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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 13 2013 19:16 GMT
#521
On August 14 2013 04:10 Big J wrote:
I think ToD wins, because Targa doesn't have enough anti air. Targa should run around and hunt Tod's army with Viper/Corruptor.

Edit: oh well, he realized. Targa can't lose if he stays around his spores ^^


called it. he didn't stay around his crawlers...
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:20:51
August 13 2013 19:16 GMT
#522
Targa played so bad, fungal on almost all voidrays, tod activates them; then Targa just thinks hey let me send my small amounts of corruptors into them while getting stormed because why not.
Gudge
Profile Joined June 2013
542 Posts
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#523
1 hour game and then a-move!
づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ ・。*。・゜✧・。*・゜゜・✧ *。・゜*✧
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#524
ToD loses slightly less than targa 2-1

He will go on to face tefel but oh who cares it's over jesus.
Glorious SEA doto
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:17:47
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#525
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote:
Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air


That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.


Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.
seoul_kiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States545 Posts
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#526
SKY TOSS
oGs.MC: Repair IMBAAAAAAAAAAa
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#527
On August 14 2013 04:16 Zinthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:14 Swords wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote:
I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.


So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.


Which the voids rays could probably have done by themselves because they're insanely efficient vs. corruptors. The insane DPS of the carriers was just icing on the cake.

ya although I think we need to keep in mind the fungals from the infestors. If he got a couple off, that's half the hp gone etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#528
On August 14 2013 04:16 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote:
Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air



TargA played way better for sure.


what? targa was way ahead and he could have killed tod ages ago but he decided not to attack tod and let him mass bases and carriers...
banelings
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#529
TOD ! GG !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#530
On August 14 2013 04:17 leo23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:16 Aeromi wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote:
Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air



TargA played way better for sure.


what? targa was way ahead and he could have killed tod ages ago but he decided not to attack tod and let him mass bases and carriers...



That was ironic.
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Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#531
Casters asking why he chose carriers. Because they have ridiculously high DPS (much more than tempests) as well as a lot of health...
Tarrot
Profile Joined September 2010
Taiwan85 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#532
Targa went from about 6000 minerals to 1000 minerals over 5 minutes building SPINECRAWLERS against the massive air army of Tod. Even if Targa had managed to have an even engagement, he threw away his entire bank fortifying a position where fortifications would've been, and were, useless.
Cracy
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland221 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#533
On August 14 2013 04:16 -KG- wrote:
SH Brood Lord seems ineffective against carriers


Smart ass
Oderint dum probent
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 13 2013 19:18 GMT
#534
How does ToD have any fans, with all the times he's given them heart attacks you'd think they'd all be dead.
Glorious SEA doto
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
August 13 2013 19:19 GMT
#535
On August 14 2013 04:17 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:16 Zinthar wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:14 Swords wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote:
I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.


So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.


Which the voids rays could probably have done by themselves because they're insanely efficient vs. corruptors. The insane DPS of the carriers was just icing on the cake.

ya although I think we need to keep in mind the fungals from the infestors. If he got a couple off, that's half the hp gone etc...


Even if he got every void ray, by the time they died there were still enough carriers to kill the remaining AA.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 13 2013 19:19 GMT
#536
On August 14 2013 04:18 Tarrot wrote:
Targa went from about 6000 minerals to 1000 minerals over 5 minutes building SPINECRAWLERS against the massive air army of Tod. Even if Targa had managed to have an even engagement, he threw away his entire bank fortifying a position where fortifications would've been, and were, useless.

ya the spine crawler part was odd. Maybe he feared a ground transition after? :S
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 13 2013 19:21 GMT
#537
On August 14 2013 04:17 SlixSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote:
Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air


That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.


Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.


static defense. You can't win army vs army, but you can win army vs army+spores. And when he doesn't want to fight, you can fly around with Viper/Corruptor for as long as you want and abduct single units, until he is dead.
Targa just didn't play it out well in the end and Tod was really clever going for somthing like 180 armysupply nearly all in airunits and swinging in from an angle without spores, against an opponent who had half his supply in units that aren't capable of attacking air.
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
August 13 2013 19:23 GMT
#538
The other often over-looked aspect to that last battle is that Void Rays & Carriers both are extremely sensitive to air upgrades. According to liquipedia stats, each upgrade increases Carrier DPS by 20% (vs. 10% for Tempests). ToD either had 3/2 or 3/3 at the end there.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 13 2013 19:23 GMT
#539
Dmytro Filipchuk ‏@DIMAGAsc 20s
@ToDsc2 was nice teleport to your main and then Nexus cannon <3 (sarcasm) P.S. Gratzz
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
August 13 2013 19:24 GMT
#540
On August 14 2013 04:21 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:17 SlixSC wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote:
Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air


That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.


Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.


static defense. You can't win army vs army, but you can win army vs army+spores. And when he doesn't want to fight, you can fly around with Viper/Corruptor for as long as you want and abduct single units, until he is dead.
Targa just didn't play it out well in the end and Tod was really clever going for somthing like 180 armysupply nearly all in airunits and swinging in from an angle without spores, against an opponent who had half his supply in units that aren't capable of attacking air.

The problem was that Targa allowed ToD to do it. Maybe in the end he had little choice, but he should have way earlier pressured Tod. So Tod would be forced to either defend his bases, and once in a while get pulled in by vipers, or go for a base trade but already lose half your own bases before you arrive at the enemies base.

But without Targa pressuring Tod he could happily do whatever he want.
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