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Stop the balance whining please.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 12 2013 02:37 GMT
#3481
On August 12 2013 11:36 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.


lol, why is it called the kong award?

Kong means bean in Korean, and like a bean, there will always be a line involving a second, and in this case, a constant second-placer.


And here I was trying to draw a link between Marineking and King Kong


Honestly I thought it was because the first place was the King, so the second had to be the Kong.

Learn something new every day.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 12 2013 02:37 GMT
#3482
Yeah, he's busting
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3483
Gogogogogogo. 3hatch speedroach/speedbaneling bust!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3484
On August 12 2013 11:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] kr (Z)Jaedong vs. [image loading] kr (T)Polt
Game 4 (0-3)
Map: Derelict Watcher

0:00
Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
Polt spawns in the top right

2:00
hatch first for Jaedong
fast drone scout
CC first on the high ground for Polt
rax for Polt
gas for Polt

3:00
3rd hatch before Polt for Jaedong
gas for Jaedong
pool for Jaedong

4:00
bunker in the natural for Polt
factory for Polt
Polt scouts the 3rd base
ling speed for Jaedong
reactor for Polt

5:00
Polt lands his natural
2nd gas for Polt
Starport for Polt
reactored widow mine production started for Polt

6:00
3rd CC for Polt
medivac for Polt
spores started for Jaedong after scouting a naked starport building
another gas for Jaedong
marauder for Polt

7:00 62 vs 53
viking for Polt
3 mines loaded into the medivac of Polt
double ebay for Polt
double evo for Jaedong

8:00 69 vs 67
widow mine drop at the 3rd of Jaedong is deflected
stim research started for Polt
Polt kills an overlord and a few lings with his widow mines
1-1 started for Polt
1-1 started for Jaedong's lings
Lair for Jaedong
2 more rax for Polt

9:00 75 vs 76
baneling nest for Jaedong
2 more rax for Polt
Polt floating out his 3rd base
Roach warren for Jaedong
missile turret for Polt
armory for Polt

10:00 92 vs 93
widow mine blocking a potential 4th of Jaedong
marauder drop in the main of Jaedong is chased away
macro hatch for Jaedong
baneling speed for Jaedong
roach speed for Jaedong
Jaedong making a shitload of overlords to go up to 93/174 supply
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3485
Going to be a three base 1/1 Speed Roach/Speed Bane bust.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Zinthar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States394 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3486
On August 12 2013 11:37 pigmanbear wrote:
JD needs to make a roach some time.


He did in game 2... roaches are a horrible waste of resources vs. bio-mine play unless you're going for a roach-baneling bust.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3487
On August 12 2013 11:37 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:36 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.


lol, why is it called the kong award?

Kong means bean in Korean, and like a bean, there will always be a line involving a second, and in this case, a constant second-placer.


And here I was trying to draw a link between Marineking and King Kong


Honestly I thought it was because the first place was the King, so the second had to be the Kong.

Learn something new every day.


Isn't it because Yellow's nickname is Kong? A play on his looks and the fact that his name is Hong?
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Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3488
On August 12 2013 11:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:32 Shantastic wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:30 cosine wrote:
i love how people are balance whining, even though Polt pulled those same comebacks in the Lings of Liberty era. watch his games vs Stephano. he always bleeds SCVs but wins engagements. also, if you want to whine about tech levels: Polt was on T3 (medivacs) while JD was only investing in T1 ling/bane and T2 muta.

Medivacs are not T3... Marine/Mine/Medivac is just better than Muta/Ling/Bane, and with Polt's ridiculously good macro and battle mechanics, it's virtually impossible to tech up through his aggression.


Terran tiers are different than Zerg tiers.

Medivacs are technically tier 2.5 because they come from Starports (which are technically tier 3) yet can be reactored which puts them on a different tier than Ravens and BCs which require Tech Labs.

Thors are traditionally considered Tier 3, yet come from Factories (tier 2 structure) and are on the same tech requirement as Helbats which are considered by most to be tier 1.5 units.

Terran tech trees are strange and not linear AT ALL. Zerg is the only race with a straight linear tech tree.

The whole concept of "tiers" is stupid and irrelevant to StarCraft in that case. Medivacs require far less tech advancement than Mutas to make, and they're much more cost-efficient for their use. It's just how the races operate, but by default, Terran will almost always have Medivacs before Zerg has Mutas in a standard Ling-based ZvT. To argue that Terran had T3 while Zerg had only T1/2 is entirely irrelevant.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 12 2013 02:38 GMT
#3489
sick sense! 3 bunkers up for Polt!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3490
It's lovely how everyone assumed if people are confused by what just happened, they have to be the certain race that got pummeled. Sometimes it's terrans that are just as confused and wondering how Polt won that game.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3491
DUDE HOTS GETS BETTER AND BETTER! This is some high level insanity!
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3492
Jaedong has gone with a different strat in 4/4 games. Don't see that often from a Zerg.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3493
This attack is gonna fail terribly. grats Polt
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3494
This won't work that well, Polt faced HyuN too much.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3495
This is over
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3496
On August 12 2013 11:38 BigFan wrote:
sick sense! 3 bunkers up for Polt!


pretty sure he builds them everytime he faces an aggressive zerg
Zest fanboy.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 12 2013 02:39 GMT
#3497
Polt holy shit sickcity
(>'.')>
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 12 2013 02:40 GMT
#3498
On August 12 2013 11:38 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:37 Zambrah wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:36 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.


lol, why is it called the kong award?

Kong means bean in Korean, and like a bean, there will always be a line involving a second, and in this case, a constant second-placer.


And here I was trying to draw a link between Marineking and King Kong


Honestly I thought it was because the first place was the King, so the second had to be the Kong.

Learn something new every day.


Isn't it because Yellow's nickname is Kong? A play on his looks and the fact that his name is Hong?


I don't even know any more. T_T

I'm gonna choose to believe its everything all at once and that its actually just the perfect word for constant-2nd-placers, lol.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 12 2013 02:40 GMT
#3499
On August 12 2013 11:38 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:32 Shantastic wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:30 cosine wrote:
i love how people are balance whining, even though Polt pulled those same comebacks in the Lings of Liberty era. watch his games vs Stephano. he always bleeds SCVs but wins engagements. also, if you want to whine about tech levels: Polt was on T3 (medivacs) while JD was only investing in T1 ling/bane and T2 muta.

Medivacs are not T3... Marine/Mine/Medivac is just better than Muta/Ling/Bane, and with Polt's ridiculously good macro and battle mechanics, it's virtually impossible to tech up through his aggression.


Terran tiers are different than Zerg tiers.

Medivacs are technically tier 2.5 because they come from Starports (which are technically tier 3) yet can be reactored which puts them on a different tier than Ravens and BCs which require Tech Labs.

Thors are traditionally considered Tier 3, yet come from Factories (tier 2 structure) and are on the same tech requirement as Helbats which are considered by most to be tier 1.5 units.

Terran tech trees are strange and not linear AT ALL. Zerg is the only race with a straight linear tech tree.

The whole concept of "tiers" is stupid and irrelevant to StarCraft in that case. Medivacs require far less tech advancement than Mutas to make, and they're much more cost-efficient for their use. It's just how the races operate, but by default, Terran will almost always have Medivacs before Zerg has Mutas in a standard Ling-based ZvT. To argue that Terran had T3 while Zerg had only T1/2 is entirely irrelevant.


I agree with that conclusion. I was just posting to deflate some of this "Terran only uses tier 1 units" balance whine by explaining just how inaccurate that is.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Matta
Profile Joined July 2013
United States116 Posts
August 12 2013 02:40 GMT
#3500
good job jaedong
"I can just get completely fucked in every way, but I can just Widow Mine my way out of it." egxeno
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