[DreamHack] Summer Day 3 2013 - Page 490

gTank

Austria2583 Posts

June 18 2013 11:34 GMT

#9781

On June 18 2013 20:32 arkedos wrote:

you must have been watching a totally different event. And calling Jaedong and Stardust mediocre is, well yeah... dunno what to say

Some people just love to troll that's all.

xXxUnseenxXx

United States230 Posts

June 18 2013 11:49 GMT

#9782

On June 18 2013 20:32 arkedos wrote:

Show nested quote +

you must have been watching a totally different event. And calling Jaedong and Stardust mediocre is, well yeah... dunno what to say

It is like saying Life is mediocre cuz he lost, which is totally untrue.

I liked the tourney as a whole. We got to see a potential up and coming Protoss player. I will say that I am disappointed JD lost but its fine.

invinzible

Switzerland83 Posts

June 18 2013 12:07 GMT

#9783

Team mYinsanity arrives at Zurich airport at 4.40pm, coming from Amsterdam with KLM - make sure to give 'em a warm welcome

JoeCool

Germany2520 Posts

June 18 2013 12:44 GMT

#9784

On June 18 2013 20:34 gTank wrote:

Show nested quote +

Some people just love to troll that's all.

Mediocre is the wrong word but let´s be honest this was one of the scenarios no one would´ve ever imagined. And neither JD nor StarDust are top notch. They´re good and they´ve had their run but that´s about it. But still I was entertained, especially match... 2 or 3 not sure. Where the probes made the difference^^

gTank

Austria2583 Posts

June 18 2013 12:57 GMT

#9785

On June 18 2013 21:44 JoeCool wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah it is entertaining, I rather see games that are not perfect but entertaining and close with lots of things going on than these NR20 minutes games where the game will be decided by that one unit composition fotm resolving into a cryfest in the LR threads.

Matisyahu

Sweden42 Posts

June 18 2013 13:02 GMT

#9786

Best game I´ve seen for a long time!!

epic comment by Sjow
"Alla tossar är tölpar"

translation is All tosses are:

hicks
jerks
slobs
hillbillies

sry hard to translate, but u might understand what I mean.

Crownlol

United States3726 Posts

June 18 2013 13:10 GMT

#9787

On June 18 2013 22:02 Matisyahu wrote:
Best game I´ve seen for a long time!!

epic comment by Sjow
"Alla tossar är tölpar"

translation is All tosses are:

hicks
jerks
slobs
hillbillies

sry hard to translate, but u might understand what I mean.

Lol, peeps love to hate on Toss. They complain if we all-in, they complain if we pressure, they complain if we macro game into a deathball, they complain about colossus, they complain about voidray... just can't win as the sad zealot.

TRaFFiC

Canada1448 Posts

June 18 2013 13:12 GMT

#9788

Hard to fail sorry for him losing to protoss considering he lost because he attacked with 160 some odd supply while heavily supply blocked. He could've easily been maxed. Still, he pulled out some real miracle games.

Matisyahu

Sweden42 Posts

June 18 2013 13:33 GMT

#9789

On June 18 2013 18:46 Xarell wrote:
Is dreamhack going to release the replays of this event?

http://www.svtplay.se/klipp/1296167/kvartsfinal-tre

Thats Q-3 game. Q-ers and Semis can be seen there if u are swedish. But I heard it can work for foreigners using vpn-services

Veroleg

Austria76 Posts

June 18 2013 14:09 GMT

#9790

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

June 18 2013 14:26 GMT

#9791

On June 18 2013 22:10 Crownlol wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, when you're essentially the Elves of the SC universe, it kind of comes with the territory. You make an implicit agreement when you choose to play Protoss that you'll take people's shit because it's just the nature of the universe.

GettingIt

1656 Posts

June 18 2013 14:38 GMT

#9792

Poor mYinsanity, they're probably going to lose their best player to a better offer now

magha

Netherlands427 Posts

June 18 2013 15:06 GMT

#9793

Is there any post/thread/site which sorted out links to the (free) twitch vods

vidium

Romania222 Posts

June 18 2013 15:28 GMT

#9794

check this link from the TL wiki
http://sc2links.com/tournament.php?tournament=DreamHack Open: Summer 2013

figq

12519 Posts

June 18 2013 15:28 GMT

#9795

God Almighty! TLO also beats Lucifron and Life to take the 5th place and direct seed? Awesome!

Nocteo

Belgium799 Posts

June 18 2013 16:13 GMT

#9796

Who won the swedish championship?

slowbacontron

United States7722 Posts

June 18 2013 16:26 GMT

#9797

Naniwa 3:1 Thorzain
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/E-Sport_SM_2012-2013/Finals

Archeon

3258 Posts

June 18 2013 16:53 GMT

#9798

On June 18 2013 14:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 18 2013 13:40 Blackfeather wrote:

On June 18 2013 13:34 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:

On June 18 2013 13:28 Blackfeather wrote:

On June 18 2013 13:19 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:

On June 18 2013 11:24 Blackfeather wrote:

On June 18 2013 08:27 TheDougler wrote:
Texted this to my buddy.

He called upon the ancient spirits of the Protoss and they answered him. The power of MC won him game one, then he channeled the avatar of HuK in game two to little avail. When all seemed lost in game three he asked parting for the answer and unto the stardust the champion thus spake: immortal sentry young one, all day, every day. "Even though all my opponent has is mutas? Questioned the budding nooblet." "Yes, young one." Answered the conductor. The immortal sentry will guide the way in the darkness, when all other lights are fungaled.

His hubris got the better of him in game four, where he turned against the gods and the spirit of July struck him down with a vengeance.

Having exhausted the spiritual energy of all of his forefathers but one he knew what to do.

"Inca guide me" he whispered

couldnt have described it better, pretty awesome writeup.

On June 18 2013 10:06 Faruko wrote:
This series reminds me why even if i watch dota 2 from time to time, SC its the king of eSports, so much tension you could not find anywhere else

I have to say it was exactly the other way round for me. After the dh dota 2 finale with lots of interesting strategies, tactical decisions and two european teams in the final, i switched over to sc2 to see two koreans tossing a coin over and over again. 4 games, 5 all-ins, 4 successful. No great micro (tbh both slipped horribly over and over again), no great strategy, no superior decision-making just coinflip into coinflip. The only fact that i found interesting is that Stardust ignored "when behind, build dark shrine" and instead did it when he was ahead.

On a side note: i agree that jaedong doesnt seem to understand the mu, he's playing zvz all the time.

You might have a point if not for the racist part.

what do you mean? if you are referring to the point that i (an European) can associate myself more with Swedish players than with Koreans, you just have to watch how the crowd at dh reacts every time a foreigner wins or go to a soccer-stadium, apparently i am not alone. I am not disrespecting them as humans and I didnt intend to say that Koreans are worse players than Europeans and just able to toss coins, i intended to say that pvz is horrible, that i prefer watching dota 2 and that it is usually easier for me to root for a team that is from an area close by than from an area far away.

Saying that Dota 2 is a better game because Europeans can actually win is racist and stupid.

Now you are twisting my statement, i didnt say that and never wanted to, I wanted to say that that influences my viewer-experience, not the quality of the game. I wanted to state why i prefer watching dota 2 over sc2 and part of that is the quality of the game and part of that is obviously the emotional part which comes from associating with a team and rooting for them.

On June 18 2013 13:40 r691175002 wrote:
I see where you are coming from. Recently, a lot of high-level matchups feel very coinflippy.

Taeja vs Jaedong stands out as well. Jaedong clearly mindgamed taeja from in-house practice (knowing to wait for the depot, and then knowing Taeja will 3cc after tilting) but in both cases the players chose their builds blindly and then find out who wins 5 minutes later.

The Jaedong/stardust series was almost as bad. Look at the third hatch cancel into roach rush. Is there any really any way to scout that with standard play? I'm not seeing any viable skill-based counter-play once the builds are chosen.

I realize that scouting and controlling the information your opponent sees is a large part of playing SC2 but was it this bad in BW?

Some games are absolutely amazing, but sometimes you just get a 2rax, cannon rush, or roach/bane allin and a player just rolls because their scout was 2 hexes to the left. Volatility is not good.

I do not agree that dota2 is a better game. I played a lot of dota back in warcraft and greatly enjoyed it, but it really falls short nowadays, especially as a spectator sport. The amount of knowledge required to play or understand the game competitively is immense (you essentially must know the abilities of every hero, and their viable builds or you will just die without even realizing what the other player did). The game is also exceptionally unforgiving and the vast majority of teamfights last all of 5 seconds.

I agree that dota 2 needs vast amounts of knowledge to understand the game fully, but that is to me also part of the fascination, because i have the feeling that there are two teams at work that are way better at understanding the game, whereas in sc2 i often had the feeling that the main reason why these guys are playing there and not me is that they are just way faster, at least at the time when i watched it a lot. I learn something from every dota game i watch, which is half the reason why i love watching it so much.
But i agree that the basic knowledge needed to even understand what's going on is pretty much, which makes dota 2 quite the opposite to beginner friendly if you just watch it, so it definitely is less suitable for the mass.

Fights in sc2 dont last for much longer and change less during the fight (less turnarounds etc) and sc2 is according to my experience even less forgiving. A missed forcefield can loose you the game even in bronce, a skill that is not perfectly used will hardly have any impact if everything else was right in dota 2 in the normal matchmaking.

PS: i am tired, it's early in the morning and i am going to bed now. I might restructure the text later on, when i am fully awake and aware what i am typing.

So your favourite players are all the white guys?

No, like everybody else i choose my favorite players by amazement, by seeing them do sth that i want to see, by rooting for the underdog, or by just thinking they are likeable (through interviews etc). In sc2 though i pretty much dropped watching any non-Korean player, because the Korean scene is/was so far ahead that all other felt irrelevant.
It was refreshing though that all the racism that is part of sc2 (the general attitude seems to be "Koreans are generally better player, even if they train in America like puma") was proven wrong in dota, where while Chinese teams dominated for years, it was never explained with "they are Chinese" but with "They train more/better and their scene promotes talents more" and lately we saw that Europeans with their increased training schedules could suddenly keep up with the Chinese teams. Thinking that Europeans or Americans are generally worse than Asians by birth is as racist as the other way round.

Since i am not sure that you are not just trolling me at this point, i wont answer to this kind of question anymore.

On June 18 2013 17:59 p14c wrote:
But, but, but David Kim said Protoss can't harass..What happened? Tons and tons of dark templars warped everywhere, sniping base after base before the zerg could even try to react..Something doesn't sound right.

Every race can harass if they are economically far ahead. The reason why toss "can't harass" is cost efficiency and that doesnt matter so much if you are 3 base vs 2 base zerg and just need to stall. That aside JD managed that far from ideal.

On June 18 2013 22:10 Crownlol wrote:

Show nested quote +

I wouldnt complain if i saw a toss going for macro in pvz, it just never seems to happen. The only toss who seems to have a macro focus is rain.
What do you mean with pressure? How does Protoss pressure at all? I mean pressure that is not all-in, like terrans 2-4 medivac pushes in tvp.
On a side note: i dont hate toss-players, i just hate the way toss gameplay plays out.