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Stop the balance whining please.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
August 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#3201
On August 12 2013 11:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:11 packrat386 wrote:
Fan favorite player is losing? Bring on the balance whine.

Polt's winning check the score man?

Like Faust said. JD has a lot of fans.
dreaming of a sunny day
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#3202
On August 12 2013 11:13 Brian333 wrote:


Artosis... please save Jaedong from being Jaekong.

[image loading]


ssshhh, don't bring this here !!
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#3203
On August 12 2013 11:12 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.

So much math going on in your post, it's undeniable!

Math==Gary Oak's girth
jjakji fan
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 02:14:14
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3204
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2013 11:13 Brian333 wrote:
https://twitter.com/Artosis/status/366606476845907969

Artosis... please save Jaedong from being Jaekong.

[image loading]



Jaedong, the next person in the Kong line? :O
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3205
Artosis... harness your powers... save the Dong. make an official prediction!

(>'.')>
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3206
On August 12 2013 11:12 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:11 slowbacontron wrote:
From the Ro16 on, Polt has lost 2 maps total :O (right???)


He's only dropped maps to Taeja the entire tournament.


The reverse would also be true if not for that weird base race game vs Macsed.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3207
Poor drone. First hide 2 minutes behind mineral line and then get killed.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3208
On August 12 2013 11:11 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.


The mines are not the issue, when are people finally going to open there eyes and see that it's the bio?

The mine hits, sure whatever and mines are actually useless for mech, but bio has and probably always will be terribly over efficient because of the game being designed around it.

The mine gets nerfed and nothing changes, bio will still be too good.


Blame mules and scans. Mules means more bio, scans can't be killed (unlike overseers) nullifying bane landmines.
STX Fighting!
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
August 12 2013 02:14 GMT
#3209
On August 12 2013 11:11 jubil wrote:
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On August 12 2013 11:06 TyrantPotato wrote:
could some zerg player please explain to me (honest question)

how do you out perform MmMm?


I think kodas summed up the issue in that game quite well.
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:07 kodas wrote:
Can't believe JD let his macro slip that badly, 1.5/1 k resources without banking for tech? I think he might have been out of larva though.


Also, I think a lot of it is similar to WoL ZvT except that zerg micro has to be more crisp: mutas need to dodge mines when harassing, and instead of just needing good positioning with Brood Lords, with ultras you need good micro to hit your fungals or flank with your zerglings so the ultras can do their damage.


This is the problem, with hatch snipes etc, larvae becomes the prevailing problem, and indeed the prevailing resource throughout the game. When no larvae, or limited larvae is available, minerals and gas WILL stockpile and there is nothing you can do about it vs a good T or P who snipes your hatches.

Also, biomine is very very efficient, and in the hands of someone like Polt or Innovation, borderline unstoppable. I love Polt, but this is a bit hard to watch him tearing JD into shreds. Not easy to assess for Blizz for the future that's for sure.
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
August 12 2013 02:15 GMT
#3210
On August 12 2013 11:14 Weavel wrote:
Poor drone. First hide 2 minutes behind mineral line and then get killed.

picked exactly the wrong moment lol
Matta
Profile Joined July 2013
United States116 Posts
August 12 2013 02:15 GMT
#3211
jaedong's gonna hit polt hard with those mutas
"I can just get completely fucked in every way, but I can just Widow Mine my way out of it." egxeno
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
August 12 2013 02:15 GMT
#3212
Zerg needs an efficient unit that doesn't need to be massed to be effective in Lotv. Lurker was such a unit in BW.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 12 2013 02:15 GMT
#3213
thanks for people actually answering, im half doing uni work so i cant pay attention to everything.

but koda pointing out 1.5k resource floating? idk might be tilt.
Forever ZeNEX.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 02:16:20
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3214
On August 12 2013 11:14 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:11 Qikz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.


The mines are not the issue, when are people finally going to open there eyes and see that it's the bio?

The mine hits, sure whatever and mines are actually useless for mech, but bio has and probably always will be terribly over efficient because of the game being designed around it.

The mine gets nerfed and nothing changes, bio will still be too good.


Blame mules and scans. Mules means more bio, scans can't be killed (unlike overseers) nullifying bane landmines.


No, don't blame mules and scans, blame the real issue. Bio. Bio being as good as it is kills all hope of ever having diverse Terran matchups.
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3215
polt is a terran player who i can root for
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7312 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3216
Okay, I think Ling/Bling/Muta will be more to Jaedong's benefit here... he can do this. He can do this.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3217
On August 12 2013 11:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] kr (Z)Jaedong vs. [image loading] kr (T)Polt
Game 3 (0-2)
Map: Neo Planet S

0:00
Jaedong spawns in the top right
Polt spawns in the bottom left

1:40
rax first for Polt
gas for Polt

2:00
Hatch first for Jaedong
pool for Jaedong
reaper for Polt

3:00
2nd reaper for Polt
CC on the low ground for Polt

4:00
Factory for Polt
reactor for Polt
1st reaper kiting lings
queens spawn and chase the reaper away

5:00
double gas for Jaedong
Starport for Polt
reactored hellion production started for Polt
2nd gas for Polt

6:00
lair for Jaedong
viking for Polt
reapers and hellions poking at the natural but are pushed back by queens
ling speed for Jaedong
2 more gas for Jaedong
spine in the natural for Jaedong
marauder for Polt
Polt scouts no 3rd yet

7:00 59 vs 55
stim research started for Polt
widow mines started for Polt
viking starting to kil overlords
evo wall in from Jaedong in his natural
Polt scouts the wall in

8:00 67 vs 66
3rd of Jaedong is denied by a helion
spire for Jaedong
3rd CC for Polt
medivac for Polt
3rd for Jaedong
Polt loses his hellions and reapers to lings
double ebay for Polt

9:00 67 vs 71
4 more rax for Polt
mutas started for Jaedong
+1 flier attack for Jaedong
1-1 started for Polt
marauder drop at the 3rd of Jaedong
mutas move in to defend the drop

10:00 88 vs 80
missile turrets started for Polt
marauder drop and medivac as well as the viking are cleaned up
4th base for Jaedong
1-1 ling upgrades started for Jaedong
combat shields for Polt
mutas moving across the map
mutas take a hit from a widow mine
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3218
On August 12 2013 11:14 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:11 Qikz wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.


The mines are not the issue, when are people finally going to open there eyes and see that it's the bio?

The mine hits, sure whatever and mines are actually useless for mech, but bio has and probably always will be terribly over efficient because of the game being designed around it.

The mine gets nerfed and nothing changes, bio will still be too good.


Blame mules and scans. Mules means more bio, scans can't be killed (unlike overseers) nullifying bane landmines.


Scan early in the game is a gamble because you can only use one and it may be terrible if it happens that you scout anything.
Matta
Profile Joined July 2013
United States116 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3219
god i love watching the physics of dead ling carcasses
"I can just get completely fucked in every way, but I can just Widow Mine my way out of it." egxeno
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
August 12 2013 02:16 GMT
#3220
On August 12 2013 11:15 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Zerg needs an efficient unit that doesn't need to be massed to be effective in Lotv. Lurker was such a unit in BW.


Technically banelings fit that bill.
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