• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:19
CEST 12:19
KST 19:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup3StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)64Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2314
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Awesome/Confusing SC2 BM SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BSL Season 23 Bot on ladder ASL22 General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S22 Ro. 8 Review
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11980 users

[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 174

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 172 173 174 175 176 205 Next
Stop the balance whining please.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27448 Posts
August 12 2013 02:34 GMT
#3461
This map is a lot less chokey, and I've seen JD play some impressive ZvT on it iirc. Hope he can pull a set back!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 12 2013 02:34 GMT
#3462
On August 12 2013 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.


lol, why is it called the kong award?


Once there was a man named Hong, who would always get 2nd place in Starleague and win special events. Eventually, Hong became Kong, and today, many a progamer honor his legacy. Yellow
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 12 2013 02:34 GMT
#3463
isn't jaedong suppose to be godly with ZvT?
What the hell is going on?
moo...for DRG
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 12 2013 02:34 GMT
#3464
On August 12 2013 11:32 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:30 cosine wrote:
i love how people are balance whining, even though Polt pulled those same comebacks in the Lings of Liberty era. watch his games vs Stephano. he always bleeds SCVs but wins engagements. also, if you want to whine about tech levels: Polt was on T3 (medivacs) while JD was only investing in T1 ling/bane and T2 muta.

Medivacs are not T3... Marine/Mine/Medivac is just better than Muta/Ling/Bane, and with Polt's ridiculously good macro and battle mechanics, it's virtually impossible to tech up through his aggression.


Terran tiers are different than Zerg tiers.

Medivacs are technically tier 2.5 because they come from Starports (which are technically tier 3) yet can be reactored which puts them on a different tier than Ravens and BCs which require Tech Labs.

Thors are traditionally considered Tier 3, yet come from Factories (tier 2 structure) and are on the same tech requirement as Helbats which are considered by most to be tier 1.5 units.

Terran tech trees are strange and not linear AT ALL. Zerg is the only race with a straight linear tech tree.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
August 12 2013 02:34 GMT
#3465
On August 12 2013 11:31 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:29 Shantastic wrote:
I invite any of you to try getting 5-6 Ultralisks out while under constant 3base attacks by a Marine/Medivac/Mine army. I doubt Jaedong had both money and idle larvae for Ultras at any point in that mid-game.

With 2k gas it shouldn't be that hard.


Your money actually doesn't matter when you're spending all your larvae on Lings to hold off the endless onslaught of MULE-powered bio.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3466
On August 12 2013 11:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] kr (Z)Jaedong vs. [image loading] kr (T)Polt
Game 4 (0-3)
Map: Derelict Watcher

0:00
Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
Polt spawns in the top right

2:00
hatch first for Jaedong
fast drone scout
CC first on the high ground for Polt
rax for Polt
gas for Polt

3:00
3rd hatch before Polt for Jaedong
gas for Jaedong
pool for Jaedong

4:00
bunker in the natural for Polt
factory for Polt
Polt scouts the 3rd base
ling speed for Jaedong
reactor for Polt

5:00
Polt lands his natural
2nd gas for Polt
Starport for Polt
reactored widow mine production started for Polt
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3467
On August 12 2013 11:32 GudulesmSC2 wrote:
I like how salty zergs totally disregard the importance of mines (Tier2) and medivacs (Tier3) in biomine play and just complain about Tier1 3/3 Marines.

JD overmade mutas, didn't take advantage of his lead and suicided his army on a choke, with no flank whatsoever. He didn't play perfectly, and Polt's aggression play, very dangerous both for JD and himself made him come back in this game.


T3 medivacs? no... These tier things are a joke anyway.
As a terran I did feel a bit guilty seeing jaedong lose this. His play was amazing for 95% of the game. The deciding engagement where he had a big lead but down on upgrades went so badly for him though, didnt seem to have enough banelings and all his army didnt engage at once. One mistake vs 3-3 marines and he died.

Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3468
need more derpy banelings
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3469
On August 12 2013 11:31 mbsupermario wrote:
TvZ is why I quit playing SC2... call me bad if you'd like, but there's nothing more frustrating than winning engagement after engagement and losing so convincingly once terran gets 3/3


I'm not gonna call you bad since I'm probably worse, but you're not winning engagements if you trade bad. You just think that you win because you clean it up when in reality you trade badly, just so you know.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3470
On August 12 2013 11:32 tylerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.

Thanks for the reminder

lol, Jaedongs won five starleagues. Associating him with kong anything is silly
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3471
I rarely root for zerg and balance whine is never nice but After these two last games I cant help but feel a little bit of sympathy for the zergs and the whine.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3472
On August 12 2013 11:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:
isn't jaedong suppose to be godly with ZvT?
What the hell is going on?


He is far from godly in ZvT. I have seen a lot better.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3473
On August 12 2013 11:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:
isn't jaedong suppose to be godly with ZvT?
What the hell is going on?


What is a god to Polt.
Moderator
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3474
On August 12 2013 11:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:32 Shantastic wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:30 cosine wrote:
i love how people are balance whining, even though Polt pulled those same comebacks in the Lings of Liberty era. watch his games vs Stephano. he always bleeds SCVs but wins engagements. also, if you want to whine about tech levels: Polt was on T3 (medivacs) while JD was only investing in T1 ling/bane and T2 muta.

Medivacs are not T3... Marine/Mine/Medivac is just better than Muta/Ling/Bane, and with Polt's ridiculously good macro and battle mechanics, it's virtually impossible to tech up through his aggression.


Terran tiers are different than Zerg tiers.

Medivacs are technically tier 2.5 because they come from Starports (which are technically tier 3) yet can be reactored which puts them on a different tier than Ravens and BCs which require Tech Labs.

Thors are traditionally considered Tier 3, yet come from Factories (tier 2 structure) and are on the same tech requirement as Helbats which are considered by most to be tier 1.5 units.

Terran tech trees are strange and not linear AT ALL. Zerg is the only race with a straight linear tech tree.


Imho t3 terran is more having 3/3 upgrades when playing bio
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 12 2013 02:35 GMT
#3475
On August 12 2013 11:31 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:30 Hryul wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:28 Faust852 wrote:
This LR threads used to be moderated about balance whine

i would report the hell out of them but even a "drink bleach" post didn't yield a warning. i think they abandoned us

It's basically twitch chat lite.

twitch chat is like the deepweb: heard of it, never been there, kill it with fire!
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
August 12 2013 02:36 GMT
#3476
On August 12 2013 11:33 HazMat wrote:
These threads are so sad lol. Every race complains about the other. Sc2 won't grow if you whiners don't grow up as well.


But if they grow up they may start complaining about other things... like political parties.

And nobody wants that.

+ Show Spoiler +
Growing up just means you whine about different crap, not that you stop whining, for at least 95% of the human race. (p=.0005)
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
August 12 2013 02:36 GMT
#3477
On August 12 2013 11:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.


lol, why is it called the kong award?

Kong means bean in Korean, and like a bean, there will always be a line involving a second, and in this case, a constant second-placer.


And here I was trying to draw a link between Marineking and King Kong
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
August 12 2013 02:37 GMT
#3478
On August 12 2013 11:35 n.DieJokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:32 tylerf wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:29 Fionn wrote:
If Jaedong loses, he joins elite company in SC2 Kongverse. Losing three premiere tournaments: MKP, Alicia, Symbol and Squirtle.

The Kong Five.

Thanks for the reminder

lol, Jaedongs won five starleagues. Associating him with kong anything is silly

He is about to be between the greatest sc2 kongs if Polt continues to play like this.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
August 12 2013 02:37 GMT
#3479
JD needs to make a roach some time.
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
August 12 2013 02:37 GMT
#3480
On August 12 2013 11:34 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:32 Shantastic wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:30 cosine wrote:
i love how people are balance whining, even though Polt pulled those same comebacks in the Lings of Liberty era. watch his games vs Stephano. he always bleeds SCVs but wins engagements. also, if you want to whine about tech levels: Polt was on T3 (medivacs) while JD was only investing in T1 ling/bane and T2 muta.

Medivacs are not T3... Marine/Mine/Medivac is just better than Muta/Ling/Bane, and with Polt's ridiculously good macro and battle mechanics, it's virtually impossible to tech up through his aggression.


Terran tiers are different than Zerg tiers.

Medivacs are technically tier 2.5 because they come from Starports (which are technically tier 3) yet can be reactored which puts them on a different tier than Ravens and BCs which require Tech Labs.

Thors are traditionally considered Tier 3, yet come from Factories (tier 2 structure) and are on the same tech requirement as Helbats which are considered by most to be tier 1.5 units.

Terran tech trees are strange and not linear AT ALL. Zerg is the only race with a straight linear tech tree.


Agree, I think it's equally difficult to assign tiers to both T, P is somewhat easier, and Z easiest obviously.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
Prev 1 172 173 174 175 176 205 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
19:00
Sea Duckling Open #150 (SHIN Mod Edition)
CranKy Ducklings21
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech82
StarCraft: Brood War
Mind 1138
Bisu 916
Hyuk 841
Larva 628
Leta 168
Sexy 135
Zeus 117
EffOrt 112
PianO 94
Soma 94
[ Show more ]
Mini 93
Pusan 65
ZerO 43
Killer 41
Last 38
ToSsGirL 35
sorry 32
Bale 26
Hm[arnc] 23
Trap 20
yabsab 18
JulyZerg 8
Noble 8
Dota 2
XcaliburYe434
XaKoH 312
League of Legends
JimRising 320
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor1341
Other Games
gofns31922
singsing1660
crisheroes214
OGKoka 197
Mew2King138
ArmadaUGS58
ZerO(Twitch)4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick574
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream189
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 55
• LUISG 18
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 7079
• lizZardDota2267
League of Legends
• Jankos1333
• Stunt909
Upcoming Events
Online Event
42m
FEL
5h 42m
AI Arena Tournament
6h 42m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
8h 42m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
23h 42m
INu's Battles
1d 1h
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 8h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
Rush vs Light
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
3 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.