• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:00
CEST 02:00
KST 09:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon78Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?174Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? ASL22 General Discussion Broodwar Prediction Market
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group B [ASL22] Ro16 Group A Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8304 users

[Code S] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 1 2013 - Page 377

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 375 376 377 378 379 381 Next
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
June 01 2013 21:44 GMT
#7521
that result is a win for e-sports and for SC2.

and i am happy, my prediction was wrong.
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 21:51:15
June 01 2013 21:49 GMT
#7522
On June 02 2013 05:57 Dodgin wrote:
I took a screenshot of the peak viewership on twitch since I knew people would ask for it


[image loading]

I instinctively immediately clicked the FullScreen button to read it more easily


Also, people seem to be completely disregarding mental states in a GSL finals. You're down 0-3 in a bo7, how the fuck do you focus and convince yourself you can win not only 4 games, but in a row, against someone that just beat you 3 games in a row.. that shit's not easy.
Refer to my post.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 01 2013 21:55 GMT
#7523
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 01 2013 22:02 GMT
#7524
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
June 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#7525
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!


They say that about every GSL runner-up.
TheProphet_
Profile Joined May 2012
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 22:16:16
June 01 2013 22:15 GMT
#7526
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.

I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 01 2013 22:15 GMT
#7527
--- Nuked ---
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 22:19:42
June 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#7528
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!

Source? I find it hard to belive they'd say that about Bogus. XD

I mean, they have good knowledlge about the BW scene, I don't think they'd argue he's a better RTS player than Nada or Flash overall.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 01 2013 22:20 GMT
#7529
--- Nuked ---
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 22:36:50
June 01 2013 22:34 GMT
#7530
On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!


They say that about every GSL runner-up.

lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end

On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.

I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic.

no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name!

Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
June 01 2013 22:38 GMT
#7531
On June 02 2013 07:20 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:17 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!

Source? I find it hard to belive they'd say that about Bogus. XD

He did, I forget when though.

Artosis says a lot of things he probably regrets, doesn't he still have to swallow that sword because Nestea lost to San? :p

I hope that someone reminds him on his death bed, so he can choose a noble way to die.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 01 2013 22:43 GMT
#7532
On June 02 2013 07:17 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!

Source? I find it hard to belive they'd say that about Bogus. XD

I mean, they have good knowledlge about the BW scene, I don't think they'd argue he's a better RTS player than Nada or Flash overall.

They've been saying things like that throughout the whole tournament about Innovation. He's the Flash of SC2 they say! >.<
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Kcip
Profile Joined August 2010
25 Posts
June 01 2013 22:52 GMT
#7533
On June 02 2013 03:24 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 03:22 Sawofhackness wrote:



What were the total viewer numbers like?


On the GSL stream when I was watching broke 50k and on the OSL stream with doa i think they hit about 1700. That is just foreigners though. The studio it was in was completely filled with some standing and I dunno how the TV or Stream numbers in korea were. So probably one of their more successful events if judging by just those numbers alone since on east coast of USA it started at 2am O_O


There were probably around 500-600 people in studio. I was lucky enough to be in korea this month so i made it out to the finals. It definitely looks there are more people on the stream. They had two levels of seating, but I didnt see the balcony level. will try to post some pics when I get a chance.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
June 01 2013 22:55 GMT
#7534
Yeah I mean honestly innovation just made a costly mistake that last game I mean its partly luck and you can never be right all the time. Innovation lost because he did not adapt to the all ins soulkey was hitting him with this series was his to win and he was in the position to sweep soulkey.
TheProphet_
Profile Joined May 2012
51 Posts
June 01 2013 22:55 GMT
#7535
On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!


They say that about every GSL runner-up.

lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end

Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.

I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic.

no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name!

Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position.




That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago.

Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 22:58:38
June 01 2013 22:58 GMT
#7536
edit; goddamnit.

Well gj soulkey again.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
June 01 2013 23:08 GMT
#7537
Holy crap. I... I really didn't expect that. Well played by Soulkey.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#7538
On June 02 2013 07:55 TheProphet_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!


They say that about every GSL runner-up.

lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end

On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.

I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic.

no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name!

Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position.




That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago.

Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others.


On June 01 2013 18:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:36 Defacer wrote:
Innovation couldn't adapt to the roach baneling-all in, gambled on a practiced cheese, and had a brain fart in game 7.If he hadn't flown those 3 dropships into those mutas the game would have been completely different.

I still think Innovation might be the better player, but I think losing a 3-0 lead rattled him a bit. And you have to give Soulkey credit for hanging in there and not buckling under the pressure.


It's easy to say, after the fact. Soulkey mind gamed Innovation hard to bait those 3 Medivac. Soulkeys mutalisk were on the bottom right side of the map and it appeared that he was going straight for Innovations main base. Seeing Soulkeys mutalisk out of position, Innovation went for the 3 Medivac drop and didn't anticipate that Soulkeys mutalisk would be waiting there. It wasn't a brain fart at all, just a misread from being mind game.


GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 01 2013 23:46 GMT
#7539
On June 02 2013 07:17 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!

Source? I find it hard to belive they'd say that about Bogus. XD

I mean, they have good knowledlge about the BW scene, I don't think they'd argue he's a better RTS player than Nada or Flash overall.


Tasteless has said tons of times that Bogus has shown the best play he's ever seen in an RTS game. He even said that the only player who even comes close was Flash in Brood War.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
June 01 2013 23:53 GMT
#7540
On June 02 2013 08:46 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 07:17 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:
On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!

That's you being a troll, right?

It was said by Tastosis, must be true!

Source? I find it hard to belive they'd say that about Bogus. XD

I mean, they have good knowledlge about the BW scene, I don't think they'd argue he's a better RTS player than Nada or Flash overall.


Tasteless has said tons of times that Bogus has shown the best play he's ever seen in an RTS game. He even said that the only player who even comes close was Flash in Brood War.


lol must be amnesia. Flash, Savior (at one period in time), Nada, Bisu, Jaedong, need I say more?
Prev 1 375 376 377 378 379 381 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 694
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 9159
GuemChi 1371
Artosis 1324
Dewaltoss 81
NaDa 30
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm150
League of Legends
Doublelift4468
JimRising 528
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1587
minikerr54
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King152
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu360
Other Games
summit1g16957
Liquid`RaSZi1935
Tasteless589
XaKoH 197
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2322
StarCraft 2
StarCraft2201
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 955
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm594
Other Games
BasetradeTV62
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH336
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• EnkiAlexander 84
• Azhi_Dahaki31
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22271
Other Games
• Shiphtur163
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
10h
Light vs JyJ
Soulkey vs hero
WardiTV Weekly
11h
Monday Night Weeklies
16h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 10h
Snow vs Shinee
Shine vs EffOrt
GSL
1d 11h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL
6 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
6 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
7 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.