While the Premier League players are preparing for the upcoming Round of 16, some fresh faces will get the chance to prove themselves in WCS Europe. The Challenger League is made up of a bracket stage with 40 players followed by a group stage with 32 players. On August 12th we will kick-off the Challenger Round with its first round featuring 32 players. 8 new players advanced from four open qualifiers, 8 players qualified for Challenger League last season, 16 dropped in the first group stage (Ro32) of Premier League and 8 more are going to drop in the second group stage (Ro16) of Premier League taking place from August 5th to 8th. Those eight will join the bracket stage in the third and final round, randomly seeded into the bracket, where eight winners will qualify for WCS EU Season 3 Premier League.
All games are BO3, and are scheduled to start on the hour although these times will be subject to change. Challenger Group play will be on Thursday - Saturday this week also!
On August 13 2013 01:26 1Dhalism wrote: siw retired today, but liquipedia had him as a walk over for weeks now. Come clean now, who's been using the time machine?
How could he be a walkover for weeks when the brackets were released 4-5 days ago
didnt the one caster ( dont know the name, i think it was something with an L ^^ ) want to retire and switch to dota or lol? i just have sth like this in mind, might be wrong.
On August 13 2013 01:29 75 wrote: didnt the one caster ( dont know the name, i think it was something with an L ^^ ) want to retire and switch to dota or lol? i just have sth like this in mind, might be wrong.
Lyrlian switched a few weeks ago, I think he is the one you mean. His normal casting partner madals is currently casting on the english stream, are you maybe confusing those two?
On August 13 2013 01:29 75 wrote: didnt the one caster ( dont know the name, i think it was something with an L ^^ ) want to retire and switch to dota or lol? i just have sth like this in mind, might be wrong.
If you mean Lyrlian (former caster of playhem), that is not him casting on WCS 2.
On August 13 2013 01:29 75 wrote: didnt the one caster ( dont know the name, i think it was something with an L ^^ ) want to retire and switch to dota or lol? i just have sth like this in mind, might be wrong.
Lyrlian switched a few weeks ago, I think he is the one you mean. His normal casting partner madals is currently casting on the english stream, are you maybe confusing those two?
i thought the one with the british accent is lyrlian. edit. ok thanks
I hate how they decide and control the game. If they do a lot of friendly fire or only hit one or two Zerg units, Zerg wins. But if they get good connections on the Zerg army, Terran wins. And it is nearly impossible to predict how they are going to hit.
Btw the german stream will only cover games until 7pm CEST and will then switch to WGC qualifiers. If WGC concludes before WCS is over, he will switch back
On August 13 2013 01:38 Dexington wrote: Lol what was Targa doing?
It was already done before the fight between natural and 3rd Base (the fight before forgg killed Targas 4th base). Forgg had much barracks und many widow mines. Targas decisionsmaking that he still stayed at roaches+ling+bling was very very questionable.
I'd be worried about Genius in that group. KR Protoss, who beat some pretty damn good players in GSTL... but not many games on record... a bit of a wild card. Nerchio, Thorzain, Slivko, watch out.
those couple of widow mines in front of forggs third must have so many kills. dont understand why not even morph one overseer when moving through them several times
On August 13 2013 01:38 Dexington wrote: Lol what was Targa doing?
It was already done before the fight between natural and 3rd Base. Forgg had much barracks und many widow mines. Targas decisionsmaking that he still stay at roaches+ling+bling was very very questionable.
The limit of HyuN's style. It's very powerful but it needs an immaculate macro to win when the Terran gets the 3/3 as the Zerg is only on Lair tech.
On August 13 2013 01:44 jonich0n wrote: I'd be worried about Genius in that group. KR Protoss, who beat some pretty damn good players in GSTL... but not many games on record... a bit of a wild card. Nerchio, Thorzain, Slivko, watch out.
Slivko just defeated Genius 2:1 on the russian stream.
Edit: Although I would sign the analysis before this happened.
On August 13 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote: Such random Widow Mine hits...
I hate how they decide and control the game. If they do a lot of friendly fire or only hit one or two Zerg units, Zerg wins. But if they get good connections on the Zerg army, Terran wins. And it is nearly impossible to predict how they are going to hit.
On August 13 2013 01:44 jonich0n wrote: I'd be worried about Genius in that group. KR Protoss, who beat some pretty damn good players in GSTL... but not many games on record... a bit of a wild card. Nerchio, Thorzain, Slivko, watch out.
Slivko just defeated Genius 2:1 on the russian stream.
On August 13 2013 01:57 SayTT wrote: so its back to qualifying for challenger for both forgg and genius right
No, the EU&AM format is much more forgiving, everyone goes to U&D, they just have a bad seeding there now (And do´nt have a chance to make it directly as well as less challenger points ofc.)
On August 13 2013 01:57 SayTT wrote: so its back to qualifying for challenger for both forgg and genius right
No, the EU&AM format is much more forgiving, everyone goes to U&D, they just have a bad seeding there now (And do´nt have a chance to make it directly as well as less challenger points ofc.)
On August 13 2013 01:57 Big J wrote: So 2/6 Koreans are already out again? foreign stronghold! :eu:
xD
don't speak too soon there's still a Challenger group stage
Yes, we should be careful, what we are aying, In premier league, all koreans got defeated by foreigners in the group stages as well adn in the end they made top 3, although Nani and Welmu were the only ones, that only lost 1 series. Timing is everything.
On August 13 2013 02:59 kusto wrote: Can someone explain to me how Strelok lost that 2nd game?
First lost too many SCVs to banshees and doom-drops and then couldn't handle the BC transition. The heavy mine usage was cute but that was Bunny screwing-up as much as Strelok playing well.
On August 13 2013 03:42 Fusilero wrote: Dayshi 2-1 Noname. Highlight was noname suiciding his BCs prompting nothing more than a "lol" from the russian caster
On August 13 2013 03:42 Fusilero wrote: Dayshi 2-1 Noname. Highlight was noname suiciding his BCs prompting nothing more than a "lol" from the russian caster
I just quit the french stream because Dayshi was losing so hard.
I watched SortOf lose. It was an ok match, but I feel a little sorry for SortOf sometimes. He is really good in ZvZ, but almost NEVER get the chance to play it :O
On August 13 2013 04:01 ThePlagueJG wrote: I watched SortOf lose. It was an ok match, but I feel a little sorry for SortOf sometimes. He is really good in ZvZ, but almost NEVER get the chance to play it :O
On August 13 2013 04:15 BigFan wrote: That was a big win for Stardust. One less robo to make colossi
edit: Stardust annihilated that army. GG!
Excellent to hear. Pulling for Stardust.
Honestly, I don't see him losing although at one point, elfi did have a better concave and forced Stardust to move closer to his third meaning AOE would do more damage due to the smaller space so he can't spread but then he pulled back.
On August 13 2013 05:18 Dingodile wrote: who is taking Stephano's Place?
If there's a forfeit they don't fill in the place, just opponent that gets drawn gets a walkover. so from that part of the bracket the winner of Nerchio v Slivko goes through.
On August 13 2013 05:31 jonich0n wrote: What is this "outside"? Does not compute.
post does not compute
On August 13 2013 05:32 Heartland wrote: Why would AlternativeEgo go outside? It's 22.30 and he lives in the outback, he'll get eaten by wolves/zerglings if he goes out.
On August 13 2013 05:32 Heartland wrote: Why would AlternativeEgo go outside? It's 22.30 and he lives in the outback, he'll get eaten by wolves/zerglings if he goes out.
lol at how we went from talking about the challenger league to discussing AlternativeEgo's reasons for going outside. btw, never base race a zerg as protoss ><
edit: cringyworthy move by dBlinG. Why would you move your momma core outside on its own? ><
On August 13 2013 05:51 BigFan wrote: hmm where does dBlinG rank in terms of players? Is he mid-tier or high-tier foreigner?
Started off high tier when he broke out at the start of 2012. But then after countless encounters with booze and tatoos he's 100% mid tier with slightly above mid tier PvT.
On August 13 2013 05:51 BigFan wrote: hmm where does dBlinG rank in terms of players? Is he mid-tier or high-tier foreigner?
Started off high tier when he broke out at the start of 2012. But then after countless encounters with booze and tatoos he's 100% mid tier with slightly above mid tier PvT.
On August 14 2013 01:40 SmoKim wrote: Denmark hwating! Now go make some upsets Bunny!
I think bunny will crush lucifron
Babyknight goes up against the Devil Terran
Bunny goes up against.... Stardust :-/ fuuu
Stardust and lucifron are my favorite players to hate so I wish both babyknight and bunny the best of luck even if I confused their names in the bracket.
On August 14 2013 01:40 SmoKim wrote: Denmark hwating! Now go make some upsets Bunny!
I think bunny will crush lucifron
Babyknight goes up against the Devil Terran
Bunny goes up against.... Stardust :-/ fuuu
Stardust and lucifron are my favorite players to hate so I wish both babyknight and bunny the best of luck even if I confused their names in the bracket.
And i'm just bias as fuck, but can you blame me, DK has severaly lacked some highclass SC2 players, only recently with Babyknight (and now Bunny to some extent) are we joining all the fun!
On August 14 2013 01:40 SmoKim wrote: Denmark hwating! Now go make some upsets Bunny!
I think bunny will crush lucifron
Babyknight goes up against the Devil Terran
Bunny goes up against.... Stardust :-/ fuuu
Stardust and lucifron are my favorite players to hate so I wish both babyknight and bunny the best of luck even if I confused their names in the bracket.
And i'm just bias as fuck, but can you blame me, DK has severaly lacked some highclass SC2 players, only recently with Babyknight (and now Bunny to some extent) are we joining all the fun!
On August 14 2013 01:40 SmoKim wrote: Denmark hwating! Now go make some upsets Bunny!
I think bunny will crush lucifron
Babyknight goes up against the Devil Terran
Bunny goes up against.... Stardust :-/ fuuu
Stardust and lucifron are my favorite players to hate so I wish both babyknight and bunny the best of luck even if I confused their names in the bracket.
And i'm just bias as fuck, but can you blame me, DK has severaly lacked some highclass SC2 players, only recently with Babyknight (and now Bunny to some extent) are we joining all the fun!
HOW DARE YOU FORGET ACTIONJESUZ.
haha whenever I read actionjesuz name I get a picture in my brain that actionjesuz is in fact action bronson playing starcraft
On August 14 2013 02:20 BlackCompany wrote: Just checking Liquipedia, it says top 24 go into Premier. So TLO is already qualified for premier?.. And what is the next group stage for?^^
Top 8 players advance to the Premier League for the next season.
On August 14 2013 02:20 BlackCompany wrote: Just checking Liquipedia, it says top 24 go into Premier. So TLO is already qualified for premier?.. And what is the next group stage for?^^
top 8 from bracket + top 16 from group stage = top 24
On August 14 2013 02:20 BlackCompany wrote: Just checking Liquipedia, it says top 24 go into Premier. So TLO is already qualified for premier?.. And what is the next group stage for?^^
Top 8 players advance to the Premier League for the next season.
Top 8 only? Why is 9-16th and 17-24th also Premier Seed marked on Liquipedia?
On August 14 2013 02:20 BlackCompany wrote: Just checking Liquipedia, it says top 24 go into Premier. So TLO is already qualified for premier?.. And what is the next group stage for?^^
top 8 from bracket + top 16 from group stage = top 24
On August 14 2013 02:20 BlackCompany wrote: Just checking Liquipedia, it says top 24 go into Premier. So TLO is already qualified for premier?.. And what is the next group stage for?^^
Top 8 players advance to the Premier League for the next season.
after this single elimination format losers are placed into groups where top 2 of the groups ( 16 players ) also advance to premier the third in group stays in challenger and last place is out
TLO losing to Dayshi. Not sure if that's expected or not lol. Having said that, disappointing that TLO lost. He was doing really well in season 1 so I wonder why the change. He has gotten worse? competition got stronger? both? other stuff taking his time? Hopefully he gets back to his previous shape and make the RO8 again.
On August 14 2013 03:15 BigFan wrote: TLO losing to Dayshi. Not sure if that's expected or not lol. Having said that, disappointing that TLO lost. He was doing really well in season 1 so I wonder why the change. He has gotten worse? competition got stronger? both? other stuff taking his time? Hopefully he gets back to his previous shape and make the RO8 again.
I might be biased but I expected this result. Every time they meet TLO gets crushed by Dayshi (7-1 for Dayshi atm). The only time he won was a 6 pool vs 11/11. I hugely recommend this game btw.
On August 14 2013 03:15 BigFan wrote: TLO losing to Dayshi. Not sure if that's expected or not lol. Having said that, disappointing that TLO lost. He was doing really well in season 1 so I wonder why the change. He has gotten worse? competition got stronger? both? other stuff taking his time? Hopefully he gets back to his previous shape and make the RO8 again.
I might be biased but I expected this result. Every time they meet TLO gets crushed by Dayshi (7-1 for Dayshi atm). The only time he won was a 6 pool vs 11/11. I hugely recommend this game btw.
On August 14 2013 03:53 Supter wrote: Real question : couldn't ToD have go for the b2/b1, destroy Targa's whole tech/larvas, and then tp back in his base ?
I mean, the map is so huge, and Targa so out of position, his army so slow ...
It's true, but if the corrupters snipe the mothership core then ToD would lose. Recall has a cast time and it can be sniped before recall goes, which would be insta-loss.
On August 14 2013 03:53 Supter wrote: Real question : couldn't ToD have go for the b2/b1, destroy Targa's whole tech/larvas, and then tp back in his base ?
I mean, the map is so huge, and Targa so out of position, his army so slow ...
It's true, but if the corrupters snipe the mothership core then ToD would lose. Recall has a cast time and it can be sniped before recall goes, which would be insta-loss.
True. He didn't get much anti-air (except for the low range archons) and Corruptors are pretty quick. Didn't think about that.
These immortals are soooo good. I don't think Targa can still win this. Even if his army is going to be hard to kill, he don't have murch larvas left to reproduce.
Please win ToD, this swarm host strategy is so horribly boring and annoying that you deserve to win. But carriers vs that many corruptors, with vipers and infestors will never work
Targa letting 5 immortals kill his main and 2 other bases, not even trying to spread creep. Tod recall into his main to get traped and letting 5 tempest go into corruptors. What is this game.
On August 14 2013 04:03 ssxsilver wrote: I dunno I really like Tod's army. He probably needs another 3 minutes, but this carrier transition is super strong.
I like it too, just perhaps because I like seeing carriers. But carriers vs that many corruptors, with vipers? He will die without doing much damage at all
On August 14 2013 04:03 ssxsilver wrote: I dunno I really like Tod's army. He probably needs another 3 minutes, but this carrier transition is super strong.
I like it too, just perhaps because I like seeing carriers. But carriers vs that many corruptors, with vipers? He will die without doing much damage at all
Yea I don't see it too often either =P, but the DPS in theory seems insane from Tod. Even with this baserace, I like Tod's position.
This is so weird. How come it is that ToD finds himself to be in games like these? Time to add Targa among Sheth and Happy in the ToD weird long game playlist.
Targa will be able to make enough units to max out after rebuilding his tech and that's it whereas tod is going to build a small bank so I think ToD has it if engagement isn't bad.
On August 14 2013 04:11 Adreme wrote: Targa will be able to make enough units to max out after rebuilding his tech and that's it whereas tod is going to build a small bank so I think ToD has it if engagement isn't bad.
On August 14 2013 04:10 Big J wrote: I think ToD wins, because Targa doesn't have enough anti air. Targa should run around and hunt Tod's army with Viper/Corruptor.
Edit: oh well, he realized. Targa can't lose if he stays around his spores ^^
On August 14 2013 04:11 AlternativeEgo wrote: This is so weird. How come it is that ToD finds himself to be in games like these? Time to add Targa among Sheth and Happy in the ToD weird long game playlist.
Well, this is interesting as a one time thing, but if I ever have to watch more games like this I'm going to claw my eyes out - swarm host/broodlord is so boring if it turns into a stalemate (PvZ lategame in general always has been boring in the super lategame - there was a HasuObs game a long time ago in IPTL I think that reminds me a lot of this.)
I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.
The biggest worry are the infestors -- perhaps he could put some HT's in a warp prism and try to feedback them.
On August 14 2013 04:11 AlternativeEgo wrote: This is so weird. How come it is that ToD finds himself to be in games like these? Time to add Targa among Sheth and Happy in the ToD weird long game playlist.
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote: I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.
So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote: I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.
So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.
Which the voids rays could probably have done by themselves because they're insanely efficient vs. corruptors. The insane DPS of the carriers was just icing on the cake.
On August 14 2013 04:10 Big J wrote: I think ToD wins, because Targa doesn't have enough anti air. Targa should run around and hunt Tod's army with Viper/Corruptor.
Edit: oh well, he realized. Targa can't lose if he stays around his spores ^^
Targa played so bad, fungal on almost all voidrays, tod activates them; then Targa just thinks hey let me send my small amounts of corruptors into them while getting stormed because why not.
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote: Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air
That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.
Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote: I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.
So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.
Which the voids rays could probably have done by themselves because they're insanely efficient vs. corruptors. The insane DPS of the carriers was just icing on the cake.
ya although I think we need to keep in mind the fungals from the infestors. If he got a couple off, that's half the hp gone etc...
Targa went from about 6000 minerals to 1000 minerals over 5 minutes building SPINECRAWLERS against the massive air army of Tod. Even if Targa had managed to have an even engagement, he threw away his entire bank fortifying a position where fortifications would've been, and were, useless.
On August 14 2013 04:13 Zinthar wrote: I think ToD is fine here -- Carriers are actually pretty awesome when you have a dozen of them backed by an armada of void rays and a few archons. Targa has too much of his supply in brood lords and swarm hosts, which won't do anything to the Protoss air.
So long as he kills the Corruptors he's fine - that's the only thing that can actually do damage to him.
Which the voids rays could probably have done by themselves because they're insanely efficient vs. corruptors. The insane DPS of the carriers was just icing on the cake.
ya although I think we need to keep in mind the fungals from the infestors. If he got a couple off, that's half the hp gone etc...
Even if he got every void ray, by the time they died there were still enough carriers to kill the remaining AA.
On August 14 2013 04:18 Tarrot wrote: Targa went from about 6000 minerals to 1000 minerals over 5 minutes building SPINECRAWLERS against the massive air army of Tod. Even if Targa had managed to have an even engagement, he threw away his entire bank fortifying a position where fortifications would've been, and were, useless.
ya the spine crawler part was odd. Maybe he feared a ground transition after? :S
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote: Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air
That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.
Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.
static defense. You can't win army vs army, but you can win army vs army+spores. And when he doesn't want to fight, you can fly around with Viper/Corruptor for as long as you want and abduct single units, until he is dead. Targa just didn't play it out well in the end and Tod was really clever going for somthing like 180 armysupply nearly all in airunits and swinging in from an angle without spores, against an opponent who had half his supply in units that aren't capable of attacking air.
The other often over-looked aspect to that last battle is that Void Rays & Carriers both are extremely sensitive to air upgrades. According to liquipedia stats, each upgrade increases Carrier DPS by 20% (vs. 10% for Tempests). ToD either had 3/2 or 3/3 at the end there.
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote: Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air
That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.
Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.
static defense. You can't win army vs army, but you can win army vs army+spores. And when he doesn't want to fight, you can fly around with Viper/Corruptor for as long as you want and abduct single units, until he is dead. Targa just didn't play it out well in the end and Tod was really clever going for somthing like 180 armysupply nearly all in airunits and swinging in from an angle without spores, against an opponent who had half his supply in units that aren't capable of attacking air.
The problem was that Targa allowed ToD to do it. Maybe in the end he had little choice, but he should have way earlier pressured Tod. So Tod would be forced to either defend his bases, and once in a while get pulled in by vipers, or go for a base trade but already lose half your own bases before you arrive at the enemies base.
But without Targa pressuring Tod he could happily do whatever he want.
On August 14 2013 04:15 Nerchio wrote: Tod played that so well... nah just kidding, it was obvious for 20 minutes he would win with protoss air
That's exactly what I thought, yet the commentators seem really surprised. Void ray/carrier is basically unbeatable for zerg. especially if half your supply is swarm hosts.
Carrier > tempests once you reach a critical mass they destroy things very quickly.
static defense. You can't win army vs army, but you can win army vs army+spores. And when he doesn't want to fight, you can fly around with Viper/Corruptor for as long as you want and abduct single units, until he is dead. Targa just didn't play it out well in the end and Tod was really clever going for somthing like 180 armysupply nearly all in airunits and swinging in from an angle without spores, against an opponent who had half his supply in units that aren't capable of attacking air.
The problem was that Targa allowed ToD to do it. Maybe in the end he had little choice, but he should have way earlier pressured Tod. So Tod would be forced to either defend his bases, and once in a while get pulled in by vipers, or go for a base trade but already lose half your own bases before you arrive at the enemies base.
But without Targa pressuring Tod he could happily do whatever he want.
yeah, Targa played it out quite badly. He should not have gone for that basetrade, but instead either tried to attack the army or just creep/split the whole map defensively and built 100crawlers or more.
On August 14 2013 04:34 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: StarDust ''/
Somewhere in a cushy as fuck Swiss university bigs approves.
I believe he lives in geneva, and geneva isn't exactly known for having a cushy uni (no real campus, old buildings spread throughout the city, overall a lesser reputation than Zurich or Lausanne). But yeah, could be worse for him.
i really like that everything in EU CL is casted, and that it gives lesser known caster a good chance. I like them pretty, mutch, yesterday they had a pretty good chemistry.
On August 14 2013 04:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: Ret < Starbuck StarDust > MaNa TitaN < San Mvp > DIMAGA Happy > Dayshi LucifroN < BabyKnight sLivko > ghost of Stephano Tefel > ToD
Seems legit but I think you're underestimating the ghost of Stephano.
On August 14 2013 04:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: Ret < Starbuck StarDust > MaNa TitaN < San Mvp > DIMAGA Happy > Dayshi LucifroN < BabyKnight sLivko > ghost of Stephano Tefel > ToD
Yeah, pretty sure that's mostly how it'll go, I'd give Dayshi a shot and I think LucifroN could still beat Babyknight despite his weakness vs Protoss.
Still hoping for Titan > San, but then again, I like San, too. Conflicted!
On August 10 2013 09:27 Entirety wrote: Mvp's TvZ: 66% DIMAGA's ZvT: 48% Head to Head Record: 3-3 (50%) - DIMAGA 1-0 Mvp @ GSL Korea vs. World 2011 (WoL) - DIMAGA 2-0 Mvp @ WCS S1 2013 EU Ro32 Group Stage (Online) - Mvp 3-0 DIMAGA @ WCS S1 2013 EU Ro4
After a disappointing exit from WCS EU S2, the King looks to return to Premier League. Here is an interesting fact: throughout 2011 and 2012, there have been times where Mvp has fallen out of Code S, but he has only played in the Up & Downs exactly once (April 2011). Europe also has its version of the Up & Downs but Mvp will undoubtedly want to qualify for Premier League without complications: directly, through the Round of 16.
It's no secret that INnoVation has been terrorizing Soulkey and Polt just crushed Jaedong in WCS AM. It is clear that the metagame is favorable for Terran, but just how good is Mvp's TvZ?
Truth be told, it's hard to tell. I will say with confidence that Mvp does not win due to lucky Widow Mine shots - in fact, he is probably one of the most unlucky Terrans in that regard. However, his other skills are certainly up to par, as his games against Ret demonstrate. He won game 1 by simply out-multitasking Ret, while game 2 was won by early game Widow Mine drop strategies. Admittedly, that does not really tell us how he would fare in a "standard TvZ" (Biomine vs. Ling/Bling/Muta).
How good is Mvp's TvZ? With the memory of a disastrous 0-6 against Korean Zergs online fresh in our minds, the answer remains unclear. Despite this, his TvZ is still probably good enough to take care of business here.
On August 15 2013 01:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: Polish stream and its beautiful ui got left out of San vs Titan game 3? wtf
Was that stream with all data possible UI?
On August 15 2013 01:46 Entirety wrote: I really hope Mvp brings his A-game tonight, online is always a fickle bastard!
Well, DIMAGA is 2-0 against Mvp in online games (Ro32 lol). So i really hope for Mvp to pull through, as DIMAGA would have less problems getting through U&D.
Mvp's TvZ: 66% DIMAGA's ZvT: 48% Head to Head Record: 3-3 (50%) DIMAGA 1-0 Mvp @ GSL Korea vs. World 2011 (WoL) DIMAGA 2-0 Mvp @ WCS S1 2013 EU Ro32 Group Stage (Online) Mvp 3-0 DIMAGA @ WCS S1 2013 EU Ro4
On August 15 2013 01:45 Shellshock1122 wrote: Polish stream and its beautiful ui got left out of San vs Titan game 3? wtf
German stream got left out of the entire Ret-Starbuck series, so 1 game has to be acceptable.
Well.. the couch was empty when game 1 started.. maybe they should get ready in time ><
Yes, sure, I just found it amusing, that they sit there for half an our now and don´t do anything. Meanwhile TaKe is gone and TargA is trolling from his account. The whole house has fallen into anarchy.
Damn it, can't believe I missed game 2 and 3 due to a toilet session!!! Argh!!! Well, at least Starbuck managed to turn the set around! Go Starbuck!!! :D
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
Nah, Mista retired. He just meant European connection.
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
No, simply greece is part of Europe, and Europe did held once today. So we must find an Europe Holds pic. And since Greece is part of Europe, Picture from 300 (for example) can work too. EDIT: Dammit EDIT2: I hope Mvp does not sleep at the moment :S
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
No, simply greece is part of Europe, and Europe did held once today. So we must find an Europe Holds pic. And since Greece is part of Europe, Picture from 300 (for example) can work too. EDIT: Dammit EDIT2: I hope Mvp does not sleep at the moment :S
Ah, nvm. He meant Greece is in Europe, hence we may use 300 pictures. Sometimes my reading comprehension sucks...
On August 15 2013 02:19 graNite wrote: omg that ovi
Well, Mvp has lag, he could think that ovie was set to die, but then it was too late Once again: lag EDIT: and his 2-2 timing gonna hit around half a minute late
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
No, simply greece is part of Europe, and Europe did held once today. So we must find an Europe Holds pic. And since Greece is part of Europe, Picture from 300 (for example) can work too. EDIT: Dammit EDIT2: I hope Mvp does not sleep at the moment :S
Ah, nvm. He meant Greece is in Europe, hence we may use 300 pictures. Sometimes my reading comprehension sucks...
Why has twitch begun looking like shit on all qualities beginning a couple of months ago? It is near impossible to ever watch 1080p and the `+` qualities without steam lagging hard. 720p looks like the old 480p. Even during TI3 720 and 1080p+ looked like shit compared to tournaments several months ago. Did Twitch.tv change anything or is it just streamers lowering their bitrate/whatever?
On August 15 2013 02:36 stuchiu wrote: I hope Mvp does the smart thing and uses the medivac bomb instead of just HSMing DIMAGA's units in hopes DIMAGA won't split.
On August 15 2013 02:36 stuchiu wrote: I hope Mvp does the smart thing and uses the medivac bomb instead of just HSMing DIMAGA's units in hopes DIMAGA won't split.
i hope that dimaga counters the medivac bomb by using neural parasite and flying the medivac back.
On August 15 2013 02:38 Darkthorn wrote: dimaga should just go swarmhost spore and laugh when mvp gets frustrated cause dimaga turtles when he was doing the same.
On August 15 2013 02:36 stuchiu wrote: I hope Mvp does the smart thing and uses the medivac bomb instead of just HSMing DIMAGA's units in hopes DIMAGA won't split.
i hope that dimaga counters the medivac bomb by using neural parasite and flying the medivac back.
On August 15 2013 02:39 Everlong wrote: What the fuck happened to the game? I was so pumped for HotS seeing Flash vs Life games at Blizzcon (I think)...
On August 15 2013 01:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone must find Europe Holds picture ASAP. I think, since greece is part of europe, picture from 300 will work too.
Huh? Did I miss something? Is a greek player playing tonight?
No, simply greece is part of Europe, and Europe did held once today. So we must find an Europe Holds pic. And since Greece is part of Europe, Picture from 300 (for example) can work too. EDIT: Dammit EDIT2: I hope Mvp does not sleep at the moment :S
Ah, nvm. He meant Greece is in Europe, hence we may use 300 pictures. Sometimes my reading comprehension sucks...
On August 15 2013 02:39 Everlong wrote: What the fuck happened to the game? I was so pumped for HotS seeing Flash vs Life games at Blizzcon (I think)...
On August 15 2013 02:39 Everlong wrote: What the fuck happened to the game? I was so pumped for HotS seeing Flash vs Life games at Blizzcon (I think)...
Both Dimaga and MVP always loved to play these kind of games
On August 15 2013 02:36 stuchiu wrote: I hope Mvp does the smart thing and uses the medivac bomb instead of just HSMing DIMAGA's units in hopes DIMAGA won't split.
i hope that dimaga counters the medivac bomb by using neural parasite and flying the medivac back.
On August 15 2013 02:43 Entirety wrote: That game actually wasn't supposed to go on that long... the lag was really against Mvp here.
I really hope that Mvp will turn it around in games 2 and 3!
And if it wasn't lag it was jetlag. Or a bad mouse. Or a long network cable.
Sure he had lag, not denying that. But it is his choice to play from Korea in Europe. And imo it gets tiresome that pretty much every single time a non-Korean beats a Korean, it is always because of outside circumstances the Korean couldn't do anything about, and it is never because the non-Korean just played good.
On August 15 2013 02:36 stuchiu wrote: I hope Mvp does the smart thing and uses the medivac bomb instead of just HSMing DIMAGA's units in hopes DIMAGA won't split.
i hope that dimaga counters the medivac bomb by using neural parasite and flying the medivac back.
That would be the greatest thing of all time
I would love it too. Also, that Europe holds pic lacks photoshopped faces of players, who took games off koreans. EDIT: watched their statistics after game. Mvp with 280 APM, Dimaga with 220. Damn lag, they guy who hurts himself more still loses
On August 15 2013 02:43 Entirety wrote: That game actually wasn't supposed to go on that long... the lag was really against Mvp here.
I really hope that Mvp will turn it around in games 2 and 3!
And if it wasn't lag it was jetlag. Or a bad mouse. Or a long network cable.
Sure he had lag, not denying that. But it is his choice to play from Korea in Europe. And imo it gets tiresome that pretty much every single time a non-Korean beats a Korean, it is always because of outside circumstances the Korean couldn't do anything about, and it is never because the non-Korean just played good.
I agree that we shouldn't just dismiss foreigner accomplishments. However, if you saw those first 15 minutes, the lag was pretty much unplayable... the lag was ridiculous
so only startdst and mvp still has chance as korean to go trough ? tails, san, forgg, shuttle, genius ... wow europe why not doing so well in prem. league
On August 15 2013 02:59 Drake wrote: so only startdst and mvp still has chance as korean to go trough ? tails, san, forgg, shuttle, genius ... wow europe why not doing so well in prem. league
Well they did. In the offline groupstages every korean lost a series to a european. Welmu and Naniwa are the only players to only lose 1 series. They just lost it at the worst possible time.
On August 15 2013 03:00 GaliX wrote: wow MVPs micro was just amazing this game.
which micro? split your army 10 sec before zerg comes to attack, easiest fight thing in sc2.
Still more APM than zerg player as terran :D. Also, he did some on-the-fly splits. Not on creep though, you need MKP for that, and i need winner winning, not MKP.
On August 15 2013 02:59 Drake wrote: so only startdst and mvp still has chance as korean to go trough ? tails, san, forgg, shuttle, genius ... wow europe why not doing so well in prem. league
They can still get through in the group stage, which is where most of the Koreans advanced from last season.
Mvp is very good as always, but to me he seemed perhaps less so than usual. I can't remember last time I saw him play but I remember him having fantastic marine control. In the Belshir vestige game he seemed to often neglect splitting or moving his marines at all and was hit big many times with banelings. Is it Jürgen's wrist acting up?
On August 15 2013 03:16 diverzee wrote: Mvp is very good as always, but to me he seemed perhaps less so than usual. I can't remember last time I saw him play but I remember him having fantastic marine control. In the Belshir vestige game he seemed to often neglect splitting or moving his marines at all and was hit big many times with banelings. Is it Jürgen's wrist acting up?
On August 15 2013 03:14 Naphal wrote: phew and here i was worried after game 1...
Mvp fans know this all too well. He has a tendency to lose the first game only to come back stronger. I've lost count how many times he lost the first game only to stage a comeback. Sometimes I think he does this deliberately to give his fans heart attacks.
On August 15 2013 03:16 diverzee wrote: Mvp is very good as always, but to me he seemed perhaps less so than usual. I can't remember last time I saw him play but I remember him having fantastic marine control. In the Belshir vestige game he seemed to often neglect splitting or moving his marines at all and was hit big many times with banelings. Is it Jürgen's wrist acting up?
It's the Korea-Europe lag... I mean, you can still split and stuff, but I think Mvp doesn't bother, he just pre-splits and focuses his actions elsewhere.
On August 15 2013 03:16 diverzee wrote: Mvp is very good as always, but to me he seemed perhaps less so than usual. I can't remember last time I saw him play but I remember him having fantastic marine control. In the Belshir vestige game he seemed to often neglect splitting or moving his marines at all and was hit big many times with banelings. Is it Jürgen's wrist acting up?
It's the Korea-Europe lag... I mean, you can still split and stuff, but I think Mvp doesn't bother, he just pre-splits and focuses his actions elsewhere.
On August 15 2013 03:18 DJHelium wrote: How did game 3 play out?
Mvp goes in with 2 reapers 4 hellions and 2-4 hellbats with Medivacs and does cripping damage (kills off all of DIMAGA's slow lings). Then he followed up with Hellbat/Marauder push which killed off DIMAGA's upgrades and his 3rd base. DIMAGA tried a ling runby, was shut down by wall + 5 Hellbats.
DIMAGA got Roaches and pushed Mvp back but Mvp came back with a stronger force. DIMAGA tried Roach/Hydra, didn't do him any good. GG
On August 15 2013 03:16 diverzee wrote: Mvp is very good as always, but to me he seemed perhaps less so than usual. I can't remember last time I saw him play but I remember him having fantastic marine control. In the Belshir vestige game he seemed to often neglect splitting or moving his marines at all and was hit big many times with banelings. Is it Jürgen's wrist acting up?
It's the Korea-Europe lag... I mean, you can still split and stuff, but I think Mvp doesn't bother, he just pre-splits and focuses his actions elsewhere.
Oh, I understand. I guess that makes sense.
By the way, his wrist is still acting up. The spine condition does not go away overnight!
He has stated that it severely affects his practice. Also, he cannot register the feeling of his own clicks anymore - he relies on the sound of his clicks, not the sensation of clicking.
Dayshi managed to pull a slight economic lead but a failed doom drop set his army too behind, happy moves out and crushes him to take game one on star startion Empire.Happy 1-0 Mill.Dayshi
On August 15 2013 03:35 SayTT wrote: please Mana kill this no ballzer now! stardust wouldbe going out in the first round of premier anyway so might as well kick him down now.
...huh? So many things in that post don't make sense.
On August 15 2013 03:35 SayTT wrote: please Mana kill this no ballzer now! stardust wouldbe going out in the first round of premier anyway so might as well kick him down now.
On one hand, it is fun to see Mvp pulling off cute stunt like this, which has been trade mark of his play since 2012. OTOH, it does show that Mvp is no longer a fundamentally strong player that can win just by mechanics alone, even against foreigner. Sad!
On August 15 2013 03:37 painkilla wrote: On one hand, it is fun to see Mvp pulling off cute stunt like this, which has been trade mark of his play since 2012. OTOH, it does show that Mvp is no longer a fundamentally strong player that can win just by mechanics alone, even against foreigner. Sad!
When you have numerous health problems, it makes sense to be smart rather than mechanical.
On August 15 2013 03:35 SayTT wrote: please Mana kill this no ballzer now! stardust wouldbe going out in the first round of premier anyway so might as well kick him down now.
...huh? So many things in that post don't make sense.
Yeah, ignore it. SayTT is normally a civilized member of this forum, but whenever LucifroN or Stardust plays, he kinda has his own opinions.
On August 15 2013 03:37 painkilla wrote: On one hand, it is fun to see Mvp pulling off cute stunt like this, which has been trade mark of his play since 2012. OTOH, it does show that Mvp is no longer a fundamentally strong player that can win just by mechanics alone, even against foreigner. Sad!
He still has his good days where he seems to suddenly scale up to his opponents. I mean people have been saying this about him for more than a year now.
Even in HotS, he just barely lost to Bogus at the regionals after making it all the way to the semis.
On August 15 2013 03:37 painkilla wrote: On one hand, it is fun to see Mvp pulling off cute stunt like this, which has been trade mark of his play since 2012. OTOH, it does show that Mvp is no longer a fundamentally strong player that can win just by mechanics alone, even against foreigner. Sad!
When you have numerous health problems, it makes sense to be smart rather than mechanical.
I don't consider it a 'cute stunt'... it's more like, Mvp has an incredibly diverse playbook.
For TvZ, he can pull out...
11/11 CC first into 3OC 2Ebay Biomine Widow Mine drop (vs. Ret) Hellbat/Marauder Reaper/Hellion Cloak Banshee/Hellion Mech Bio with drops instead of the straight push Lategame turtle BC/Raven ...and more?
He didn't choose that hellbat/marauder strategy because he was forced to... he chose it because it was a strategy he could use and he felt like it would give him the highest chance of winning at that moment.
On August 15 2013 03:35 SayTT wrote: please Mana kill this no ballzer now! stardust wouldbe going out in the first round of premier anyway so might as well kick him down now.
...huh? So many things in that post don't make sense.
Yeah, ignore it. SayTT is normally a civilized member of this forum, but whenever LucifroN or Stardust plays, he kinda has his own opinions.
On August 15 2013 03:59 Noonius wrote: wtf was that, Mana?
Well, from what i understood from that engagement all archons from mana died to collosi + archons of StarDust, with splash from archons + stalkers actually killing tempests. Also StarDust was harassing on the side. Also, where is SayTT :D?
On August 15 2013 03:59 Noonius wrote: wtf was that, Mana?
Well, from what i understood from that engagement all archons from mana died to collosi + archons of StarDust, with splash from archons + stalkers actually killing tempests. Also StarDust was harassing on the side. Also, where is SayTT :D?
Yeah that's what it looked like to me. He won an engagement but the strikes to his back line was too deep and he was at half the probe count.
On August 15 2013 03:59 Noonius wrote: wtf was that, Mana?
Well, from what i understood from that engagement all archons from mana died to collosi + archons of StarDust, with splash from archons + stalkers actually killing tempests. Also StarDust was harassing on the side. Also, where is SayTT :D?
time to listen to "bridge over troubled waters" and do some crying.
Perhaps we should make a drinking game out of WCS flag mixups.
1 shot for wrong flag 2 for wrong country 3 for wrong country and wrong flag (IE, if I played being Canadian and they called me a USA player while giving me a UK flag. That sort of thing).
I hope ToD can pull out a win here. He is both a super good caster and a great player. It's also super nice cred for ESL to have a caster in their roster that can compete on premier division level.
it is so hard to watch progamers (zergs) avoiding to build spores when it is cheap and obvius solution to air units as prisms and m cores... tefel would save that hatch if he made spore after first harass on his third and running to his main
This ToD guy is pretty good at micro management, he should totally play an RTS game based all around those. Like say one set in the same universe as world of warcraft.
On August 15 2013 04:41 Fusilero wrote: This ToD guy is pretty good at micro management, he should totally play an RTS game based all around those. Like say one set in the same universe as world of warcraft.
On August 15 2013 04:41 Fusilero wrote: This ToD guy is pretty good at micro management, he should totally play an RTS game based all around those. Like say one set in the same universe as world of warcraft.
what about an ARTS like Dota?
ToD would be the best meepo ever. He has perfect Michael skills.
On August 15 2013 04:41 Fusilero wrote: This ToD guy is pretty good at micro management, he should totally play an RTS game based all around those. Like say one set in the same universe as world of warcraft.
what about an ARTS like Dota?
If only they could clone him 4 times or how many makes a dota team,
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
Yeah, exactly. StarDust would have balls in their opinion if he went for nexus first in games against mana :D
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
I will make a blog one day explaining it all. The #1 rule is that you only talk about the ball-less not worth talking about all ballz all the time you see.
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
I will make a blog one day explaining it all. The #1 rule is that you only talk about the ball-less not worth talking about all ballz all the time you see.
Rule #2 says that Rule #1 only applies to StarDust and Lucifron :D? EDIT: Also i recall David Kim saying that Red City is broken or something. Did he mean all those chokes under this or what? EDIT2: Meanwhile Lucifron going for 3rd OC already.
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
I will make a blog one day explaining it all. The #1 rule is that you only talk about the ball-less not worth talking about all ballz all the time you see.
I look forward to reading it.
And thanks to everyone who explained this... entertaining topic to me.
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
I will make a blog one day explaining it all. The #1 rule is that you only talk about the ball-less not worth talking about all ballz all the time you see.
Rule #2 says that Rule #1 only applies to StarDust and Lucifron :D?
Nah, there are more ball-less players. Rule #2 and the rest of it takes a long time to explain.
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
I will make a blog one day explaining it all. The #1 rule is that you only talk about the ball-less not worth talking about all ballz all the time you see.
Rule #2 says that Rule #1 only applies to StarDust and Lucifron :D? EDIT: Also i recall David Kim saying that Red City is broken or something. Did he mean all those chokes under this or what? EDIT2: Meanwhile Lucifron going for 3rd OC already.
EDIT3: Okay, give me hat to eat when Luci loses this game EDIT4: Phew
On August 15 2013 05:30 Mozdk wrote: Still don't like BK's attack. He hit at the most common Terran timing against Toss. If that is where they are strongest, why attack there?
His timing probably got wrecked by the reaper preasure.
To be fair, i thought that Lucifron won the moment he got 2 CCs straight from 2 rax reaper, while doing some kind of pinning BK to his base.
On August 15 2013 05:30 Mozdk wrote: Still don't like BK's attack. He hit at the most common Terran timing against Toss. If that is where they are strongest, why attack there?
His timing probably got wrecked by the reaper preasure.
It was atleast very strange. I mean Luci went very fast 3 cc and still had stim ready, just imagine how he'd have crushed the pressure if he had not gone fast 3rd
On August 15 2013 05:07 CikaZombi wrote: Babyknight has balls of steel this game.
How do balls work in SC2?
SD goes Colossi and has no balls, but Babyknight goes Colossi and then has massive testicles. Or was it the BO and not the colossus that decides a man?
Fast third with not enough gates and floating resources into sexy micro, hold, fast fourth base and surprise colossi that fried the army from high ground. It was a harmless comment I just enjoyed the pace of the game.
It's like ToD won with enough swag with that game against Tefel.
On August 15 2013 05:45 PigglyWinks wrote: Jesus, does Babyknight play with HP bars off? Those tasty 1 hp medivacs...
Wasn't that just medivacs with 0 energy? They have "don't show hp if at 100%" setting
Yeah, most likely - made the assumption when I saw stalkers with full hp bar but I guess their full HP shows if their shields aren't full? Very confusing setting nonetheless.
On August 15 2013 10:12 freerolll wrote: does this mean that the next WCS EU challenger qualifier will have 10 spots instead of the 8 or will they just let 2 players stay?
eh? Siw & Stephano will just drop out of challenger at the end of groups stage with 6 other players and next qualifiers will allow 8 new players to join
When do they release the upcoming group stage? Isn`t it a bit harsh for the players to not know by now if they are going to play today or any other day?
Nobody really knows when even the players doesn`t. I have often critized Naniwa for being bm about the ESL crew but right now i have to admit that this is poorly oganized.
Groups A and B should be today 18.00 and groups should be done by now. That was the latest information yesterday from admins and the stream producer
I'll agree with Showtime though, this schedule is a little bit too tight.. but of course they want to finish it before gamescom an give players time for travelling.
Thursday and Friday both groups start at 18:00. There are 2 groups of three here, so we will broadcast all matches where players can advance, meaning we will broadcast the groups with 4 players slightly differently as we will swap the winners/loser match order.
This means the main English broadcast will be along the lines of:
On August 15 2013 23:08 Boucot wrote: TLO and ForGG have their groups scheduled on the same dates as the ATC playoffs. I hope they will be able to play both tournaments.
Yeah, they will. Take has enough pcs to let them play their group stages.
On August 16 2013 00:20 Niko_Thien wrote: What is it with ESL and not getting their tourneys on the the TL calendar? :O
I dont think they have procedure who takes care of the community websites. And its likely to be apoint of confusions whose responsibility it would be .. is it Blizzard, is it ESL as organizer.. is it Gamesocial as outsourced stream producer?
I think we should call Redeye, he is the social media expert and a community website can be seen as such.
As for LR thread.. meh .. no volunteer? (im between work and getting home)
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