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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
August 03 2013 17:21 GMT
#1101
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
August 03 2013 17:21 GMT
#1102
On August 04 2013 02:14 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
thats how my tvp's feel like lately too. Its so hard to defend protoss harass because you dont have any ground defense that doesnt cost supply except planetaries.. basically you need planetaries in your main, at your natural, behind your mineral lines... i want terran cannons... you can always circumvent turrets or just walk there... you really need the planetary upgrades i guess.

I dunno.. you cannot commit too much supply everywhere because then your main engagement snowballs so much if it is a little off balance...

I feel helpless

Agree, but Protoss harasses with supply as well


not to mention, protoss only defends harrass with supply as well
i dont get the compaint

if i spend 10 supply on harrass, itd be nice if you have to spend 10 supply to defend, when in all actuality a planetary with a bunker wiith a few marines in it and repair will work against most zealot runby's.

i hate leaving HT's all over the map, we all got things that peeve us
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 03 2013 17:21 GMT
#1103
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


Guess why :X
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 03 2013 17:21 GMT
#1104
Or you know, control your terran lategame army well and don't run through every storm.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1105
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


quick third base off templar tech only is a gamble. period.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
xyzz
Profile Joined January 2012
567 Posts
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1106
On August 04 2013 02:21 herMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
TvP is kind of similar to PvZ in WoL. Kill them before they get to ultimate army comp or die trying.


That's how it's always been.

Similar to PvZ then? 2 base all in or bust.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 17:22:18
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1107
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


He just hit a good timing and the distance between main and third makes it hard to defend
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1108
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


Fast 3rd CC went unpunished, then Taeja hit a good timing
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1109
On August 04 2013 02:21 herMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
TvP is kind of similar to PvZ in WoL. Kill them before they get to ultimate army comp or die trying.


That's how it's always been.


I feel the problem has been exacerbated by MSC.
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
August 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#1110
On August 04 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Or you know, control your terran lategame army well and don't run through every storm.

And disregard years of honored tradition? Never!
datouch
Profile Joined September 2012
Thailand59 Posts
August 03 2013 17:23 GMT
#1111
On August 04 2013 02:22 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


Fast 3rd CC went unpunished, then Taeja hit a good timing

plus a little more storm dodging and army split after no split for the whole tournament
DRG TaeJa Maru Mvp HerO
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
August 03 2013 17:24 GMT
#1112
On August 04 2013 02:22 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:21 herMan wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
TvP is kind of similar to PvZ in WoL. Kill them before they get to ultimate army comp or die trying.


That's how it's always been.


I feel the problem has been exacerbated by MSC.


how so? It does serve the purpose to get to that deathball a bit faster, because you can be more greedy, but that does not change the dynamic overall I feel.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
August 03 2013 17:24 GMT
#1113
lol
terrans are starting to show up to bring forth the old 'protoss impossible to beat lategame' argument
The MU is tied 2/2, and to be honest, Taeja's victories were far easier to do than Alicias.
After the previous game, this game didn't even look like the same players.
How can this MU show you terrans that Toss is op. i dont get it
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 03 2013 17:24 GMT
#1114
On August 04 2013 02:23 datouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:22 Bagration wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:21 maartendq wrote:
That last game looked insanely one-sided, especially after the previous one.


Fast 3rd CC went unpunished, then Taeja hit a good timing

plus a little more storm dodging and army split after no split for the whole tournament


Alicia shouldn't have engaged in the wide open like that either. Not enough forces to cover that much area
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
August 03 2013 17:25 GMT
#1115
On August 04 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Or you know, control your terran lategame army well and don't run through every storm.


The problem is that in the late game, chargelot harass is basically free, just look at the game between him and Happy.. he wasted at least 6-7 waves of chargelots before he actually did damage. Also, they can harass by themselves and don't require a lot of micro because they are incredibly beefy.

So in such scenario terran needs to stop the chargelots and carefully control the army at front.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-03 17:25:44
August 03 2013 17:25 GMT
#1116
On August 04 2013 02:24 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:22 stuchiu wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:21 herMan wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
TvP is kind of similar to PvZ in WoL. Kill them before they get to ultimate army comp or die trying.


That's how it's always been.


I feel the problem has been exacerbated by MSC.


how so? It does serve the purpose to get to that deathball a bit faster, because you can be more greedy, but that does not change the dynamic overall I feel.


P scales way more than T bio with upgrades and it allows faster upgrades.
Zest fanboy.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#1117
On August 04 2013 02:07 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:04 Evenshade wrote:
I wish there was a Youtube or Azubu stream for this. Unwatchable twitch..


tried youtube for first time today with SPL finals (as always twitch was terrible).... and LOVED IT.

I hope tournament organizers always use youtube from now on as a second option!


i just read here that you need 100 subscribers to get a stream channel, should be easy for the tournament organizers
that would be so great!!
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#1118
On August 04 2013 02:24 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:22 stuchiu wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:21 herMan wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:20 stuchiu wrote:
TvP is kind of similar to PvZ in WoL. Kill them before they get to ultimate army comp or die trying.


That's how it's always been.


I feel the problem has been exacerbated by MSC.


how so? It does serve the purpose to get to that deathball a bit faster, because you can be more greedy, but that does not change the dynamic overall I feel.


In WoL, Terran had a lot more aggressive options without MSC. Marine run bys, hellion run bys, medivac drops did more damage. Overall, Protoss was forced to get out more basic gateway units to defend. As it is now, they need about hlaf the gateway units and MSC to cover 2 bases, whereas in the pas they would need 2 cannons and double the gateway units to hold.

With none of the pre 10 minute aggression doing much anymore, everything comes down to that medivac drop timing or random mass bio timing that Bomber does. But even then, the Time Warp is extremely strong against all mid-game aggression.

Of course, I have no hard data. It's just a feeling I have after seeing a lot of PvT's go late game.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#1119
On August 04 2013 02:21 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 02:14 M2 wrote:
On August 04 2013 02:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
thats how my tvp's feel like lately too. Its so hard to defend protoss harass because you dont have any ground defense that doesnt cost supply except planetaries.. basically you need planetaries in your main, at your natural, behind your mineral lines... i want terran cannons... you can always circumvent turrets or just walk there... you really need the planetary upgrades i guess.

I dunno.. you cannot commit too much supply everywhere because then your main engagement snowballs so much if it is a little off balance...

I feel helpless

Agree, but Protoss harasses with supply as well


not to mention, protoss only defends harrass with supply as well
i dont get the compaint

if i spend 10 supply on harrass, itd be nice if you have to spend 10 supply to defend, when in all actuality a planetary with a bunker wiith a few marines in it and repair will work against most zealot runby's.

i hate leaving HT's all over the map, we all got things that peeve us


Protoss cannot be caught ultimatively out of position if you have a mothershipcore with your army. You could recall, either way if you leave it at home, you'll have a photon overcharge. While I agree that Protoss does defend with supply partly the cost effiecency of their defence is amazing.

1 High templar with 2 cannons can potentially (full energy) feedback 4 medivacs or feedback twice and storm. This is severe damage, not to mention that you can 'summon' units anywhere you got a pylon or warpprism and simply denying all that isn't possible.

Also the Terran army needs to be together, as its not as supply-efficient.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
August 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#1120
On August 04 2013 02:24 ohampatu wrote:
lol
terrans are starting to show up to bring forth the old 'protoss impossible to beat lategame' argument
The MU is tied 2/2, and to be honest, Taeja's victories were far easier to do than Alicias.
After the previous game, this game didn't even look like the same players.
How can this MU show you terrans that Toss is op. i dont get it


Dude. You're the guy who said 1 gate expands are not working against Terran who are agressive.
Nobody is crying that toss is op. It's just a bit shitty that the dynamic of the MU is like that.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
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