On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
Calling him a cheeser and saying he didn't deserve to win are two VERY different things
Not really. Cheese is also called coin-flipping for a reason.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yeah. I do not object to any kind of play, as long as there's no cheating involved. As a spectator though, I don't particularly enjoy watching only all-ins (though in this case, I doubt we would have gotten any good games even if they went for macro, simply because of the latency), but players should play to win, and nothing else.
As an example, Leenock clearly deserved his win over Naniwa in MLG Providence 2011, even though he went for roach rushes in all his wins.
Yep, exactly. That's the exact mentality.
However, discussing the community's disparate treatment of players is taking away from Uzer and Bly. Let's watch these games and discuss in a different thread
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
After 3 years on this forum, I still don't understand why you people say 'nobody enjoys all-ins" ? I LOVE to see all-ins, whatever the race, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
All ins with tense micro are great to watch IMO. All in that rofltstomp or get crushed a lot less :D
And the second game; just look like Nani making unit, randomly throw a few FF near the bunker and a-move (even if i'm pretty sure it take more than that :D)
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
so planing, creating builds, strategeis, tactics is not a skill in a strategy game ?
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
Calling him a cheeser and saying he didn't deserve to win are two VERY different things
Not really. Cheese is also called coin-flipping for a reason.
Taking a risk and having it pay off doesn't make them undeserving, if he doesn't deserve to win, he won't win.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Ssssshhh. He makes the questions AND the answers. This was just rethorical.
The guy went overboard Once, then proved to be pretty reasonable and attentive. No need to be a 9gag douche here.
I had to google to know what 9gag is. Keep on insulting people at the first occasion, that would make my comments less cynical in the future, people like you make me want to learn manners.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
Just to be sure... you are trolling, right?
Since obviously, being a great pro-gamer has nothing to do with hard work, accomplishments, and prize money, and all to do with playing as standard a game as possible >.>
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
Lol this is the stupidest thing I've read here in a while.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
lol... You're not reading hard enough. This LR thread is turning into nani flame fest on how is it to properly play the game.
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