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Stop the balance whining please.
Matta
Profile Joined July 2013
United States116 Posts
August 12 2013 02:10 GMT
#3181
the hamburger zerg
"I can just get completely fucked in every way, but I can just Widow Mine my way out of it." egxeno
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
August 12 2013 02:10 GMT
#3182
On August 12 2013 11:10 Matta wrote:
the hamburger zerg
Not quite as menacing nicename as the tyrant
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2013 02:10 GMT
#3183
On August 12 2013 11:09 Weavel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.
They do friendly fire though. Unlike banelings.


In a lot of high level games, mines are used by the zerg to do FF, it happens a lot.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3184
Fan favorite player is losing? Bring on the balance whine.
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Megapenthes
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom202 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3185
Pizza, America... Hmmm I feel like maybe pizza is from somewhere else...
Polt, Jangbi, Hyun
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3186
On August 12 2013 11:11 packrat386 wrote:
Fan favorite player is losing? Bring on the balance whine.

Polt's winning check the score man?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3187
On August 12 2013 11:08 RaFox17 wrote:
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On August 12 2013 11:07 Rhaegal wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:06 Faust852 wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:04 below66 wrote:
it's a shame low eco will always favor terran in these situations, with the mules and fast medivac boosting.


Really a shame...
Dude it's an assymetric game, zerg are favored when high eco.



Come visit the designated balance thread. You will soon discover that Zerg is apparently a severe underdog at all stages of the game.

Was there a point where JD had an advantage that gave him the chance to win?


when polt couldn't stablish a forward position by the JD's 4th, with his ultras about to hatch he decided to instead counter attack (which will cause 0 terrans to leave the front) and ended up with his 4th dead and like 4 ? scvs killed
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3188
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.


The mines are not the issue, when are people finally going to open there eyes and see that it's the bio?

The mine hits, sure whatever and mines are actually useless for mech, but bio has and probably always will be terribly over efficient because of the game being designed around it.

The mine gets nerfed and nothing changes, bio will still be too good.
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Amaril
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany105 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3189
3 things I think of: Fat People, Fastfood and hated by the rest of the world.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3190
On August 12 2013 11:06 TyrantPotato wrote:
could some zerg player please explain to me (honest question)

how do you out perform MmMm?


I think kodas summed up the issue in that game quite well.
On August 12 2013 11:07 kodas wrote:
Can't believe JD let his macro slip that badly, 1.5/1 k resources without banking for tech? I think he might have been out of larva though.


Also, I think a lot of it is similar to WoL ZvT except that zerg micro has to be more crisp: mutas need to dodge mines when harassing, and instead of just needing good positioning with Brood Lords, with ultras you need good micro to hit your fungals or flank with your zerglings so the ultras can do their damage.
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 12 2013 02:11 GMT
#3191
From the Ro16 on, Polt has lost 2 maps total :O (right???)
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3192
On August 12 2013 11:07 veKtory wrote:
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On August 12 2013 11:06 TyrantPotato wrote:
could some zerg player please explain to me (honest question)

how do you out perform MmMm?


Have a better ECON, you'll never be more cost efficient than Bio mine.


you can't have a better econ than Terran. You'd have to have 80-100 drones just to have equal economy.

What you have to do against biomine is the same every player of every race has ever done in any game vs a biostyle. Deathball it up and try to win in one big engagement. If you play aggressive like Jaedong you are going to skirmish a lot, which plays in the hands of bio.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 02:13:07
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3193
On August 12 2013 11:09 scaban84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:07 BigFan wrote:
man, even I could feel Jaedong's frustrated there. Those widow mine hits, especially that one at the reconstructed 3rd was just crazy efficient. It allows Polt to take down many sings and Jaedong retreats a bit so his units managed to get healed up etc... Starting to wonder if biomine is a bit too efficient :/

Mines are just too efficient period. The fact that they cost almost as much as a baneling. Multi-use. active target. You can't ignore the math.

So much math going on in your post, it's undeniable!

On August 12 2013 11:12 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:07 veKtory wrote:
On August 12 2013 11:06 TyrantPotato wrote:
could some zerg player please explain to me (honest question)

how do you out perform MmMm?


Have a better ECON, you'll never be more cost efficient than Bio mine.


you can't have a better econ than Terran.

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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3194
On August 12 2013 11:11 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On August 12 2013 11:11 packrat386 wrote:
Fan favorite player is losing? Bring on the balance whine.

Polt's winning check the score man?


I think he talks about zergs fan of JD complaining about balance in the LR.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3195
On August 12 2013 11:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] kr (Z)Jaedong vs. [image loading] kr (T)Polt
Game 3 (0-2)
Map: Neo Planet S

0:00
Jaedong spawns in the top right
Polt spawns in the bottom left

1:40
rax first for Polt
gas for Polt

2:00
Hatch first for Jaedong
pool for Jaedong
reaper for Polt

3:00
2nd reaper for Polt
CC on the low ground for Polt

4:00
Factory for Polt
reactor for Polt
1st reaper kiting lings
queens spawn and chase the reaper away

5:00
double gas for Jaedong
Starport for Polt
reactored hellion production started for Polt
2nd gas for Polt
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3196
On August 12 2013 11:11 packrat386 wrote:
Fan favorite player is losing? Bring on the balance whine.

but the math never lies!!! >.<
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3197
On August 12 2013 11:08 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 11:06 TyrantPotato wrote:
could some zerg player please explain to me (honest question)

how do you out perform MmMm?


You don't. You got to prevent his stream of units before it hit its peak. Some Zerg just play a Roach/Bane all in every game, others try some weird non-stop Ling/BLing aggression. But I haven't seen a Zerg winnig once the Terran really established enough eco to start his attacks in quite some time.

check out some of soulkey's games. Innovation is a much more aggressive and a better multitasker than Polt but Soulkey stopped him in his tracks.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 12 2013 02:12 GMT
#3198
On August 12 2013 11:11 slowbacontron wrote:
From the Ro16 on, Polt has lost 2 maps total :O (right???)


He's only dropped maps to Taeja the entire tournament.
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Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
August 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#3199


Artosis... please save Jaedong from being Jaekong.

[image loading]
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
August 12 2013 02:13 GMT
#3200
One more game Polt!
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