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Germany22369 Posts
On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys.
u act like thats a bad thing LOL
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Germany22369 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P 
he beat stats 2-0
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On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys.
I think this actually makes us a bit better then traditional sports to be honest, we(For the most part) don't just blindly cheer for some guy/team from our region because it's our home team etc. People root and cheer for players that are actually good at the game and play a style they like to watch or have great personalities.
Of course exceptions do exist and some people do just cheer for their countrymen, which isn't a bad thing I just like the diversity of favourite players and rooting for skill over rooting for some random guy from your own country.
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On June 30 2013 21:53 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 21:27 Valikyr wrote:On June 30 2013 21:17 Putty wrote:
So the only foregner left is Naniwa? How surprising... Feels like Naniwa and Stephano are taking turns being the last foreigner left. Look at the ridiculous easy bracket he had. The only player he beat until now who can play sc2 decent is TheStC. With JD and his history with ZvP, Nanis luck continues (man, i dont want to see JD bomb out again).
This time he had a pretty easy bracket. Doesn't change all the other top foreigner finishes or the 2nd place at Dreamhack Stockholm.
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On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P
90% favourite against Jaedong? Hell nobody in the world is a 90% favourite against Jaedong in any matchup. Naniwa edged out a win last time, but always lost in training before. After Jaedong beat Stats 2-0 yesterday, I'd call him the favourite or give him 40/40 chances at least.
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Naniwa forced to carry the foreign banner by himself yet again. 
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On June 30 2013 22:51 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:Yeah, HerO vs Hyun was amazing. + Show Spoiler +First game Hyun dominates, second game HerO DOMINATES, third game pure back and forth epicness HerO is the only Protoss that makes the race look fun to play vs Z, unlike the other turtle --> timing Tosses. He understands how to macro while harassing with small amounts of units. Watching him juke dance with Blink Stalkers around Hyun's chasing army was just lovely. Credit to Hyun too for not missing a beat from the get go, saving his hatch... just an incredible game.
Wow so much this. Probably the reason i fell in love with Hero's play! So inspiring
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On June 30 2013 23:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys. I think this actually makes us a bit better then traditional sports to be honest, we(For the most part) don't just blindly cheer for some guy/team from our region because it's our home team etc. People root and cheer for players that are actually good at the game and play a style they like to watch or have great personalities. Of course exceptions do exist and some people do just cheer for their countrymen, which isn't a bad thing I just like the diversity of favourite players and rooting for skill over rooting for some random guy from your own country.
The problem here has absolutely nothing to do with nationalism though. ANY sport is doomed to be less interesting if one nation is utterly dominating; imagine if all the best 10 footballteams of the world were 100% swedish and all of them were allowed to compete on their own in the worldcup as well as any other major tournament around. Not so fun is it?
That being said I want my mainman Hyun to win this.
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Pandemona
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On June 30 2013 23:19 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P he beat stats 2-0
On June 30 2013 23:27 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P 90% favourite against Jaedong? Hell nobody in the world is a 90% favourite against Jaedong in any matchup. Naniwa edged out a win last time, but always lost in training before. After Jaedong beat Stats 2-0 yesterday, I'd call him the favourite or give him 40/40 chances at least.
Yeah but he lost to Dear 2-0. Maybe Stats match up was his weakest ? Naniwa is pretty good vs P in LANS where he has prepared builds? Like his series vs Leenockerrrrr?
Plus Jaedong made some bad descions to hammer home his poor vs P performance at DH?
I guess 90% is a bit high, but considering its Naniwa vs Jaedong in the positions they are in (both losing) and Jaedong losing to a P, doesn't it give the edge even more so to Naniwa? ;_;
(Of course i would love no more than anyone Jaedong to win, but it's going be silly hard )
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Can anyone say for sure if the bracket on liquipedia for the final rounds is correct? It seems really strange to have the losing players from round 6 (HerO and Dear) fall down to the same side of the bracket they came from.
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On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P
well with 3.6 times the money on naniwa that has to be just about the deal of the century
On June 30 2013 23:27 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P 90% favourite against Jaedong? Hell nobody in the world is a 90% favourite against Jaedong in any matchup. Naniwa edged out a win last time, but always lost in training before. After Jaedong beat Stats 2-0 yesterday, I'd call him the favourite or give him 40/40 chances at least.
he always lost in training and you give him almost 50%?
also where did you hear that? that sounds interesting. what was said?
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On July 01 2013 00:00 Andamanen wrote:
Can anyone say for sure if the bracket on liquipedia for the final rounds is correct? It seems really strange to have the losing players from round 6 (HerO and Dear) fall down to the same side of the bracket they came from.
No it's correct, there are 2 seperate brackets and when you lose you don't get thrown into the other. It assures that the players in the Grand Final haven't met before.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:00 Andamanen wrote:
Can anyone say for sure if the bracket on liquipedia for the final rounds is correct? It seems really strange to have the losing players from round 6 (HerO and Dear) fall down to the same side of the bracket they came from.
http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2013-anaheim-starcraft2-hots.html
Looking at that im not sure im more confused. But looks like Hero plays Hyun if he beats Sound/Sage. So i would say they are right (kinda)
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On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys.
Well that's easy enough to explain.
1. I'm not Swedish
2. I'm not white. (I'm not Korean either just btw)
3. I don't play Protoss
4. I tend to cheer for GSL players since they are from the tournament I spend the most time watching.
Naniwa isn't one of "my" guys. He's more foreign to me as any of the Koreans and a lot of them are much nicer too.
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One thing to remember about jaedong, its not like he is really bad at PvZ, He is always dominating playing amazingly but then he make a questionnable decision and throw the game.
I think its something that can be fixed easily with time and experience.
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On June 30 2013 23:59 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:19 teddyoojo wrote:On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P he beat stats 2-0
Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:27 Musicus wrote:On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P 90% favourite against Jaedong? Hell nobody in the world is a 90% favourite against Jaedong in any matchup. Naniwa edged out a win last time, but always lost in training before. After Jaedong beat Stats 2-0 yesterday, I'd call him the favourite or give him 40/40 chances at least. Yeah but he lost to Dear 2-0. Maybe Stats match up was his weakest ? Naniwa is pretty good vs P in LANS where he has prepared builds? Like his series vs Leenockerrrrr? Plus Jaedong made some bad descions to hammer home his poor vs P performance at DH? I guess 90% is a bit high, but considering its Naniwa vs Jaedong in the positions they are in (both losing) and Jaedong losing to a P, doesn't it give the edge even more so to Naniwa? ;_; (Of course i would love no more than anyone Jaedong to win, but it's going be silly hard )
Hm at that Dreamhack where Naniwa won against JD and played a close series against Leenock he was ahead of the meta and was a bit lucky (his words + Show Spoiler +http://www.gamespot.com/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm/videos/naniwa-talks-the-misconception-of-a-rivalry-with-huk-at-mlg-6410911/
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On July 01 2013 00:05 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys. Well that's easy enough to explain. 1. I'm not Swedish 2. I'm not white. 3. I don't play Protoss 4. I tend to cheer for GSL players since they are from the tournament I spend the most time watching. Naniwa isn't one of "my" guys. He's just as foreign to me as any of the Koreans and a lot of them are much nicer too.
Its not about being Swedish, white, or protoss. Its about cheering for the underdog!
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On July 01 2013 00:03 Veroleg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P well with 3.6 times the money on naniwa that has to be just about the deal of the century Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:27 Musicus wrote:On June 30 2013 23:18 Pandemona wrote:Naniwa must be like 90% favourite to beat Jaedong right? ;_; Poor JD and his vs P 90% favourite against Jaedong? Hell nobody in the world is a 90% favourite against Jaedong in any matchup. Naniwa edged out a win last time, but always lost in training before. After Jaedong beat Stats 2-0 yesterday, I'd call him the favourite or give him 40/40 chances at least. he always lost in training and you give him almost 50%? also where did you hear that? that sounds interesting. what was said?
Naniwa said in an Interview at DH that he never beat JD before that match. They lived together in the EG-TL house and Jaedong went 10-0 or something.
Edit: I still give Naniwa almost 50% chances since he is a tournament player and always has a trick up his sleeve when it counts. Jaedong on the other hand doesn't seem to be able to bring the zvp he can play in training on to the stage.
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On July 01 2013 00:05 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 22:22 xyzz wrote:On June 30 2013 22:15 Orek wrote:
# of Koreans per bracket (18 total in 8 brackets)
2 2 5 4 0 1 3 1
It is true that Naniwa/Huk group was the easieast one. Relatively easy opponents did help Naniwa for sure. That said, I think Naniwa is the best non-Korean in this tournament anyways, so he would have had the best chance to advance further even if he had been placed in other brackets with tougher opponents. You mean best non-Korean in the world anyways. Naniwa is the only hope for non-Koreans since Stephano's decline and impending retirement and it's not even close. It's strange how there's so much nationalism in sports, but in SC2 people rather support random Koreans instead of our own guys. Well that's easy enough to explain. 1. I'm not Swedish 2. I'm not white. (I'm not Korean either just btw) 3. I don't play Protoss 4. I tend to cheer for GSL players since they are from the tournament I spend the most time watching. Naniwa isn't one of "my" guys. He's more foreign to me as any of the Koreans and a lot of them are much nicer too.
I identify a lot with this.
I root for Americans/Canadians, generally. But not all of them. Not idra, not QXC (for some reason I can't get behind him) and I follow the korean scene the most so that's what I root for. Also, most NA players are bad and some of the rest are just BM.
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