We already had several 0-3 comebacks in huge stage of SC2.
A 0-3 comeback in SC2 seems to be more likely than a 0-2 comeback in BW. Really doubt any players in SC2 can reach the domination level that Flash presented in BW. It's just too hard to win only with better skills, luck is too important.
Hes back -_-
Btw I didn't see Innovations reaction afterwards, was he crushed?
Thanks for the welcome. I will continue do excellent work, and not disappoint anyone.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparalleled when it comes to best of 7s
I believe saying that MVP is unparalleled when it comes to a bo7 is an overstatement considering the sample size we have for the rest of the players (especially the Kespa players). However, MVP certainly prepares well for his matches, makes the necessary adjustments, and utilizes a variety of builds. MVP's definitely one of the best when it comes to preparation (on SC2) but due to the sample size, saying that he's unparalleled is an exaggeration.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series.
What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close.
I don't know why people get so mad when people say they were crap games and it was a crap finals despite the score. No one argued against inca vs nestea not being crap. This series was almost as crappy. Sos vs Soulkey had a similar comeback and people called that crap too because it was. Even artosis called that series crap. No one is arguing for 200/200 deathball fights. I wanted to see games like this and was disappointed not to see a single game in the series play out like one of these.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series.
What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close.
I do understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. From my observations, Life prepares just as adequately and efficiently as MVP does.
not a very good finals, but it was funny watching, from the very first game I was thinking "why are you cheesing innovation?", he should've taken less chances, playing the dice favored soulkey.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series.
What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead.
On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close.
I do understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. From my observations, Life prepares just as adequately and efficiently as MVP does.
The thing is, Mvp wasn't that good of a preparation player before his wrists/neck/spine started to become an issue. When he could no longer be the best mechanical player, he had to do things differently. His entire run through 2012 GSL2 was about picking the right builds to stomp all over Protoss players who were all good enough in macro games for him not to have much of a chance. His series against Parting, for example, was all about SCV pulls and cheeses - the one macro game they played was the one game where he fell flat on his face under Parting's storms. Because Life, Innovation, Soulkey, Roro, Symbol, Parting, or any other championship caliber player, don't have these issues, they can play to their full potential, from a mechanical point of view. Life plays more with his instincts (and his balls) - he doesn't tailor builds for opponents based on what he's seen in their play to the same degree that Mvp does, because he can win anyway. He's confident enough in his standard macro game and 10-pool play that he doesn't feel the same need to.
Naturally he, just like every other good Korean progamer, will bring a build or two designed to quickly end a map he feels uncomfortable on, but he just doesn't analyse to the same degree Mvp does. If you don't see it that way, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Yeah well everyone was hoping for 10/10 macro games, crazy multi-pronged harass, sick HSM + boostivac a la bomber, and never before seen compositions consisting of an autorepairing scv phalanx and reaper-thor but we can't have everything all the time. It was a hard finals for both of them and if you look at game theory it can do plenty explanation why both of them didn't did their A-game.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series.
What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead.
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close.
4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series.
What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead.
On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote: Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it.
No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way.
I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s
Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that.
What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that?
It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig.
You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close.
4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor
It wouldn't be nearly as close today as it was seven months ago. But no, Life did not shit all over Mvp when they played in the finals of GSL4, you're absolutely right.
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