On July 11 2013 01:10 Zheryn wrote: Do the casters know Naniwa is playing from korea? They haven't mentioned it and it will be a huge factor in the strategies/results.
On July 11 2013 01:10 Zheryn wrote: Do the casters know Naniwa is playing from korea? They haven't mentioned it and it will be a huge factor in the strategies/results.
I think they might know, but not have it at the front of their minds atm.
On July 11 2013 01:10 Zheryn wrote: Do the casters know Naniwa is playing from korea? They haven't mentioned it and it will be a huge factor in the strategies/results.
Hmm...NaNiwa with really poor micro/reaction time; losing void rays for no reason. Looks like the lagwall might be too much to overcome. Lucifron is reacting really well to the pressure.
On July 11 2013 01:16 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: This is why duckdeok and TAiLS all inned every game as well :x
Yeah, it's basically impossible to play straight up games with the insane lag that is KR -> EU. I just hope Nani has some very good PvZ all ins or he's done for.
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
Well without the lag he probably would have won with the proxy voidrays, but then again he cant complain because it was his decision to move to korea <.<
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
if he targetted the building turrets with his void rays right under them he won...
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
if he targetted the building turrets with his void rays right under them he won...
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
On July 11 2013 01:22 revel8 wrote: Good defence there by Lucifron. As soon as his SCV scouted Naniwa's base, he knew what was coming and took the right decisions.
yeah. I don't like him very much, but he has played smart.
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
if he targetted the building turrets with his void rays right under them he won...
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
if he targetted the building turrets with his void rays right under them he won...
mass repair
yea because you can repair turrets while they're building
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
Your claim was that the game was never close and I'm very surprised that you're making that claim since the game was very close in the beginning. Sure at the end it wasn't close, but that's what happens when an all-in is defended appropriately.
Protoss sometimes really looks stupid.. I mean 5 bunkers but 2 immos and ff doesn't care... I guess gg for Naniwa, lets see if he goes proxy oracle now.
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
Your claim was that the game was never close and I'm very surprised that you're making that claim since the game was very close in the beginning. Sure at the end it wasn't close, but that's what happens when an all-in is defended appropriately.
in the beginning it wasnt close aswell cauz he already had a bunker + turret before the first void came
On July 11 2013 01:31 Snowbear wrote: I hope he does a blinkstalker allin now, that's even harder to hold then this immortal allin.
I don't think he can play a blink stalker all in with the lag. Can't move observer in time when it gets scanned and he will have to blink out preemptively.
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
Your claim was that the game was never close and I'm very surprised that you're making that claim since the game was very close in the beginning. Sure at the end it wasn't close, but that's what happens when an all-in is defended appropriately.
in the beginning it wasnt close aswell cauz he already had a bunker + turret before the first void came
yeah but he killed literally every marine, could have gone differently with better micro
On July 11 2013 01:31 Snowbear wrote: I hope he does a blinkstalker allin now, that's even harder to hold then this immortal allin.
I don't think he can play a blink stalker all in with the lag. Can't move observer in time when it gets scanned and he will have to blink out preemptively.
Observer? This is HotS. You can play Blink Stalkers """""all-ins"""" with the MSC sight and its 190 hit points.
On July 11 2013 01:33 revel8 wrote: So did Lucifron lose that because he spent on upgrades at the expense of more units? Or did Luci not pull his SCVs in time to repair bunkers?
he did both. he was just overconfident that's all, i mean who would expect naniwa to walkup taht ramp after seeing 5 bunkers. dafuq
On July 11 2013 01:33 revel8 wrote: So did Lucifron lose that because he spent on upgrades at the expense of more units? Or did Luci not pull his SCVs in time to repair bunkers?
I think he needed more units (marines), bunkers are fine but with good ff you cant get the scvs to reapair and immortals just kill them too fast...
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
Your claim was that the game was never close and I'm very surprised that you're making that claim since the game was very close in the beginning. Sure at the end it wasn't close, but that's what happens when an all-in is defended appropriately.
in the beginning it wasnt close aswell cauz he already had a bunker + turret before the first void came
Okay, I think we were just watching different games.
On July 11 2013 01:33 revel8 wrote: So did Lucifron lose that because he spent on upgrades at the expense of more units? Or did Luci not pull his SCVs in time to repair bunkers?
Was getting too much upgrades and scvs pull was way too late, +insane ff.
On July 11 2013 01:33 revel8 wrote: So did Lucifron lose that because he spent on upgrades at the expense of more units? Or did Luci not pull his SCVs in time to repair bunkers?
He didn't have any pre pulled. Guess he got too confident. I'd always be extremely confident in lucifron owning naniwa in straight up tvp's. he tends to suck against cheesy stuff though.
If Lucifron can't win vs Naniwa in korea when he knows Naniwa gonna do cheesy stuff, his hype train crashed in my eyes. even if Naniwa plays normal, better be safe than sorry and be slightly behind, the micro advantage should even that out
On July 11 2013 01:31 Snowbear wrote: I hope he does a blinkstalker allin now, that's even harder to hold then this immortal allin.
I don't think he can play a blink stalker all in with the lag. Can't move observer in time when it gets scanned and he will have to blink out preemptively.
Observer? This is HotS. You can play Blink Stalkers """""all-ins"""" with the MSC sight and its 190 hit points.
Ah my bad of course, my account got locked when I tried to register a beta key and I lost access to the email i registered with (highschool email back then) - oh well oh well. Go NaNi :D
On July 11 2013 01:17 MWY wrote: I don't get why you would play such a microintensive build with all this lag..
He almost, almost had the game.. With just slightly less lag thats' a 100 % win for him. Way better than trying to micro storms and collosi against vikings and ghosts.
no i dont think it was ever close
Really? It was quite close. If he hadn't been losing his void rays to, arguably, lag then that could have snowballed really quickly.
i didnt say he wouldnt win if there was no lag, i just think this game wasnt close at all, nani just lost too many probes vs reaper in the beginning and didnt rebuild probes at all, so he was allin and had only stargate tech and units ,while luci had double cc so its ok for him to loose some scvs
Your claim was that the game was never close and I'm very surprised that you're making that claim since the game was very close in the beginning. Sure at the end it wasn't close, but that's what happens when an all-in is defended appropriately.
in the beginning it wasnt close aswell cauz he already had a bunker + turret before the first void came
yeah but he killed literally every marine, could have gone differently with better micro
its not like he couldnt rebuild marines and add another turrets, thats what he did actually , also i agree nani woulda microed better without lag i never denied he would play like this without lag, but in the last game with lagNani the game wasnt close at all cauz nani was way behind in eco and had only stargate prod 1 unit at a time
On July 11 2013 01:31 Snowbear wrote: I hope he does a blinkstalker allin now, that's even harder to hold then this immortal allin.
I don't think he can play a blink stalker all in with the lag. Can't move observer in time when it gets scanned and he will have to blink out preemptively.
Observer? This is HotS. You can play Blink Stalkers """""all-ins"""" with the MSC sight and its 190 hit points.
Ah my bad of course, my account got locked when I tried to register a beta key and I lost access to the email i registered with (highschool email back then) - oh well oh well. Go NaNi :D
That being said, I still see them with Observers from time to time.
i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
Very good aggression by Naniwa takes the series. Well played. This time the attack was not scouted in time and Lucifron did not have time to prepare an adequate defence.
On July 11 2013 01:40 Facultyadjutant wrote: Lucifron should have predicted it, naniwa have such a hard time with the lag lategame, so of course he would do quick builds
he predicted it, with lots of scouting and a lot of bunkers fyi
On July 11 2013 01:38 HerrHorst wrote: There will be a time when Protoss don't all-in every time.
Alas no, since it would mean Warpgate is removed from the game. /:
I've thought about a scenario in which this happens, and was wondering how many Protoss would just switch race rather than relearning the race. Thoughts?
On July 11 2013 01:40 garbanzo wrote: So has Lucifron not been watching the other games with Protoss players in Korea? I don't understand why you wouldn't just play super safe...
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
On July 11 2013 01:40 Facultyadjutant wrote: Lucifron should have predicted it, naniwa have such a hard time with the lag lategame, so of course he would do quick builds
he predicted it, with lots of scouting and a lot of bunkers fyi
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
People've got to understand what situation Naniwa was in (eventhough he can't blame anybody for it), and to realize that this was a great display of balls and skill.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Apparently people want the foreign scene to be represented by the biggest douche in esports.
Protoss amount of allins is just ridiculous right now. Give them more midgame potential but plz kill some of theses useless/ boring cheeses ! Seriously all WCS game I saw so far from protoss are every single time allin!
On July 11 2013 01:40 garbanzo wrote: So has Lucifron not been watching the other games with Protoss players in Korea? I don't understand why you wouldn't just play super safe...
Man, he is playing pretty safe.
Yeah, going for upgrades with 0 units is the best safe build out there.
Dunno what Lucifron was thinking at all, he knows that Naniwa ATLEAST will play aggressive, if not all in. What is the counter to that? Expanding + teching obviously, why build units. 10 Marines clearly should beat everything that comes at you.
On July 11 2013 01:41 Snusmumriken wrote: I remember hearing nani say on his stream that lucifron always loses to all-ins. Like 6 months ago
Actually, which terran doesn't? I really don't get why 70% of pvt's are allins. They are insanely hard to stop. Even if you scout the right one (which is already hard), you can't hold them. Especially blink allins, I really want blizzard to look into them. Also 6gate prism (with sentries dropped in your main and forcefield your ramp) is something very hard to beat, and I wonder when more tosses will find out about them.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Didn't Tails lose all his games by doing laughable attempts at all-ins?
On July 11 2013 01:40 garbanzo wrote: So has Lucifron not been watching the other games with Protoss players in Korea? I don't understand why you wouldn't just play super safe...
Man, he is playing pretty safe.
I guess I mostly meant in the second game. Third game was just a well-executed and cloaked all-in from NaNiwa.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Didn't Tails lose all his games by doing laughable attempts at all-ins?
On July 11 2013 01:38 HerrHorst wrote: There will be a time when Protoss don't all-in every time.
Alas no, since it would mean Warpgate is removed from the game. /:
Give us better T1 units that turn into T3 units with upgrades, and remove our reliance on Colossus. You can have Warpgate and the All-Ins.
Protoss is more than capable of playing macro games, but it is also the race with best cheese/all ins. Sure it was smart of Naniwa to play short games with lag but it still were awful games that looked like ladder scrubs fighting each other.. I can obs my own games for that shit :D
Every time Luci beat Nani on stream Naniwa would BM the shit out of him while yelling "HE ALWAYS TAKES RISKS!!!" and then he would all in him 10 games in a row and win each and every one of them
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Apparently people want the foreign scene to be represented by the biggest douche in esports.
Yea, gogo Naniwa I've never seen him go 3 games in a row like that with all-ins/heavy early aggression, but it was definitely entertaining! As a Protoss player, I didn't know early aggression could be that strong. Especially against Terran :O
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Didn't Tails lose all his games by doing laughable attempts at all-ins?
I think he 8 gated or something. As in 8 supply.
To be fair those kind of builds netted him an ungodly amount of team league wins. MVP protosses are bizarre.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Didn't Tails lose all his games by doing laughable attempts at all-ins?
I think he 8 gated or something. As in 8 supply.
To be fair those kind of builds netted him an ungodly amount of team league wins. MVP protosses are bizarre.
He's probably the biggest sniper I can think of in PL/GSTL off the top of my head (not counting Sniper!). Very cool, often map specific cheeses. I think they're fun, but most don't.
On July 11 2013 01:42 ptbl wrote: People keep saying Lucifron is the best foreigner, but his results don't show it. I think he is overhyped.
Well which one is better in your opinion?
The ones getting better results maybe? like TLO, Snute and naniwa?
I dont like Naniwa at all, but just look at his results. Barely lost to Leenock in finals, lost to Polt in finals. Lucifron didnt even make it to the finals lol
On July 11 2013 01:45 Jacmert wrote: Yea, gogo Naniwa I've never seen him go 3 games in a row like that with all-ins/heavy early aggression, but it was definitely entertaining! As a Protoss player, I didn't know early aggression could be that strong. Especially against Terran :O
Are you living under a rock? Protoss has a zillion gimmicky allins vs Terran that are insanely hard to scout/ prepare for.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
I don't know, Naniwa is taking a fair amount of shit too as far as I'm reading.
But yeah my surprise is that Nani was able to win, not that TL is full of Downfalls
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
How hard are you working towards a ban right now? If you ask for a ban they will just give it to you, no need to beat around the bush.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
This is one of the sillies thing's I've seen all day, and I've been reading this thread since Page 6.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
Quite old:
On December 04 2012 03:58 Ver wrote: Furthermore, it doesn’t matter how the foreigners win, so long as they do. Case in point: when Naniwa beat Flash in the first series at this MLG Dallas, people didn't care that he won in the dumbest way imaginable: nexus cancel into 1 base immortal allin that kills 4 bunkers, seriously? It didn't matter how bad the game design was that allowed that win, fans cheered their hardest because white boy, hated as he may be, beat famous korean boy; all else be damned.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
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Lucifron maybe shouldn't had started reaper and fast CC every game to begin with. He has always been playing like Innovation by taking a huge risk early game to get a killer mid- and late game. It is just that Innovation happens to be much better than him.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
How hard are you working towards a ban right now? If you ask for a ban they will just give it to you, no need to beat around the bush.
how do you want to ban someone O.o? and afaik it's forbidden to pretend you are a mod .
Stop saying Naniwa didnt deserve the win. He won, obviously he deservs it. It more Lucifrons fault. It was more than obvious Naniwa will be all-inning. He should have been prepared.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
How hard are you working towards a ban right now? If you ask for a ban they will just give it to you, no need to beat around the bush.
how do you want to ban someone O.o? and afaik it's forbidden to pretend you are a mod .
"They" Hes not talking about himself banning someone at all
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
You are allowed to say whatever you want. I am allowed to say 9/11 was an inside job. Again, you can say whatever you want.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
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Lucifron maybe shouldn't had started reaper and fast CC every game to begin with. He has always been playing like Innovation by taking a huge risk early game to get a killer mid- and late game. It is just that Innovation happens to be much better than him.
Innovation is also bad against all ins. At least zerg all ins..
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
Sorry I missed the first series. Why did Naniwa not deserve his two wins against Lucifron?
3 all ins in a row. Lucifron fans/protoss/naniwa haters took objection to that.
Yeah it sounded like he won with cheese or all-inning, based on the comments in the thread.
So... in other words... he totally did deserve the wins; it's just that people like to whine unless the game is an hour long and uses every unit in the game.
Just making sure that there wasn't actually a good reason.
On July 11 2013 01:52 Silvanel wrote: Stop saying Naniwa didnt deserve the win. He won, obviously he deservs it. It more Lucifrons fault. It was more than obvious Naniwa will be all-inning. He should have been prepared.
Let's just stop here... He did deserve the game that he played by himself.
MVP used to bunker-rush Naniwa in GSL. Many Koreans play aggressive. Get over it guys.
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
Sorry I missed the first series. Why did Naniwa not deserve his two wins against Lucifron?
Naniwa with serious, mega-huge lag. His first cheese was repelled due to Naniwa lagging (not microing void rays properly) - second game was somewhat ridiculous, Naniwa did a 1 base immortal push and Lucifron knew it was coming, so he had 5 bunkers up in his main but Naniwa just brute forced through. Third game was just the old quick nexus into gateway lelelele which won easily once again.
Point was that Naniwa managed to win without being able to micro (due to lag) and even won when lucifron scouted and reacted to it. I don't mind too much, would rather have Nani on lan.
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
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Lucifron maybe shouldn't had started reaper and fast CC every game to begin with. He has always been playing like Innovation by taking a huge risk early game to get a killer mid- and late game. It is just that Innovation happens to be much better than him.
Yeah, silly LucifroN, playing the safest TvP opening!
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Bly gets a phat scout in and kills some drones. Uzer is going into a roach timing. but bly gets lings in the main so he has to delay his aggressiong to clean up the lings. Bly has his mutas in production and theres only a coupl of roaches in the natural. Hes not going to be able to do enough damage. Oh thats cute uzer got burrow so its reallly hard for bly to clean this shit up, and uzers putting up static defense and transitioning into infestor. Uzer donates like 6 overlord.
On July 11 2013 01:53 Fusilero wrote: Hey guys, you know there are two zergs called uzer and bly playing. Perhaps we should consider discussing them? Uzer's overlord suicide was glorious.
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
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Lucifron maybe shouldn't had started reaper and fast CC every game to begin with. He has always been playing like Innovation by taking a huge risk early game to get a killer mid- and late game. It is just that Innovation happens to be much better than him.
Innovation is also bad against all ins. At least zerg all ins..
Yes, that's why I'm saying that Luci and him are similar barring the obvious skill difference.
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
I think he did adjust some, or at least tried to--it's just that he did preemptively alter his builds, which is what you need to do unless you are really good at defense (and luci is not)
On July 11 2013 01:53 Fusilero wrote: Hey guys, you know there are two zergs called uzer and bly playing. Perhaps we should consider discussing them? Uzer's overlord suicide was glorious.
Nanibly and Uzerwa?
On topic though: I don't know much about Uzer, but he's apparently doing just fine against Bly lol
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
Have fun scouting something on Whirlwind. Sometimes people proxy everything in another spawn position, how will you even see that?
On July 11 2013 01:40 1ns4n3 wrote: How did this guy win ? undeserved, you can't more
haha dude, Naniwa beat lucifron cross-server, how is it not a deserved win? :D
Low-APM race can win with that amout of lag i'm afraid. I say it's undeserved because he tried 3 cheese (with the most effective attack race - warp gate ftw) to beat lucifron. How is that deserving ? It's like zerg playing broodlord-infestor in WoL
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Lucifron maybe shouldn't had started reaper and fast CC every game to begin with. He has always been playing like Innovation by taking a huge risk early game to get a killer mid- and late game. It is just that Innovation happens to be much better than him.
Innovation is also bad against all ins. At least zerg all ins..
Yes, that's why I'm saying that Luci and him are similar barring the obvious skill difference.
Idk I think it is more that you need to either play aggressive or greedy on that level to win. Maybe not MKP level greedy but in TvZ early 3rd orbital into 2 engi bays is so standard that it is even hard to call it greedy because there is no real 2 base timing that is good enough to win (ok maybe hellbat - marauder all in but most games I've seen it work was against zerg who just made a round of drones and tried to defend with queens and some lings or roaches)
This game is hilarious. Uzer doing an ineffiecent build that gets scouted and harrassed. Still Bly decides to make 0 spines and almost throw the game lol. Then Uzer sacrifices 6 overlords. Then observer lags when Uzer is about to kill all the mutas.
What you guys don't understand is that Lucifron responded well to what Naniwa did. But he still got crushed eventually. You shouldn't die like that to scouted all-ins, sorry. If a zerg scouts my 11/11 early enough, game is over.
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
Sorry I missed the first series. Why did Naniwa not deserve his two wins against Lucifron?
3 all ins in a row. Lucifron fans/protoss/naniwa haters took objection to that.
gate, expand + 3 gate is an all-in ? that's smth new....
It is when you're not making probes...
so far i know you can start making probes anytime and not continues the agression if you don't want to, it's simple pressure build
I consider it an all-in because despite having a second nexus, he was pressuring with 4 gates, no tech, and no probes for the expansion. If he didn't do any damage with the pressure he couldn't just suddenly make probes again without being severely behind.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
On July 11 2013 01:40 PepsiMaxxxx wrote: Nani! Great games, great decision making!
Are you f****ing serious ?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
Have fun scouting something on Whirlwind. Sometimes people proxy everything in another spawn position, how will you even see that?
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
omg it's MC/ Rain/ Parting! Can I get an autograph?
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
Have fun scouting something on Whirlwind. Sometimes people proxy everything in another spawn position, how will you even see that?
1. Count pylons 2. Pray
What is stopping protoss to make a pylon somewhere else, for example with a scouting probe and fake proxy that way?
On July 11 2013 01:58 Fusilero wrote: Uzer is remarkably sloppy on literally every match I've seen from him. But like lowely or roro he somehow comes out the other side with a win.
This is exactly how I feel when I watch Sting. He's always supply blocked for huge periods of time when I watch him, but he keeps winning stuff.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Ofcourse, thats a pretty impressive way to win a TvP series
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
On July 11 2013 01:43 ntssauce wrote: [quote] /signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
Have fun scouting something on Whirlwind. Sometimes people proxy everything in another spawn position, how will you even see that?
1. Count pylons 2. Pray
What is stopping protoss to make a pylon somewhere else, for example with a scouting probe and fake proxy that way?
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
yeah, I've always thought that cheese was part of the game.
...unless you're cheesing bisu and winning, then you suck and I hate you.
On July 11 2013 01:57 HugzForL wrote: What you guys don't understand is that Lucifron responded well to what Naniwa did. But he still got crushed eventually. You shouldn't die like that to scouted all-ins, sorry. If a zerg scouts my 11/11 early enough, game is over.
First game he scouted it and defended well, and he won.
Second game he knew exactly what was coming but misplaced bunkers, didn't pull scv:s in advance, went for early upgrades and didn't target down two low health immortals during the engagement, so he lost.
And last game he just had nothing and died to something that wasn't even necessarily all-in.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Ssssshhh. He makes the questions AND the answers. This was just rethorical.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yeah. I do not object to any kind of play, as long as there's no cheating involved. As a spectator though, I don't particularly enjoy watching only all-ins (though in this case, I doubt we would have gotten any good games even if they went for macro, simply because of the latency), but players should play to win, and nothing else.
As an example, Leenock clearly deserved his win over Naniwa in MLG Providence 2011, even though he went for roach rushes in all his wins.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
yeah, I've always thought that cheese was part of the game.
...unless you're cheesing bisu and winning, then you suck and I hate you.
Have you even watched theses games ? He deserved NONE of his wins
/signed
Its ok man, when a Korean does it it's smart, aggressive play that's punishing greed.
When NaNi does it, it's apparently Protoss imba and completely undeserved.
Luckily, Toss fans are used to this.
we are not flaming nani, we are flaming protoss all ins, you should've realized it and now stop protecting him like you are his best friend for ever
But 10pool and 11/11rax don't catch any flak at all. Hmmm, that's odd.
lol I dont even...
Yeah all cheese gets flamed--but I'm not exactly sure why these all-ins mean he doesn't deserve it?
Lucifron showed bad defense. Should he get a special NR20 zone b/c he happens to be great at macro?
People love to hate on all-inns. Lucifron should've realized what was going on at least after game 2 and prepared better. At least he should've been more on top of his scouting after that g1.
Have fun scouting something on Whirlwind. Sometimes people proxy everything in another spawn position, how will you even see that?
1. Count pylons 2. Pray
a single marine scouting around his base couldve seen pylon/probe earlier, also with how nani actively tried to deny scouting luci shouldve been a little suspicious at least
not saying its easy to scout and prepare at all but thats just part of starcraft in a lot of situations for every race
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
yeah, I've always thought that cheese was part of the game.
...unless you're cheesing bisu and winning, then you suck and I hate you.
Flash on Monty Hall x.x
You have to admit though, that was a really well executed cheese.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Ssssshhh. He makes the questions AND the answers. This was just rethorical.
The guy went overboard Once, then proved to be pretty reasonable and attentive. No need to be a 9gag douche here.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
yeah, I've always thought that cheese was part of the game.
...unless you're cheesing bisu and winning, then you suck and I hate you.
Flash on Monty Hall x.x
You have to admit though, that was a really well executed cheese.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
yeah, I've always thought that cheese was part of the game.
...unless you're cheesing bisu and winning, then you suck and I hate you.
Flash on Monty Hall x.x
You have to admit though, that was a really well executed cheese.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
Calling him a cheeser and saying he didn't deserve to win are two VERY different things
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
After 3 years on this forum, I still don't understand why you people say 'nobody enjoys all-ins" ? I LOVE to see all-ins, whatever the race, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins),
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
After 3 years on this forum, I still don't understand why you people say 'nobody enjoys all-ins" ? I LOVE to see all-ins, whatever the race, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Once again it comes down to the same basic difference.
An all-in is only disgusting insofar as it is done by a person that has been predetermined to be supposed to lose. If it is done by any other person, it is called a "brillant mindgame build"
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
Calling him a cheeser and saying he didn't deserve to win are two VERY different things
Not really. Cheese is also called coin-flipping for a reason.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yeah. I do not object to any kind of play, as long as there's no cheating involved. As a spectator though, I don't particularly enjoy watching only all-ins (though in this case, I doubt we would have gotten any good games even if they went for macro, simply because of the latency), but players should play to win, and nothing else.
As an example, Leenock clearly deserved his win over Naniwa in MLG Providence 2011, even though he went for roach rushes in all his wins.
Yep, exactly. That's the exact mentality.
However, discussing the community's disparate treatment of players is taking away from Uzer and Bly. Let's watch these games and discuss in a different thread
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
After 3 years on this forum, I still don't understand why you people say 'nobody enjoys all-ins" ? I LOVE to see all-ins, whatever the race, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
All ins with tense micro are great to watch IMO. All in that rofltstomp or get crushed a lot less :D
And the second game; just look like Nani making unit, randomly throw a few FF near the bunker and a-move (even if i'm pretty sure it take more than that :D)
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
so planing, creating builds, strategeis, tactics is not a skill in a strategy game ?
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Yes sure. People even called Mvp a cheeser when he won his last GSL. Nobody really enjoys all ins (especially if all 3 games in a Bo3 are all ins), this is more about Naniwa haters and Faniwas clashing together..
Just one example: Innovation vs. Flash. I think we all expected more from that series.
Calling him a cheeser and saying he didn't deserve to win are two VERY different things
Not really. Cheese is also called coin-flipping for a reason.
Taking a risk and having it pay off doesn't make them undeserving, if he doesn't deserve to win, he won't win.
On July 11 2013 01:58 1ns4n3 wrote: I'm sorry I agree I went too far. But would you Protoss guys say that Lucifron deserve his win if he had win two 11-11 in a row against naniwa ? Just be honest.
Yes
Ssssshhh. He makes the questions AND the answers. This was just rethorical.
The guy went overboard Once, then proved to be pretty reasonable and attentive. No need to be a 9gag douche here.
I had to google to know what 9gag is. Keep on insulting people at the first occasion, that would make my comments less cynical in the future, people like you make me want to learn manners.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
Just to be sure... you are trolling, right?
Since obviously, being a great pro-gamer has nothing to do with hard work, accomplishments, and prize money, and all to do with playing as standard a game as possible >.>
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
Lol this is the stupidest thing I've read here in a while.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
lol... You're not reading hard enough. This LR thread is turning into nani flame fest on how is it to properly play the game.
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
I disagree with your notion of skill and NaNiwa's multitask is actually quite good.
He got pretty far at the most recent MLG and this time he didn't literally just use one build.
I really hope he uses pre-planned strategies--this isn't fischer random chess. Look, planning is a part of skill. So are mindgames. He's successful, and I don't think all of it can be explained through luck. He is the best foreigner IMO...I don't like him at all but who else is showing up?
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
lol... You're not reading hard enough. This LR thread is turning into nani flame fest on how is it to properly play the game.
Nani flame fest? Please. Any player will get shit for all-inning 3 times in a row.
I feel like Uzer could have taken out Bly's third with those lings, and should have finished it off once he saw his third getting killed. Trading one base for one base is better than just losing yours for free >.>
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
On July 11 2013 01:40 ntssauce wrote: i think we can all agree that lucifron was better and the 2nd game had nothing to do with " perfect micro " ( micro spamming few FFs LOL nice what toss consider micro nowadays ) , but how strong the push itself was.
I think we can all agree that Naniwa is a much better player than Luci ever can hope to be considering he beat him with insane lag from Korea. Luci was overrated already in Warcraft 3 and that story continues in SC 2.
Please, Naniwa would be shit without protoss. He's really good at preparing builds, which is great for a protoss player. In terms of actual skill theres no contest
Also I'm not qq about Naniwa, even though I can't stand him. Protoss is just fucking stupid no matter what.
Quoting this post for posterity :D
Always glad to hear that people would be shit if they didn't play that famous race that just hasn't won as often as others, ever.
Dude I'm not saying Protoss is OP, it just takes less skill to master than other races. Preparing builds and mindgames matter more than actual skill. Terran and Zerg players are just better when it comes to real skill.
I want to watch starcraft, not poker with lazer guns.
Define "skill"
Micro, the ability to multitask, do lots of different things really fast, etc.
Obviously not all protoss players are like this. But be honest, when was the last time you saw Naniwa win an important game where it wasn't some kind of build order win, defending an all in, or using some kind of pre-planned strategy for his opponent.
The guy is trash, and its embarrassing to the foreign scene that people actually think he's the best foreigner.
You have contradicted yourself at least twice in a span of five posts, so it's kind of hard to discuss with you. I'd suggest posting again once you've cooled down a bit.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
lol... You're not reading hard enough. This LR thread is turning into nani flame fest on how is it to properly play the game.
Nani flame fest? Please. Any player will get shit for all-inning 3 times in a row.
I'm really surprised by uzer, havn't heard of him before ( someone mentioned he was 2nd in ESL Poland i think?), but he is doing much better than i thought!
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
On July 11 2013 01:42 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Funny to see the massive bias after people shit on tails/duckdeok in LR threads for all inning every game :D
lol... You're not reading hard enough. This LR thread is turning into nani flame fest on how is it to properly play the game.
Nani flame fest? Please. Any player will get shit for all-inning 3 times in a row.
I just posted Boxer's x3 bunker rush >.>
He could never say the generic words "I will show you great games." after doing that.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
Cleans his food with infrared light, reverse osmosis filtered water, and rubbing alcohol
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
you are sick :/
I am sick? Germs can't touch me mate. I can never get sick, that's why I do it.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
You should come and live with me in the northern outback. I'll make a man out of you.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
Cleans his food with infrared light, reverse osmosis filtered water, and rubbing alcohol
I don't go that far, I just eat astronaut food (from tubes), nothing else.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
you are sick :/
He was making fun of you, because showering everyday is just really unnecessary as long as you're not sweating too much.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
Oh nice. I'm CS at Umich, but I'm off for the summer.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
you are sick :/
I am sick? Germs can't touch me mate. I can never get sick, that's why I do it.
i meant in the head, however, if you live too clean and totally without "germs" (ps: i read germans first xD ) your immune system will not be used to defending germs and you will get sick more often.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
Cleans his food with infrared light, reverse osmosis filtered water, and rubbing alcohol
I don't go that far, I just eat astronaut food (from tubes), nothing else.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
you are sick :/
He was making fun of you, because showering everyday is just really unnecessary as long as you're not sweating too much.
No I wasn't. There's an unwritten rule on TL.net where the OP of a LR thread must always be serious. Now look who's the OP.
socks 1 time , underwear 1 time , tshirt 1 time , than wash. Jeans are fine almost all the time without wash, shirts (like apollos, that need a long time to dry and so on, i wear them over a tshirt and after that wash the tshirt and hang them outside on fresh air, so they are fresh and i wear them again)
Also shower every day. what do you do :O?
Uh... I wash myself 3 times a day. I wash my hands everytime I meet someone, cause who knows where they've been with those hands. I usually wear clothes (t-shirts, socks, underwear) just once, then I burn them or give them away, sweaters and jackets more ofcourse. Pretty expensive in the end tho.
you are sick :/
He was making fun of you, because showering everyday is just really unnecessary as long as you're not sweating too much.
thanks, i guess you are the only one in this thread who understands sarcasm
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
Oh nice. I'm CS at Umich, but I'm off for the summer.
I have a good friend who's a CS at UofM. Taking summer classes due to co-op. Easy schedule, annoying due to weather.
I feel like I'm watching a bronze league match. These strategies seem super low level with super high level mechanics. Great to watch.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
Oh nice. I'm CS at Umich, but I'm off for the summer.
I have a good friend who's a CS at UofM. Taking summer classes due to co-op. Easy schedule, annoying due to weather.
I feel like I'm watching a bronze league match. These strategies seem super low level with super high level mechanics. Great to watch.
You mean spine crawler wall into broodlords is not standard pro ZvZ?
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
Oh nice. I'm CS at Umich, but I'm off for the summer.
I have a good friend who's a CS at UofM. Taking summer classes due to co-op. Easy schedule, annoying due to weather.
I feel like I'm watching a bronze league match. These strategies seem super low level with super high level mechanics. Great to watch.
On July 11 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote: where is shellbot? he usually likes these threads...
I was in class learning about super fun stuff
University? Where do you study?
Georgia Tech
what are you studying? (I hope you don't mind me prying, but I'm at uni myself so conversations like this are so normal)
I'm studying biomedical engineering and cell bio is making me miss games because summer semester classes are slightly longer since the term is shorter.
Heh, mechanical here with a test in three hours and I'm watching WCS T_T
Oh nice. I'm CS at Umich, but I'm off for the summer.
I feel like I'm watching a bronze league match. These strategies seem super low level with super high level mechanics. Great to watch.
This sums it up perfectly. Except I'm a little less sold on the great to watch part. I guess every now and then it's fun to see some stuff like this though.
On July 11 2013 02:23 FeyFey wrote: I would say in low Eco games units that creates units for nothing are better then energy units x3.
I disagree. See NSH.Freaky vs. Anyone Ever.
EDIT: I miss Freaky T_T
I get the feeling he wouldn't do too well in HotS.
He'd find a way. He'd play Windrunner all day and practice skill shooting, and then go on to win the third season of HotS WCS after six months of intense training.
On July 11 2013 02:23 FeyFey wrote: I would say in low Eco games units that creates units for nothing are better then energy units x3.
What about energy units with free energy?
Well they work good against badly positioned units, I mean the control that was put into vipers could have been put into the Broodies as well and you could have used Tumors to get like 3 waves of broodlings before you send them in.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
The problem is that dreamhack has screwed it up since tefel beat naniwa but naniwa beat on unknowns at dreamhack and therefore they have it and won't lose it now since they're not pros.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
And then some obscure PL player can get it and never play again so we have to restart the whole thing but some people will stay with the original one and we can have two factions fighting over which title is legit? :D
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Every player who has ever beaten Idra?
AgentW and YoungTyTy confirmed for Shellbot alts.
Impossible. I'm the liquid metal Shellbot, sent from the future to kill Shellbot.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Every player who has ever beaten Idra?
AgentW and YoungTyTy confirmed for Shellbot alts.
All acounts are, except yours... I mean move along, move along
I don't know, I think you should at least short-fry the chicken from both sides before laying the bananas on it. I really wonder how that tastes though.
On July 11 2013 02:43 packrat386 wrote: What will naniwa do this time? Keep your dial turned here, for Cheeses of the World with your hosts, Apollo and Kaeleris.
He will execute one of the 100 timings he knows that can kill most pros even when scouted
dunno why user didn't scout naniwa's base. His overlords was in position to do so for a long time. User deserved to lose that game. Inexcusable for a pro not to scout, especially when he had the means to do so.
On July 11 2013 02:45 AgentW wrote: I think NaNiwa's trying to prove a point.
He just tell the viewer, that he gonna all-in 3 times in a raw, so those who don't like all in can do something else for the next 15 minutes instead of losing their time
On July 11 2013 02:47 BlackCompany wrote: if i was Naniwa i would just sit there and laugh that i can beat all this guys even though i have lag and they know im going to all-in
It's pretty embarrassing for the guys losing to players who play with almost a second of lag, yeah.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
What was idra's first match in sc2?
On July 11 2013 02:39 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Cruncher, then? Or anyone who's ever played IdrA?
EDIT: lol, three IdrA comments in a row.
On July 11 2013 02:39 YoungTyTy wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Every player who has ever beaten Idra?
AgentW and YoungTyTy confirmed for Shellbot alts.
Impossible. I'm the liquid metal Shellbot, sent from the future to kill Shellbot.
Yeah, and I'm not a robot. I do normal human things like cycling, jump rope, and becoming self-aware.
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
What was idra's first match in sc2?
On July 11 2013 02:39 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Cruncher, then? Or anyone who's ever played IdrA?
EDIT: lol, three IdrA comments in a row.
On July 11 2013 02:39 YoungTyTy wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:32 Putty wrote: Imagine if naniwa lose to uzer.... it will be even more umiliating then losing to tefel...
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Every player who has ever beaten Idra?
AgentW and YoungTyTy confirmed for Shellbot alts.
Impossible. I'm the liquid metal Shellbot, sent from the future to kill Shellbot.
Yeah, and I'm not a robot. I do normal human things like cycling, jump rope, and becoming self-aware.
How boring of Naniwa, though I guess Uzer should have seen it coming. A stalker already out to deny scouting just flashes an "all-in is coming" alarm bell. The annoying part is that Z has no idea what kind of all-in it's gonna be. Whatev's :p
On July 11 2013 02:47 BlackCompany wrote: if i was Naniwa i would just sit there and laugh that i can beat all this guys even though i have lag and they know im going to all-in
It's pretty embarrassing for the guys losing to players who play with almost a second of lag, yeah.
On July 11 2013 02:47 BlackCompany wrote: if i was Naniwa i would just sit there and laugh that i can beat all this guys even though i have lag and they know im going to all-in
It's pretty embarrassing for the guys losing to players who play with almost a second of lag, yeah.
almost a second? hmm
Scarlett said it was about 3/4 of a second some pages back. Sounds pretty frustrating.
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
What was idra's first match in sc2?
On July 11 2013 02:39 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote: [quote]
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Cruncher, then? Or anyone who's ever played IdrA?
EDIT: lol, three IdrA comments in a row.
On July 11 2013 02:39 YoungTyTy wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:39 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:37 AgentW wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:36 imallinson wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:34 scypio wrote:
On July 11 2013 02:33 Qwerty85 wrote: [quote]
Lol. We might have the new unofficial worst player in the world.
Maybe we should make an "Unofficial Worst Player In The World Thread"...
So losing to the Unofficial Worst Player In The World gains you the title. The only problem is where to start it off.
The answer is obvious, isn't it? The man himself, Tefel!
But then we would miss so much time without having terrible players. We have to go deeper further back and find the first time a pro called another player terrible.
Every player who has ever beaten Idra?
AgentW and YoungTyTy confirmed for Shellbot alts.
Impossible. I'm the liquid metal Shellbot, sent from the future to kill Shellbot.
Yeah, and I'm not a robot. I do normal human things like cycling, jump rope, and becoming self-aware.
On July 11 2013 02:52 Undead1993 wrote: after watching bly cooking i skipped through the acer channel and whoever missed this, should watch it, + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1THiDW_LwFs
this is gold!
That delicious looking pint of beer is bigger than MMA.
OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
On July 11 2013 02:47 BlackCompany wrote: if i was Naniwa i would just sit there and laugh that i can beat all this guys even though i have lag and they know im going to all-in
It's pretty embarrassing for the guys losing to players who play with almost a second of lag, yeah.
almost a second? hmm
Scarlett said it was about 3/4 of a second some pages back. Sounds pretty frustrating.
On July 11 2013 02:54 Taryssa wrote: wow nani is really going full all-in today
He tweeted this after the first serie:
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1h thx for all great comments on twitter!!!! yes !! i am a noob without allin ;( sorry to those who dont like it when i have 3 sec delay :D
Was pretty clear what kind of builds he'd utilize today.
That was a rather nasty blow to Naniwa right there, the game might actually equalize if Uzer can do something to Nani's third..; though i don't think that will happen.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
Five games against Naniwa and not a single attempt of the agresive play. Thats so sad. Everyone just dies to an all-in that they know is coming. Are these players even thinking about what they are doing?
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
Everything is in the sometimes. I usually don't like cheese in SC2, but here despite the lack of micro, the variety Naniwa is able to bring is too nice not to like the games a bit. Plus the rage is just endearing.
To be fair, I dislike Naniwa (and the games he just showed) as he has a very shitty attitude (bad mouthing the crowd at MLG .. of all the things to do, I swear), but if his opponents can't hold off the all-ins, then they don't deserve to win and advance.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
LIES! Everyone knows the only reason players lose is because their opponent used op cheesy bullshit.
Not Naniwa's fault if the other players aren't good enough to beat what they know is coming. He obviously deserves to move on from this this round with opponents like that. Why show any strategies but the bare minimum to your future opponents when you can beat the current opponent that easily?
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
I dont know why people are complaning Naniwa is supposed to make it to RO16 just like season one but we will see if he can get passed the people who make it there.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
On July 11 2013 03:02 Incognoto wrote: To be fair, I dislike Naniwa (and the games he just showed) as he has a very shitty attitude (bad mouthing the crowd at MLG .. of all the things to do, I swear), but if his opponents can't hold off the all-ins, then they don't deserve to win and advance.
yeah I think so too Everyone should have known he is going to all in o.O
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
Guys don't blame naniwa for the all ins. Lucifron and user are just as much to blame for their lack of scouting. Plus user could have won the second game if he transfused the spore, but it just goes to show how he isn't a top code s player.
On July 11 2013 03:02 Incognoto wrote: To be fair, I dislike Naniwa (and the games he just showed) as he has a very shitty attitude (bad mouthing the crowd at MLG .. of all the things to do, I swear), but if his opponents can't hold off the all-ins, then they don't deserve to win and advance.
yeah I think so too Everyone should have known he is going to all in o.O
It's nice that Naniwa wins his group. If Lucifron and uzer could not deal with the totally expected strats coming from Nani (all things considered of course), then I question if they deserve to move forward in the group.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 03:06 ptbl wrote: Guys don't blame naniwa for the all ins. Lucifron and user are just as much to blame for their lack of scouting. Plus user could have won the second game if he transfused the spore, but it just goes to show how he isn't a top code s player.
Transfuse wouldn't have mattered for shit lol, dunno why people are saying that
OT: I can't stand nani, but whining at him for allinning is just stupid. All protoss allin loads, even your precious sOs allins literally over 90% of his games. Don't hate the player.
On July 11 2013 03:00 Schelim wrote: i feel like i would enjoy this a lot more if it wasn't Naniwa of all people that wins like this =/
MVP did it with that protoss heavy season. Pulling out 11-11 and 2 base timings against nani, squrtle and parting.:D
But obviously, when a good player does it its smart play, when Nani does it its FCKGKFGDGIKNF cheese.... sigh....
Man, I've been sayin' this like all day.
It's just blatant anti-foreigner bias.
While I agree that there is some anti-foreigner bias mixed in there. There is just this very special group of people that get on Nani's throat whenever he does something "'dishonourable'".
On July 11 2013 03:10 Schelim wrote: lol Naniwa used to always say he expected to win against everybody, now he says he expects to lose to everybody...
S. Korea to Europe produces the second worst Global Play ping. I think it is only trumped by SEA to Europe.
On July 11 2013 03:09 j4vz wrote: After the first set vs Lucifron, it was obvious that he was going into full autist mode because of the latency and that he would keep on cheesing...
On July 11 2013 03:00 Schelim wrote: i feel like i would enjoy this a lot more if it wasn't Naniwa of all people that wins like this =/
MVP did it with that protoss heavy season. Pulling out 11-11 and 2 base timings against nani, squrtle and parting.:D
But obviously, when a good player does it its smart play, when Nani does it its FCKGKFGDGIKNF cheese.... sigh....
Man, I've been sayin' this like all day.
It's just blatant anti-foreigner bias.
While I agree that there is some anti-foreigner bias mixed in there. There is just this very special group of people that get on Nani's throat whenever he does something "'dishonourable'".
it has nothing to do with being anti-foreigner, it has to do with the poor attitude naniwa sometimes portrays which people who are into drama like to feed on. that's all really.
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 03:13 Undead1993 wrote: that "last words" thing isn't working for anyone :D
I dunno if its just an awkwardness thing. I feel like a lot of them should have sponsors to shill there and stuff. If one of the EG guys was asked that you would definitely here "a big ty to our sponsors including monster, etc."
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 02:57 j4vz wrote: OMG making WCS EU feel like a joke. hey guys i will cheese every single game and go through in first place.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1 h dont know why i get flamed when huk 4 gated for 3 years and won like 50k USD from it... manner up guys!!! have some respect!!!
In SC2 the best players sometimes win
Is this true? LR threads have been fooling me for years
fuck, I thought that if you ever did an all in you were immediately terribad for life. Unless of course its somebody that I like, in that case they're just punishing the other player for being greedy with their superior metagame.
Is that not how it works?
That logic even worked in bw (even though for different reasons, cheese was overall more accepted by the community I feel).
Shine disagrees.
I said overall, Shine and 3 hatch hydras as a whole were the main exception. But the rage was awesome, people should visit the old LRs when Shine eliminated Bisu from OSL, that was truly something...
On July 11 2013 03:00 Schelim wrote: i feel like i would enjoy this a lot more if it wasn't Naniwa of all people that wins like this =/
MVP did it with that protoss heavy season. Pulling out 11-11 and 2 base timings against nani, squrtle and parting.:D
But obviously, when a good player does it its smart play, when Nani does it its FCKGKFGDGIKNF cheese.... sigh....
Man, I've been sayin' this like all day.
It's just blatant anti-foreigner bias.
Anti-foreigner bias? Does that even exist.
It's the type that people spout when the foreigner win and they try to downplay it through calling it cheese/luck/the sort because it is impossible for Koreans to lose to measly Foreigners. It exists, not prominently, but it does exist.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
I don't know why they're acting like its such a huge deal that Ro16 players last time aren't making it through. If there were like semifinalists we were talking about it would be a way bigger upset.
nani still in korea ? then its so fuckn amazing winning with huge lag ... all koreans losing it always the lag, now nani plays with it vs guys like luci, winning and its not a bit amazing for anyone ... gj !
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
Kennigit is back :D
I actually don't notice the difference very much, but usually I'm not paying that close attention the stream.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
Huh, wasn't Funka observing? I think he was fine. Didn't know people complained.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
In response to both of these, I really haven't noticed a difference, but observing has to be REALLY bad (like PL observing) for me to start to care.
In general, I think it's probably consensus that a dedicated observer is always better than a caster doing it.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
Huh, wasn't Funka observing? I think he was fine. Didn't know people complained.
Funka was observing at the live finals. The guy observing during the livestreams for this season was Icicle
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
I remember being annoyed at the observing the first few weeks because of the lack of synergy between the observer and the casters. It seemed like the observer wasn't listening to the casters and so the casters could be talking about something that the observer should "confirm," but the observer wouldn't confirm it. I haven't been paying close attention, but the fact that I'm not as annoyed probably means it's significantly better.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
In response to both of these, I really haven't noticed a difference, but observing has to be REALLY bad (like PL observing) for me to start to care.
In general, I think it's probably consensus that a dedicated observer is always better than a caster doing it.
I feel like it depends on how much I'm actually focusing on the game. Right now I'm mostly posting on TL and editing LP while sort of listening to the game and tuning in when they start yelling. however if it was a GSL finals or I was doing a Live Report, I would care a lot more about obs.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
Huh, wasn't Funka observing? I think he was fine. Didn't know people complained.
Funka was observing at the live finals. The guy observing during the livestreams for this season was Icicle
Ah ok, thanks. Well I didn't notice any problems with Icicle either then.
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
In response to both of these, I really haven't noticed a difference, but observing has to be REALLY bad (like PL observing) for me to start to care.
In general, I think it's probably consensus that a dedicated observer is always better than a caster doing it.
I feel like it depends on how much I'm actually focusing on the game. Right now I'm mostly posting on TL and editing LP while sort of listening to the game and tuning in when they start yelling. however if it was a GSL finals or I was doing a Live Report, I would care a lot more about obs.
Agreed. I'm also casually going in an out right now between posting in the LR excessively and faux-studying for my exam.
On July 11 2013 03:29 75 wrote: great observing. kinda impressed
Unless I'm imagining it, there was just a jerk up and down of the screen. I imagine the observer guy almost crapped himself when he accidentally hit the down arrow key but recovered and hit up. Otherwise, very good observing.
well, the observer guy is actually not observing at the moment. It's Kaelaris doing the observing.
Even more impressive then!
I think I prefer a observer over a caster observing but in WCS EU nobody (especially in these LR threads) actually gave constructive criticism, only complaints, so they are now trying out doing it with Kaelaris as observer. I know the guy who did the observing and I wish they give him so more chances to improve.
I'm not complaining here, I think Kaelaris observing is pretty damn good so far. I just think it could be even better with a dedicated observer
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
In response to both of these, I really haven't noticed a difference, but observing has to be REALLY bad (like PL observing) for me to start to care.
In general, I think it's probably consensus that a dedicated observer is always better than a caster doing it.
I feel like it depends on how much I'm actually focusing on the game. Right now I'm mostly posting on TL and editing LP while sort of listening to the game and tuning in when they start yelling. however if it was a GSL finals or I was doing a Live Report, I would care a lot more about obs.
Agreed. I'm also casually going in an out right now between posting in the LR excessively and faux-studying for my exam.
On July 11 2013 03:37 Kennigit wrote: How do you guys find the obsing compared to week 1 and 2? We've been mixing things up to see what the best combos are.
is kaelaris really observing and commentating?
I don't feel that it is really smooth today, but you made me look critically now . Camera movements are a bit jerky.
On July 11 2013 03:34 Drake wrote: nani still in korea ? then its so fuckn amazing winning with huge lag ... all koreans losing it always the lag, now nani plays with it vs guys like luci, winning and its not a bit amazing for anyone ... gj !
Speaks more to how overrated lucifron is actually. Nani did 3 all ins due to the lag and lucifron still lost to them despite the fact he knew they were coming. When lucifron actually does something in a major tournament, then I might buy into the hype. Until then, he's just the most overhyped and overrated foreigner today.
On July 11 2013 03:34 Drake wrote: nani still in korea ? then its so fuckn amazing winning with huge lag ... all koreans losing it always the lag, now nani plays with it vs guys like luci, winning and its not a bit amazing for anyone ... gj !
Speaks more to how overrated lucifron is actually. Nani did 3 all ins due to the lag and lucifron still lost to them despite the fact he knew they were coming. When lucifron actually does something in a major tournament, then I might buy into the hype. Until then, he's just the most overhyped and overrated foreigner today.
Tournament wise, he doesn't have much in the name of high finishes. But, there is a reason he has the highest ELO among foreigners in Aligulac and TLPD. He performs well in games.
On July 11 2013 03:34 Drake wrote: nani still in korea ? then its so fuckn amazing winning with huge lag ... all koreans losing it always the lag, now nani plays with it vs guys like luci, winning and its not a bit amazing for anyone ... gj !
Speaks more to how overrated lucifron is actually. Nani did 3 all ins due to the lag and lucifron still lost to them despite the fact he knew they were coming. When lucifron actually does something in a major tournament, then I might buy into the hype. Until then, he's just the most overhyped and overrated foreigner today.
Lucifron is rated this high, because he can be an absolute monster, when he is on his game, he tripple killed MVP just a few days ago. Talking about doing smth at a major tournament, he 2-0ed Mvp at a live setting last WCS season and barely got eliminated in the ro8 by ForGG.
Naniwa being able to beat LucifroN and HoeJJa for example losing to tr0n and dizdemon definitly says something.
On July 11 2013 03:34 Drake wrote: nani still in korea ? then its so fuckn amazing winning with huge lag ... all koreans losing it always the lag, now nani plays with it vs guys like luci, winning and its not a bit amazing for anyone ... gj !
Speaks more to how overrated lucifron is actually. Nani did 3 all ins due to the lag and lucifron still lost to them despite the fact he knew they were coming. When lucifron actually does something in a major tournament, then I might buy into the hype. Until then, he's just the most overhyped and overrated foreigner today.
Well luci has to use those terrible WCS computers ;P
Fun cheesy games to watch. This is great to see IMO. he needed to cheese a lot more in his play and this will keep people from taking too many risks against him.
On July 11 2013 04:16 P7GAB wrote: on a side note, elky is on tsn right now playing poker!
Don't think TSN's available in the US or even outside Canada.
On July 11 2013 04:19 Meow-Meow wrote: Not to be disrespectful towards Uzer, but Lucifron assraped him so hard even the loading screen smelled like shit.
I'm really happy that Luci is winning, aren't we all pretty much waiting for him to take a tourney?
Luci vs. Nani S2 finals, please.
Just because you add "not to be disrespectful" or "<3" or whatever doesn't mean "assraped" is an acceptable description.
It was the left pc this time. I just sent an all caps screaming bloody murder email to IT. Many swear words. Both computers will be replaced before next broadcast on my life.
Yeah Lucifron already had a 90% chance of winning right there, but the lag pretty much pushed it to 100%. Still, nice try from the two zergs to upset Nani/Luci, but both Nani & Luci deserved to go through today as they played well.
On July 11 2013 04:34 Kennigit wrote: It was the left pc this time. I just sent an all caps screaming bloody murder email to IT. Many swear words. Both computers will be replaced before next broadcast on my life.
On July 11 2013 04:34 Kennigit wrote: It was the left pc this time. I just sent an all caps screaming bloody murder email to IT. Many swear words. Both computers will be replaced before next broadcast on my life.
On July 11 2013 04:34 Kennigit wrote: It was the left pc this time. I just sent an all caps screaming bloody murder email to IT. Many swear words. Both computers will be replaced before next broadcast on my life.
On July 11 2013 04:43 Musicus wrote: Hm 3/3 mouz players in ro16 now, if Vortix does it they'll have 4/4 in ro16 . Mouz looking strong.
If vortix wins his group, we could've a 100% mouz ro16 group.
Please don't even joke about it! Hope he gets second...
Edit: If that actually happened, a sick preview could be written though and the hype would be big. The big 4 in mousesports: Hasu the veteran, Mana the (former) ace and the two new spanish weapons fighting it out for bragging rights. It would be like ranking matches. But please not.
On July 11 2013 04:37 Kennigit wrote: We don't have this issue on the multiple other broadcasts on other games done, but i don't really give a shit. They'll be replaced.
EPT
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LucifroN vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/d/d0/Se.png)
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Bly vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/b/b9/Pl.png)
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They did mention it!
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Man that won 2nd place in ESL pro series Poland, man on the left
I've never seen him go 3 games in a row like that with all-ins/heavy early aggression, but it was definitely entertaining! As a Protoss player, I didn't know early aggression could be that strong. Especially against Terran :O
