On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
They still could have played the team kill games first in each group like was suggested earlier by another forum regular though.
The schedule would have been known ahead of time (unless people swapped teams at a ridiculous time) and the format wouldn't even need to be changed.
I think it was an oversight.
Yeah they should definitely have played those team kills first
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
I actually like the OSL format - the Ro16 part anyway. It's nice to have a variation of format occasionally and the WCS point gains means that the games are never truly pointless (unintentional pun).
The team kill 'throw' situation is not the fault of the format - it's the fault of the organizers.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
What? I didn't say it wasn't bad. I am only explaining why they stick with this format. One of the reasons is because of their schedule. They want to fill it, even if it means stupid games. I'd also prefer the GSL format, but I can understand why the OSL insist on sticking with this. I agree that it isn't a 'good enough' reason, but it is what it is.
On July 17 2013 00:42 Daswollvieh wrote: Can´t you have a reliable schedule using GSL format? I mean, since there can be no ties, it should even be more reliable, shouldn´t it?
1vs2 3vs4 WvsW LvsL WvsL done, and always 5 games/series. And you could play it on different days like in OSL as well.
That's 5 game days versus 6 game days. I suppose if they could reorganize their sched to be fine with 5 game days, it could work. But I'm sure they want to maximize exposure and profit from the games. Like I said, they are not going with what is optimal. They are sticking with what gets them the most profit and ends up being easier to schedule.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
What? I didn't say it wasn't bad. I am only explaining why they stick with this format. One of the reasons is because of their schedule. They want to fill it, even if it means stupid games. I'd also prefer the GSL format, but I can understand why the OSL insist on sticking with this.
Ok, i get you point. My mistake. But OGN could arrange the schedule better since they fix it long time ago. They should at least know to put team kill not in the last round. That's quit basic sense. And also, OGN didn't hesitate a moment to switch flash's game when he need it.
On July 16 2013 20:26 Bagration wrote: Wow, speculating that SKT will match fix. Seriously, you guys think Boxer will let something like that happen? Don't you think Fantasy and Rain have integrity?
Wow
7:40 mark where Boxer pulled his forces away where he could've ended. Does that count as matchfixing to you?
LOL you can't possibly be serious. This is a Best of 1 Showmatch played for fun and the viewers.
How about my question regarding WCG? It's a tournament in which prize money and national pride are at stake. Koreans still throw games to foreigners just to get 2nd place in group stages.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
And on the flip side you have people saying the GSL format is unfair because you don't have to play everyone in your group to advance.
Can't please everyone. Variation in tournament structure is actually a good thing. Keeps things interesting.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
I enjoy OSL format more than GSL (in Ro16). For starters you play only one opponent each week instead of up to three- you can prepare. There are no truly meaningless games thanks to points. Round robin seems fair as you can't avoid hard matchup within a group. OSL is a way to go
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
I enjoy OSL format more than GSL (in Ro16). For starters you play only one opponent each week instead of up to three- you can prepare. There are no truly meaningless games thanks to points. Round robin seems fair as you can't avoid hard matchup within a group. OSL is a way to go
SK-Parting and Kangho-Maru are truly pointless games.
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed.
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for.
I don't quite understand.
Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games.
They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft.
It's not about having an optimal format.
It's about filling their time slot.
You don't get it, do you? The OSL format is simply bad. If they use the GSL format. There won't be any pointless game. The schedule will be fulfilled with meaningful game.
I enjoy OSL format more than GSL (in Ro16). For starters you play only one opponent each week instead of up to three- you can prepare. There are no truly meaningless games thanks to points. Round robin seems fair as you can't avoid hard matchup within a group. OSL is a way to go
SK-Parting and Kangho-Maru are truly pointless games.
And Parting never faced Innovation in the "Group of Death" in GSL even though both advanced out. No tournament is optimal.
EPT
