and I doubt Lucifron will die to a roach bane all in twice in a bo3. Lucifron 2-1 Starbuck!
On September 11 2013 03:59 Ludwigvan wrote: Bel'shir vestige LE - Lucifron (T, blue) bottom right, Starbuck (Z, red) top left
Terra: Rax, gas, 2 reaper then Fac, reactor, expo in main Zerg: Dronescout for proxy then hatch first. gas before pool
4:10 reaper in main gets 1 drone, zerglings pop
- short pause
5:20 3rd cc starts, tech lab on rax 6:30 orbital lands at nat., speed finishes. 7:00 6 speedlings in nat, hellions and repers go back, no scv killed, lings dead. roach warrent 8:00 8 roaches and a baneling nest start, no evo yet.
9:00 roaches spotted, many lings on the way. 9:40 luci has 3 bunkers and 3rd orbital in front of wall. 10:00 banes kill wall, many scvs die from banes and roaches. 10:40 roaches in main, lings at natural. 11:20 main wall gets busted 11:40 spire starts, luci survives, but its 33 supply to 68. double evolution finish. 40 scvs have been killed.
12:00 Zerg 3rd has finished 14:30 luci attacks 3rd with 2 medivacs and some mm, gets killed off by muta ling. 16:00 zerg has: melee, carace, +1air 17:00 terra has 3rd, +1 +1 muta harass main, no baneling speed. zerg 2 more bases left and right 18:00 medivacs with marines harass main, but get killed of by muta. marines kill right base.
19:00 muta harrass terra third, but orbital survives. 20:00 terra army, marines, couple of mines and medivacs attack zerg 4rth left. 21:00 Banelings with speed kill of army, 2 mines kill couple of mutas, terra third gets harrased, scvs die. 22:00 80 vs 170 supply, terra has almost no eco, zerglings at 3rd again. 23:00 terra 3rd dies. Luci ggs, Star wins!
On September 11 2013 04:13 Nebuchad wrote: (people using this game to ask for zerg buffs) You do realize that StarBuck won, right?
who's asking for zerg buffs? are you talking about me? i just think help with late game drop defense would be nice for zvt in general, it's not something i suddenly decided based on this game...
On September 11 2013 04:13 Nebuchad wrote: (people using this game to ask for zerg buffs) You do realize that StarBuck won, right?
who's asking for zerg buffs? are you talking about me? i just think help with late game drop defense would be nice for zvt in general, it's not something i suddenly decided based on this game...
Lategame in modern TvZ is more mutas and more banes instead of ultras. Actually i believe StarBuck once whined that ultras suck in TvZ :3
Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
On September 11 2013 04:13 Nebuchad wrote: (people using this game to ask for zerg buffs) You do realize that StarBuck won, right?
who's asking for zerg buffs? are you talking about me? i just think help with late game drop defense would be nice for zvt in general, it's not something i suddenly decided based on this game...
Lategame in modern TvZ is more mutas and more banes instead of ultras. Actually i believe StarBuck once whined that ultras suck in TvZ :3
yeah that's part of why i think hive tech spine buff would be nice... you would actually be able to go out on the map with an ultra/infestor/brood lord ball without having all your tech and bases just massacred by tiny drops
not saying anything is OP, it would just open up a different playstyle for zerg, and i think most would agree more variety is a good thing
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
This guy 2-0'd Genius, this guy is clearly best player in this group.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
On September 11 2013 04:20 stuchiu wrote: well he's dead. onto game3.
Yeah. I remember Lucifron winning similar game against Bly (after dropping game in macro to Bly LOL) but it was almost-got-you roach-bane into cloaked banshee bop.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
On September 11 2013 04:22 Zheryn wrote: Worst all in I've seen, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to win against.
It used to work in 2010 i heard.
The last time this worked was in 2012 Symbol vs MKP. Which was why I yelled Symbol. Back then MKP only did cc first low ground or proxy 2 rax, so it was hilarious when he died.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
On September 11 2013 04:22 Zheryn wrote: Worst all in I've seen, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to win against.
It used to work in 2010 i heard.
The last time this worked was in 2012 Symbol vs MKP. Which was why I yelled Symbol. Back then MKP only did cc first low ground or proxy 2 rax, so it was hilarious when he died.
On September 11 2013 04:22 Zheryn wrote: Worst all in I've seen, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to win against.
It used to work in 2010 i heard.
The last time this worked was in 2012 Symbol vs MKP. Which was why I yelled Symbol. Back then MKP only did cc first low ground or proxy 2 rax, so it was hilarious when he died.
Is it that iron squid series where MKP got caught with his pants down by symbol three times in a row? I mostly remember iron squid 1 for jjakji vs nestea where jjakji destroyed nestea so hard he threw the series with three god awful builds.
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On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
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On September 11 2013 04:19 Ludwigvan wrote: Akilo Wastes - Lucifron (T, red) top left - Starbuck (Z, blue) bottom right
Zerg: Scouts for proxy in his main and then 12 gas, pool. Terra: rax, gas.
3:20 roach warrent, luci starts 2nd reaper 3:50 2nd cc starts. 4:00 reaper sees no hatch at zerg natural, bunker starts. 5:00 7 roaches hatch, factory gets started, ebay. 5:20 zerg expands. 5:50 reapers harras zerg main, queen defends. 6:00 roaches attack wall, terra has turret. zerg has burrow. airport on way. 7:00 cloak for banshee start.
8:30 roaches burrow and harrasses, while terra takes natural with bunker. 2 banshees. 10:30 zerg has spore for detection, not enough queens to kill banshee. 11:00 hellions go into main, drones burrow, terra scans and kills some drones. 12:00 3 banshees followed by overseer harras lair, not enouf anti air. spire on way 13:00 lair gets killed. mutas on way.
How small of a chance did Starbuck have in g2 at the end? About 0.0000000000000000000000000001%. In order to win he needed Lucifron to fall out of his chair have the casters go blind and the observor not pause when it was obvious Lucifron had afk'ed.
What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
On September 11 2013 04:22 Zheryn wrote: Worst all in I've seen, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to win against.
It used to work in 2010 i heard.
The last time this worked was in 2012 Symbol vs MKP. Which was why I yelled Symbol. Back then MKP only did cc first low ground or proxy 2 rax, so it was hilarious when he died.
Is it that iron squid series where MKP got caught with his pants down by symbol three times in a row? I mostly remember iron squid 1 for jjakji vs nestea where jjakji destroyed nestea so hard he threw the series with three god awful builds.
It happened in GSL and Iron squid. I forget which one happened first.
On September 11 2013 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
Roach bane works fine if you are willing to gamble.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
On September 11 2013 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
Roach bane is probably the best all in, or some weird nydus play.
On September 11 2013 04:19 Ludwigvan wrote: Akilo Wastes - Lucifron (T, red) top left - Starbuck (Z, blue) bottom right
Zerg: Scouts for proxy in his main and then 12 gas, pool. Terra: rax, gas.
3:20 roach warrent, luci starts 2nd reaper 3:50 2nd cc starts. 4:00 reaper sees no hatch at zerg natural, bunker starts. 5:00 7 roaches hatch, factory gets started, ebay. 5:20 zerg expands. 5:50 reapers harras zerg main, queen defends. 6:00 roaches attack wall, terra has turret. zerg has burrow. airport on way. 7:00 cloak for banshee start.
8:30 roaches burrow and harrasses, while terra takes natural with bunker. 2 banshees. 10:30 zerg has spore for detection, not enough queens to kill banshee. 11:00 hellions go into main, drones burrow, terra scans and kills some drones. 12:00 3 banshees followed by overseer harras lair, not enouf anti air. spire on way 13:00 lair gets killed. mutas on way.
14:00 hellions in natural toast a lot burrowed drones, while mutas move out. zerg has 15 drones. 15:00 6 mutas try to harass, while 3rd cc gets buld. Star ggs, Luci wins!
On September 11 2013 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
On September 11 2013 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
Roach bane works fine if you are willing to gamble.
Cheese works when it is not expected, does not it?
On September 11 2013 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: What all-in is good at Frost? I think ling runbys trickery won't work against Luci this time now IMO. Maybe simply midgame ling-bane bust? StarBucks needs to have good injects for this though.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
Innovation vs Soulkey @ GSL finals. Choking is pretty common unless you are Mvp with good wrists.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
Innovation vs Soulkey @ GSL finals. Choking is pretty common unless you are Mvp with good wrists.
Mvp with bad wrists still clutch enough to beat Squirtle.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
Innovation vs Soulkey @ GSL finals. Choking is pretty common unless you are Mvp with good wrists.
Mvp with bad wrists still clutch enough to beat Squirtle.
Squirtle is choker, when it comes to finals. And so probably are most of tosses :D
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
Innovation vs Soulkey @ GSL finals. Choking is pretty common unless you are Mvp with good wrists.
Everbody got its weakness. MVP is bad in online cups(bo3s) but is a beast in GSL type tournaments, even with bad wrists.
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
On September 11 2013 04:18 BlackCompany wrote: Lucifron never disappoints. Oh wait, he always does. But seriously, no offence to Starbuck, but going out in ro32 vs him would be a new low for Lucifron..
A man must always bear the law of bomber, after WCS finals lucifron took it from bomber.
So Lucifron must win a championship to get rid of the law. I would say thats impossible but if bomber can do it...
Bomber at least won 2 premier tournaments before :D
That was so long ago, it doesnt count! Otherwise we would ruin all the fun and puns that the law of bomber gave us..^^
Law of Bomber had it's birth in games against ByuN, everyone knows that.
I will never understand how you can win the first 2 games in dominating fashion and then completly fall apart. But Bomber isnt the only one to do that.. Life basicly needs his opponent to go up 2 or 3 games ^^
Innovation vs Soulkey @ GSL finals. Choking is pretty common unless you are Mvp with good wrists.
Mvp with bad wrists still clutch enough to beat Squirtle.
Squirtle is choker, when it comes to finals. And so probably are most of tosses :D
Squirtle is one of the few true kongs, he doesn't win 1st in any tournament for his life.
Well Europes chance for a non-all-korean blizzcon died when Naniwa got eliminated. Now the question is, if "insert favourite korean player here" makes it to blizzcon
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
15:00 marine madivac some mines again at zerg 4rth, back and forth in front of 4rth. 17:00 terra +3+3 start. Zerg has 5th bottom left 3rd. terra drops there. still battleling in the middle. 18:00 zerg 5th get killed. Muta kill lots of scvs at terra 3rd, terra comes back. 19:00 zerg gets new 5th top right. luci gets 4rth
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
15:00 marine madivac some mines again at zerg 4rth, back and forth in front of 4rth. 17:00 terra +3+3 start. Zerg has 5th bottom left 3rd. terra drops there. still battleling in the middle. 18:00 zerg 5th get killed. Muta kill lots of scvs at terra 3rd, terra comes back. 19:00 zerg gets new 5th top right. luci gets 4rth
20:30 mutas bate marines into burrowed banes (^_^). Terra at home, zerg attacking 4rth. 21:20 terra lifts cc. luci drops 5th, gets killed. 22:30 hive is ready. terra moves out, 20 mutas, hive upgrades start, ultra cavern start.
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On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
15:00 marine madivac some mines again at zerg 4rth, back and forth in front of 4rth. 17:00 terra +3+3 start. Zerg has 5th bottom left 3rd. terra drops there. still battleling in the middle. 18:00 zerg 5th get killed. Muta kill lots of scvs at terra 3rd, terra comes back. 19:00 zerg gets new 5th top right. luci gets 4rth
20:30 mutas bate marines into burrowed banes (^_^). Terra at home, zerg attacking 4rth. 21:20 terra lifts cc. luci drops 5th, gets killed. 22:30 hive is ready. terra moves out, 20 mutas, hive upgrades start, ultra cavern start.
24:00 zerg has 5th bottom left. big back and forth battles in the middle, zerg wins. 25:00 ultras on the way, zerg 5th got dropped and killed. 26:30 zerg 5th and 6th are buold and mining. ultras in middle of map. 27:00 LLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGG 27:30 plating ready, some marauders in army. ultras have no support close to terra 3rd. 28:00 ultras retreat, zerg 6th get killed and rebuild on top.
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
15:00 marine madivac some mines again at zerg 4rth, back and forth in front of 4rth. 17:00 terra +3+3 start. Zerg has 5th bottom left 3rd. terra drops there. still battleling in the middle. 18:00 zerg 5th get killed. Muta kill lots of scvs at terra 3rd, terra comes back. 19:00 zerg gets new 5th top right. luci gets 4rth
20:30 mutas bate marines into burrowed banes (^_^). Terra at home, zerg attacking 4rth. 21:20 terra lifts cc. luci drops 5th, gets killed. 22:30 hive is ready. terra moves out, 20 mutas, hive upgrades start, ultra cavern start.
24:00 zerg has 5th bottom left. big back and forth battles in the middle, zerg wins. 25:00 ultras on the way, zerg 5th got dropped and killed. 26:30 zerg 5th and 6th are buold and mining. ultras in middle of map. 27:30 plating ready, some marauders in army. ultras have no support close to terra 3rd. 28:00 ultras retreat, zerg 6th get killed and rebuild on top.
29:30 14 maurauders, lots of mines, fighting in middle of map. terra gets pushed back. 30:00 terra 4rth got killed, ultras killed, muta survive. luci ggs, Star wins!
On September 11 2013 04:54 Waise wrote: i don't watch a lot of korean play, do they use baneling landmines in the middle of engagements the way starbuck was? haven't seen much of that
Sometimes but mainly between engagements like that bait StarBuck did.
eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
On September 11 2013 04:54 Waise wrote: i don't watch a lot of korean play, do they use baneling landmines in the middle of engagements the way starbuck was? haven't seen much of that
yes, but most korea terrans are too good to fall for it.
On September 11 2013 04:54 Waise wrote: i don't watch a lot of korean play, do they use baneling landmines in the middle of engagements the way starbuck was? haven't seen much of that
Well, it´s a move as old as sc2 beta and allways gets forgotten and reinvented every half year.
On September 11 2013 04:36 Ludwigvan wrote: Frost LE - Lucifron (T, blue) top left - Starbuck (Z, red) bottom right
Terra: Rax, gas, scv scout, 2reapers. Zerg: hatch first, pool, no drone scout, gas.
3:40 terra scout at zerg base. bunker in main of zerg before ramp. 4:00 scv dead, bunker gets busted. 5:00 speed on the way, factory and 2 ccs.
6:10 Zerg: roach warrent at front, 3rd left of main. he has 2 gas 7:00 stim on the way, hellions and reapers sit at home. 7:40 lings poke in front 8:20 roaches and hellions meet at zerg 3rd nothing killed. zerglings poke at terra natural, run into bunker.
9:00 spire on the way, melee and carapace banelingspeed on the way. terra gets +1+1shields. 10:30 burrow starts, terras 3rd lands, zerg 4rth gets build. 11:30 zerglings kill 12 workers at terra 3rd, while hellions in middle of map. 12:00 hellions get killed in zerg base. marine medivac attack zerg 4rth. 13:00 terra army gets pushed back by zerg,bane,muta. terra gets +2+2, zerg gets +1air +1melee.
15:00 marine madivac some mines again at zerg 4rth, back and forth in front of 4rth. 17:00 terra +3+3 start. Zerg has 5th bottom left 3rd. terra drops there. still battleling in the middle. 18:00 zerg 5th get killed. Muta kill lots of scvs at terra 3rd, terra comes back. 19:00 zerg gets new 5th top right. luci gets 4rth
20:30 mutas bate marines into burrowed banes (^_^). Terra at home, zerg attacking 4rth. 21:20 terra lifts cc. luci drops 5th, gets killed. 22:30 hive is ready. terra moves out, 20 mutas, hive upgrades start, ultra cavern start.
24:00 zerg has 5th bottom left. big back and forth battles in the middle, zerg wins. 25:00 ultras on the way, zerg 5th got dropped and killed. 26:30 zerg 5th and 6th are buold and mining. ultras in middle of map. 27:30 plating ready, some marauders in army. ultras have no support close to terra 3rd. 28:00 ultras retreat, zerg 6th get killed and rebuild on top.
29:30 14 maurauders, lots of mines, fighting in middle of map. terra gets pushed back. 30:00 terra 4rth got killed, ultras killed, muta survive. luci ggs, Star wins!
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
On September 11 2013 04:45 phrenzy wrote: I cant see starbuck taking this.
On September 11 2013 04:45 stuchiu wrote: If he gets ultras, I think starbuck dies.
On September 11 2013 04:50 lolfail9001 wrote: Ultras... the good way to lose a ZvT
All these haters
He won it on the back of mutas actually.
Ultras helped a ton.
Dunno really. Ofc ultra-muta is sick good because if you spread you die from mutas glaive and if you do not you die from ultras, assuming you will actually get good balance between Marine-Marauder. I still think that MOAR mutas is better. Ater all Innovation was whining about 'em :3
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
did you read what I said the casters. and it was absolutely painful to hear the whole early game just none stop is starbuck going to all in he's NOT shock I don't think he can do I don't think he can and just over and over again so annoyingly painful to hear.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You know how far back the lucifron hype train goes? All the way back to when lucifron played DRG in one of those smaller dreamhacks. So many casters and people were like lucifron is going to beat DRG and this was during DRG's peak vs terran. DRG went on to smash lucifron like he was nothing and won that dreamhack.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
Well, he kinda took a game off Stephano in WCS EU 2012 :3
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
did you read what I said the casters. and it was absolutely painful to hear the whole early game just none stop is starbuck going to all in he's NOT shock I don't think he can do I don't think he can and just over and over again so annoyingly painful to hear.
Not really, Lucifron is probably the best foreign terran and TvZ macro games are somewhat terran favoured. Starbuck was clearly the underdog
I'm impressed with Starbuck. I saw some Korean-like skills in his play... baiting widow mines effectively, burrowed banes in combat, smart tech switches like adding mutas at the end there. The only thing I didn't like was his 1-base roach.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
Demuslim is a great player but has serious nerve issues. Its kinda sad honestly.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
demuslim overrated? for every person who still hypes him there are about 50 who constantly talk about how he's a trashy foreign ladder warrior...
50 followers? it was at 250 when I clicked follow, and 276 a few seconds later, and 376 a few seconds later (probably 500+ when this is posted). Seems like a cool guy, I'll definately cheer for him in Ro16.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How is Grubby overrated... if you said "one of the players with insanely many - and therefore annoying- fanboys" yes. But overrated?
And yes Demu matches this description quite a bit better... he has not done anything relevant in like forever. But maybe being a successful streamer accounts for "relevant" in which case it's my bad.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
Well, he kinda took a game off Stephano in WCS EU 2012 :3
lol should I name every trash player that's ever taken a game from stephano?
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
demuslim overrated? for every person who still hypes him there are about 50 who constantly talk about how he's a trashy foreign ladder warrior...
Yeah, that's right now, but right after release the hype level on Demuslim was amazing.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
It has been rather silent on that front lately though. Majors hype/win ratio is also quite something.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
정민수 @SC2_Genius 1h @ntssauce i have not team my spend money Retweeted by Shaun Clark
Dayum
Quick someone start the donation fund to get Genius to WCS on reddit! I just saw a donation post yesterday for some player I have never heard of to go to DH and it was successful.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How is Grubby overrated... if you said "one of the players with insanely many - and therefore annoying- fanboys" yes. But overrated?
And yes Demu matches this description quite a bit better... he has not done anything relevant in like forever. But maybe being a successful streamer accounts for "relevant" in which case it's my bad.
At that point, i was just throwing the overrated label freely because that's what canuck was doing. Lucifron had a good run on WCS S1, stopped by forGG allmighty TvT and the ATC when he was on K3. Grubby had last season, losing to the champion. Both of them are players that the casters will say "that maybe this is their tournament", but never quite get to win it. As simple as that.
Or if you want to argue about it, you can just check player ratings like aligulac (if you can obviously read between lines about the different pools where the points are substracted). Most foreigners get really overhyped if we compare them to their korean counterparts. That's obvious.
정민수 @SC2_Genius 1h @ntssauce i have not team my spend money Retweeted by Shaun Clark
Dayum
What is he saying: a) I have no team. I'll spend my money to go. b) I have no team. I've spent all my money and cannot go. ? Either way, poor guy. I hope someone picks him up asap.
정민수 @SC2_Genius 1h @ntssauce i have not team my spend money Retweeted by Shaun Clark
Dayum
What is he saying: a) I have no team. I'll spend my own money to go. b) I have no team. I've spent all my money and cannot go. ? Either way, poor guy. I hope someone picks him up asap.
I think he's saying he's saying he's using his own money
On September 11 2013 05:05 Finganforn wrote: 50 followers? it was at 250 when I clicked follow, and 276 a few seconds later, and 376 a few seconds later (probably 500+ when this is posted). Seems like a cool guy, I'll definately cheer for him in Ro16.
I wish someone picked genius up, I feel so bad for him D: Also StarBuck played really solid I know him for a long time, first he was like master top 25 1 and a half year ago , now he is tearing very known guys apart!
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
demuslim overrated? for every person who still hypes him there are about 50 who constantly talk about how he's a trashy foreign ladder warrior...
Yeah, that's right now, but right after release the hype level on Demuslim was amazing.
Foreign terran players get hyped more than their zerg/protoss counterparts for obvious reasons. Its to be expected honestly
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
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On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Do you actually believe Major and Illusion are better than Lucifron? Or is that just NA bias?
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote: [quote] Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
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On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote: eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses.
Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Do you actually believe Major and Illusion are better than Lucifron? Or is that just NA bias?
how did anything I say relate to skill at all? we are talking about hype. although i'd love to see illusion or major vs lucifron it would perhaps help me to see that not all of his hype is bullcrap or perhaps it would prove once again that European arrogance is mostly unfounded.
Ladies and gentleman this is not the next Redbull Invitational.. this is the players who dropped out of WCS EU Premier. It may not help the HYPE but I for one love new faces working their way up.
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
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On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
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On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote: [quote] You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote: [quote]
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote: [quote] Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Do you actually believe Major and Illusion are better than Lucifron? Or is that just NA bias?
how did anything I say relate to skill at all? we are talking about hype. although i'd love to see illusion or major vs lucifron it would perhaps help me to see that not all of his hype is bullcrap or perhaps it would prove once again that European arrogance is mostly unfounded.
For sure he is overhyped but skillwise the difference is pretty clear to anyone with eyes
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
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On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote: [quote]
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
Ladies and gentleman this is not the next Redbull Invitational.. this is the players who dropped out of WCS EU Premier. It may not help the HYPE but I for one love new faces working their way up.
That's a great list but noname definitely takes the thunder out of it.
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
Ok I don't want to get involved too heavily but I will say he placed third at WCS EU 2012 at the height of the "OMG Zerg imba" so I would say that is pretty decent. I agree though, casters hype him too much for his skill level.
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
No? I don't remember either of them winning anything major either. Lucifron at least has some decent tournament placings and more 1st place finishes in the minor tournaments from what I can see. He's even done better in his respective region. Both Illusion and Major have yet to make it past a ro32 in WCS.
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote: [quote] Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy.
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
How does this even makes sence? Both of them are foreign terrans too and between them (talking about achievments, not current skill) and LucifroN there are still Happy, Naama, Brat_OK, GoOdy, Strelok, ClouD, Dayshi, QXC, Fenix, BeastyQT, Demuslim, Tarson and probably a few more, that I am forgetting at the moment (With Jinro, ThorZaiN,Sjow and Kas ahead of both).
Edit: Morrow. Still think of him as Zerg, because he was, when I started watching Starcraft. But technically his GC win was with terran as well. Edit2: Moved Sjow to the "ahead of both"-section. Almost forgot, how consistently high he used to place in WoL.
i wanna hit grubby and luci damn so f...... i mean i think its cool starbuck came trough, and i rly like genius, but this two was europas last hope of top16 now only if scarlett plays there is a chance of a non korean in the top16
On September 11 2013 02:00 boxerfred wrote: I'm not a Grubby fanboy, but Genius just got my absolute hate for playing such a cheesy game. I want that guy to lose #1 now.
Not Genius fault when Grubby is not good enough to survive such things. It just shows what Genius thinks of his opponent. WP Mr. Void ray :D.
On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote: Lucifron hype train finally derailed?!
The Lucifron hype train was from back in WoL. Sure he was good, but by now we can accept that he'll just be another example of a foreign Terran that had potential but could never string together enough wins to become a championship contender. :\
On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote: Lucifron hype train finally derailed?!
The Lucifron hype train was from back in WoL. Sure he was good, but by now we can accept that he'll just be another example of a foreign Terran that had potential but could never string together enough wins to become a championship contender. :\
But he was supposed to be the best foreigner that would slay the Stephano and bring balance to the starcrafts!
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote: [quote]
Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype.
You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole lot of nothing.
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote: [quote] You forget Grubby tho.
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
yeah, lucifron is just fine, he's getting better at a similar pace with other pros and holding his own, and making pretty deep runs. This is disconnected from him having a breakout result, which could take a looong time to come or maybe not even happen. its not a big deal. people shouldn't be all or nothing on pros; of course hype is hype but lucifron is still really fucking good, he's still competitive, there is no doubt, thats all that matters.
im glad pros disregard the garbage most people spew from their nooblet hands.
On September 11 2013 10:11 RPR_Tempest wrote: Did Starbuck do any of his trademark crazy strategies?
his ZvP was trademark starbuck apparently, i can't speak for his ZvT. he seemed to play a julyzerg/life droning style, slowly droning, teching, producing army all at constant rates, liked to stay on 55 or less drones in ZvP as well.
On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote: [quote]
How about Demuslim?
If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
actually it seems like I suddenly recall him beating taeja at some point so I take some of what I said back he's more decent than I gave him credit for and maybe he is better than illusion/major I still lack enough info to tell for sure.
On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
Mvp, PartinG, Oz, Stardust, Hyun, MMA, HerO, Taeja, Ryung, pretty much every top foreigner... The list is on Aligulac. After checking both Illusions and MajOrs list, I still see LucifroN far ahead. Having to have the last word does not make you a troll, it is pretty common in online discussions, I do it as well. Maybe you do just catch the wrong matches of him and got to your opinion this way, but objectively his results are just in another league.
I like how Mvp is at the top of your list, but I do remember LucifroN winning because of one reason: Hellbats.
Afterwards, Mvp commented that he had to see what Hellbats could do with his own eyes, so he made minimal defense intentionally. Then, he took what he learned and almost beat INnoVation. *shrugs*
Are you serious? Someone says, LucifroNs results are equal to MajOr and Illusion. I give his Premier tournament results to clarify that mistake. He says ro16/8 does not mean anything ("10x 0 = 0"). I give Major LAN´s he won. I get to hear, that it is not about results, but about who you beat. I give a list of players, which is bigger thhan MajOrs/Illusions and now you are telling me that it is because of Hellbats? You are nit-picking about the imbalance in a mirror match-up at the 4th level of a discussion, which should have never gone beyond the first.
On September 11 2013 11:13 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 10:06 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote: [quote] Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
Mvp, PartinG, Oz, Stardust, Hyun, MMA, HerO, Taeja, Ryung, pretty much every top foreigner... The list is on Aligulac. After checking both Illusions and MajOrs list, I still see LucifroN far ahead. Having to have the last word does not make you a troll, it is pretty common in online discussions, I do it as well. Maybe you do just catch the wrong matches of him and got to your opinion this way, but objectively his results are just in another league.
ok i'll acknowledge your point there and merely point out that while he's beaten better opponents he also has a tendacy to lose to far worse opponents too. including losing a reaper to probes with tons of room to move about with. the caster can say it happens all he wants but I gareentee that in an event with him facing elimination and literally nothing else to focus on neither major or illusion would ever make that mistake. I can't imagine a pro ever making that mistake i hate to continue to harp on that particular point but it highlights lucifron's short comings so very well. and more to the point he always has so much hype despite his mistakes like that being fairly typical of his tournament runs.
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote: [quote] If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion.
Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
Umm no??? He's achieved WAY more than either of those two and is significantly better than both as well. Illusion has no achievements at all. if anyone is all hype and no substance, its illusion. Maybe look at Wikipedia instead of randomly bashing someone.
On September 11 2013 05:48 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote: [quote] Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!"
None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again.
too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point.
lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less.
Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion?
oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
Umm no??? He's achieved WAY more than either of those two and is significantly better than both as well. Illusion has no achievements at all. if anyone is all hype and no substance, its illusion. Maybe look at Wikipedia instead of randomly bashing someone.
he achieved less than major and illusion? wtf? you should get ur tournemnt results right. he even won the IPL Dice with a 5-1 (or 6-1?) mapscore over scarlett at the end of WoL. yes, he seems on the downfall a bit in the past month, losing twice to babyknight and now in this group where he shouldve probably topped or at least went #2, but major and illusion achieved literally nothing compared to him oO
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