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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
On July 16 2013 20:26 Bagration wrote: Wow, speculating that SKT will match fix. Seriously, you guys think Boxer will let something like that happen? Don't you think Fantasy and Rain have integrity? Wow It has nothing to do with integrity, 99% of people would throw in that situation, it's whats best for the team. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
If he wins, he has to live with screwing a teammate out of the round of 8 (though this could be acceptable - depends on Rain's mentality). | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5847 Posts
On July 16 2013 21:52 Nirel wrote: It has nothing to do with integrity, 99% of people would throw in that situation, it's whats best for the team. Does he really need to throw the match? He has literally no real incentive to prepare for this match and he's very capable of playing bad when unprepared. ;p | ||
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jimothyjim
Great Britain836 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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MichaelScott
42 Posts
so what i understand, mapscore doesnt matter at all, so even if rain only wins 2-1 over fanta, there will be a bo1 tie breaker between rain, first and hyvaa? | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On July 16 2013 20:26 Bagration wrote: Wow, speculating that SKT will match fix. Seriously, you guys think Boxer will let something like that happen? Don't you think Fantasy and Rain have integrity? Wow 7:40 mark where Boxer pulled his forces away where he could've ended. Does that count as matchfixing to you? Koreans are known to throw games to get 2nd place in WCG group stages so they could avoid facing each other in elimination brackets. Does that count as match-fixing to you? Matchfixing is only bad when money is involved (like Savior's matchfixing). Koreans have no problems with fixing matches when it comes to entertaining showmatch audiences or getting all medals in WCG. All about $$$$$ | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12486 Posts
On July 16 2013 22:45 ppshchik wrote: Koreans are known to throw games to get 2nd place in WCG group stages so they could avoid facing each other in elimination brackets. Does that count as match-fixing to you? Matchfixing is only bad when money is involved (like Savior's matchfixing). Koreans have no problems with fixing matches when it comes to entertaining showmatch audiences or getting all medals in WCG. All about $$$$$ Of course they have problems with it. Byun vs Coca, remember? You just have to do it in a way that doesn't make it obvious. Not using gamechat is one of these ways. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On July 16 2013 22:17 MichaelScott wrote: can some1 edit the tiebreaker rules to the OP? so what i understand, mapscore doesnt matter at all, so even if rain only wins 2-1 over fanta, there will be a bo1 tie breaker between rain, first and hyvaa? Yes. Head to head is looked at first, but in this case: First beat Rain Rain beat hyvaa hyvaa beat First Therefore, Bo1 Tiebreakers would occur if Rain beats Fantasy (regardless of map score). | ||
nimdil
Poland3769 Posts
On July 16 2013 22:45 ppshchik wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR_n6nKDFLU 7:40 mark where Boxer pulled his forces away where he could've ended. Does that count as matchfixing to you? Koreans are known to throw games to get 2nd place in WCG group stages so they could avoid facing each other in elimination brackets. Does that count as match-fixing to you? Matchfixing is only bad when money is involved (like Savior's matchfixing). Koreans have no problems with fixing matches when it comes to entertaining showmatch audiences or getting all medals in WCG. All about $$$$$ Match fixing and loosing on purpose is not exactly the same. But the situation here is similar to team orders in F1 and even though they are forbidden they do happen. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On July 16 2013 22:45 ppshchik wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR_n6nKDFLU 7:40 mark where Boxer pulled his forces away where he could've ended. Does that count as matchfixing to you? LOL you can't possibly be serious. This is a Best of 1 Showmatch played for fun and the viewers. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On July 16 2013 23:00 StarscreamG1 wrote: They are teammates, they can do whatever they want. When Nani did "whatever he want", everyone went apeshit and that match was totally irrelevant, while in this case a ro8 spot is on the line. If Rain wins (which he probably will do, since he is the better player of the two) a bunch of people will go totally nuts in the LR. I really hope, that Fantasy wins this match, just to avoid the drama it could unleash. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
It's just another result of the stupid format used by OSL, bo1 in ro32 then round robin in ro16.. both are terrible for letting silly situations happen and players advance in seemingly unfair ways. Round robin is already questionable in a game like starcraft where draws don't exist and the pointless last game happens very often. Thursday has 2 pointless games, 1 game that is pointless for one player playing agianst a teammate and just 1 game that determines group outcome. If you play round robin at least make sure to let teammates meet eachoter before the last round, it just prevents collusion. Also at least use some sort of decent tiebreaker... Head to head results is a useless tiebreaker as three people tied for first or second will always be a A>B>C>A.. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On July 16 2013 23:26 lichter wrote: OSL doesn't have round robin because they are stupid or want these pointless games. OGN has to use a round robin format because it ensures that their schedule is more or less fixed. OGN are also a TV station, and if Starcraft2 wants to be on TV, they will have to find a way to fit into TV schedules. Having days with only 1 or 2 games because the others were cancelled for being meaningless disrupts that schedule. These things are scheduled in advance and can't be changed. Lots of sports play pointless games, especially sports with a regular season and playoffs such as the NBA. Lots of teams with no hope of changing their destinies play their benches and rookies even though their opponents still have a lot to play for. I don't quite understand. Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 16 2013 23:38 StarVe wrote: I don't quite understand. Meaningless games only happen in the round robin format, if they had used the GSL format not only in the Ro32 but also in the Ro16, there wouldn't have been any pointless games. They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft. It's not about having an optimal format. It's about filling their time slot. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On July 17 2013 00:16 lichter wrote: They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft. It's not about having an optimal format. It's about filling their time slot. They still could have played the team kill games first in each group like was suggested earlier by another forum regular though. The schedule would have been known ahead of time (unless people swapped teams at a ridiculous time) and the format wouldn't even need to be changed. I think it was an oversight. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
On July 16 2013 16:08 lichter wrote: Soulkey Flash First Trap ez so close | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
 EDIT On July 17 2013 00:16 lichter wrote: They need the pointless games to fill their schedule. If the pointless games were removed, some of their days would only have 1 or 2 games. This would prove to be a scheduling nightmare, because they need to schedule the games just in case they need to happen. That schedule needs to be filled because OGN televises the games on TV. You can't just schedule a TV spot and then adjust your schedule a week before. They don't want to show reruns, because the slot is dedicated to Starcraft. It's not about having an optimal format. It's about filling their time slot. Can´t you have a reliable schedule using GSL format? I mean, since there can be no ties, it should even be more reliable, shouldn´t it? 1vs2 3vs4 WvsW LvsL WvsL done, and always 5 games/series. And you could play it on different days like in OSL as well. | ||
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